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    Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 4:26pm
Hi everyone - I could use some advice.

I am currently running a system with the following key specs:

* Intel Core 2 Extreme Q6850 3GHz (overclocked to 3.6GHz)
* 2x Nvidia GeForce 8800 Ultra (in SLI)
* 2GB RAM
* Vista 32-bit
* 10k RPM system/pagefile drive
* 7200 RPM storage/application drive

I would like to upgrade to something that's going to give me appreciably better performance at 1920x1200 resolution in most modern FPS games (Modern Warfare 2, L4D2, Borderlands, Bioshock 2, etc.) though I'm not a Crysis guy.  I also play a decent amount of World of Warcraft and other MMOs.

I already have the monitor, keyboard, and mouse.  I would prefer an optical drive that's capable of burning CDs and DVDs but do not need any Blu-ray.  I don't need any wireless networking or Bluetooth support.  I am not religious about my video card brand, I've owned nvidia and ATI both when they were good.   I'd consider liquid cooling but prefer air-cooled systems.  Case size and noise are no object to me.

I am completely out of the loop re:hardware and I'm just starting to do the research, so to the extent folks can explain their choices, I would be grateful.  My main objectives would be to have significantly better overall gaming performance in 1920x1200 than my current system, and I'd prefer for no single aspect of performance to be any worse than I already have.

I know I haven't given a budget for this yet, but I'm trying to understand where the break points are - that is, what would be the big performance differences between, say, $2k vs. $5k?  In other words, what kind of differences could I expect in 1920x1200 on a $2k system vs. a $5k system?  What is a realistic budget for being able to play all of the games listed above at 50+ FPS at highest detail settings (or possibly highest detail but with somewhat lowered AA) @ 1920x1200?
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  Quote Kyu Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 4:31pm
5K SYSTEM Alittle cheaper if you change the chasis 
Saved Ticket Number: 376459
Chassis Model: Digital Storm HailStorm (Black OPS Edition)
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (Quad Core)
Motherboard: EVGA X58 Classified 3X SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports Triple SLI or CrossFire)
System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1600MHz Mushkin Enhanced Silverline Series
Power Supply: 1000W Corsair (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible)
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (128GB Solid State (By: Corsair) (Model: CMFSSD-128GBG2D)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 1x (1.5TB Seagate Barracuda (7200 RPM) (32MB Cache) (SATA) (Extreme Speed)
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 22x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 22x / CD-Writer 48x)
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 2x CrossFire Dual (ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 6: Sub-Zero LCS Dual Loop: CPU & Dual SLI/CrossFire Video Cards
H20 Tube Color:White Tubing with High-Performance Fluid (UV Lighting Reactive)
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (UV) (Creates Glowing Effect for H20 Tubes)
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: FREE: Stage 1: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz (Requires Air Cooling Upgrade)
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate (64-Bit Edition)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Benchmarking: - No Thanks
Install/Test Game: FREE: Please include a free copy of a hot-selling game
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-10 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty



Edited by Kyu - 22 Jan 2010 at 4:37pm
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  Quote Kyu Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 4:37pm

alittle over 2k after promotion

Saved Ticket Number: 376460
Chassis Model: Cooler Master HAF 932 (Black OPS Edition)
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (Quad Core)
Motherboard: EVGA X58 LE Edition SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports SLI or CrossFire)
System Memory: 3GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 1000W Corsair (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible)
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (500GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 22x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 1x ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 1: Noctua Dual 120mm Fans High Performance Cooler (Compatible With ONLY i7 Processors)
H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Blue)
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: FREE: Stage 1: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz (Requires Air Cooling Upgrade)
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-Bit Edition)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Benchmarking: - No Thanks
Install/Test Game: FREE: Please include a free copy of a hot-selling game
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: FREE: Digital Storm T-Shirt - Black (Large)
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-10 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty

 
it's good enough now, and plenty of room to upgrade later
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  Quote Stonevulture Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 4:51pm
So, what should I expect to be the performance difference between these two systems?  It looks like the difference between the $2k system and the $5k system are:

* 6GB vs. 3GB RAM
* SSD for OS and 7200 RPM for data vs. single 7200 RPM disk
* 1x5870 vs. 2x5870 in Crossfire
* air vs. liquid cooling

For me to decide if those upgrades are worth an extra ~$3k, I'd like to get some opinions on how they would impact performance @ 1920x1200.  Would the $5k machine get significantly better frame rates and/or be able to run at higher detail and/or with higher levels of antialiasing?  Does 2x5870s even make sense at 1920x1200 or would I be under-utilizing the second card?
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  Quote Kyu Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 5:00pm

Honestly around 3k is the sweet spot

If I had 5k but was wondering either 2k vs 5k
I'd go for the middle and spend 3k
 
Saved Ticket Number: 376471
 
Chassis Model: Cooler Master HAF 932 (Black OPS Edition)
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (Quad Core)
Motherboard: EVGA X58 LE Edition SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports SLI or CrossFire)
System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 1000W Corsair (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible)
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (300GB Western Digital VelociRaptor (10K RPM) (16MB Cache) (Extreme Speed)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 1x (1.5TB Seagate Barracuda (7200 RPM) (32MB Cache) (SATA) (Extreme Speed)
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 22x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 22x / CD-Writer 48x)
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 1x ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 1: Noctua Dual 120mm Fans High Performance Cooler (Compatible With ONLY i7 Processors)
H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Blue)
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: FREE: Stage 1: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz (Requires Air Cooling Upgrade)
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional (64-Bit Edition)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Benchmarking: - No Thanks
Install/Test Game: FREE: Please include a free copy of a hot-selling game
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: FREE: Digital Storm T-Shirt - Black (Large)
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-10 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty

 
if you need to upgrade, just add extra video/memory and you're back to being set.
chasis has enough room for any reasonable type of cooling solution you want.
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  Quote Kyu Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 5:01pm
probably around 2.8k if you buy it right now with the promotion going on
 
Originally posted by Stonevulture

So, what should I expect to be the performance difference between these two systems?  It looks like the difference between the $2k system and the $5k system are:

* 6GB vs. 3GB RAM
* SSD for OS and 7200 RPM for data vs. single 7200 RPM disk
* 1x5870 vs. 2x5870 in Crossfire
* air vs. liquid cooling
 
gah lol, long story short (sleepy at work and its friday)
with the 5k rig you can probably OC much much higher for better FPS and also much faster load timings on apps. over all the pc speed is increased much higher.
 
but like i said the sweet spot is about 3k.
it's uber fast gaming rig, and plenty of room to upgrade for future.even if you change your monitor to a 30" 2560x1600 you'll still be alright (ofcourse on some games if you want completely maxed graphics you have to add another 5870)
point is, the 3k mark is fast gaming rig and also future proof.
how ever ! fermi just being around the corner and not to mention CM is coming out with a new improved HAF series of chasis, and also i7 920 is being replaced with a i7 930.
waiting may not be a bad idea, but then again DS promotions are  never lasting either.
 
if you see the new upcoming Q1 2010 pc wear worth waiting for, then I suppose.
but you'll probably spend alittle more than 3k new stuff is always more expensive.


Edited by Kyu - 22 Jan 2010 at 5:12pm
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 5:53pm
this is all you need for the games you named, there is no need for 2 x 5870, its overkill for no reason, 1 x 5870 will give 50 to 60 fps in those games and above that you will not notice the difference:

Here you go Ticket# 376490 --- Price: $2355 (To see this build click here) Price after current promotion $2355

Copy of Specifications:
Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Cooler Master HAF 932
Exterior Finish: - Not Available
Trim Accents: - Not Available
Processor: Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (Quad Core)
Motherboard: EVGA X58 3X SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports Triple SLI or CrossFire)
System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 1000W Corsair (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible)
Expansion Bay: - Not Available
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (500GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
Set 1 Raid Options: - Not Available
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 22x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 1x ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 1: Noctua Dual 120mm Fans High Performance Cooler (Compatible With ONLY i7 Processors)
H20 Tube Color:- Not Available
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Red)
Enhancements: - Not Available
Chassis Mods: - Not Available
Noise Reduction: - Not Available
Boost Processor: FREE: Stage 1: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz (Requires Air Cooling Upgrade)
Boost Video Card: - Not Available
Boost Memory: - Not Available
Boost OS: - Not Available
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional (64-Bit Edition)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Virus Protection: - Not Available
Office: - Not Available
Benchmarking: - Not Available
Install/Test Game: FREE: Please include a free copy of a hot-selling game
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: FREE: Digital Storm T-Shirt - Black (Large)
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-10 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty

if you want you can add a faster drive, veloci or ssd, ssd will be the fastest and the difference is in load times, faster drive will load apps/games/os faster.

but if fps you will not notice the difference between 2 x 5870 and 1 x 5870 or ssd vs HDD.

as far as future proof I couldn't disagree more, I have no reason to put an extra gpu in my system to draw power and put out heat when I don't need it at all, just so if I ever upgrade I have enough gpu, instead I would go with one gpu and then when I upgrade the monitor I will decide if I want to go with a then new gpu which should be more powerful or add a second 5870 for much cheaper at that time.

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  Quote Kyu Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 6:09pm
amen preach on brotha !
 
and again, I'd go velociraptor then add a huge backup storage drive to that config.
cause the games you want all have loading levels.
even though borderlands loading isn't as bad
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 6:27pm
well my build is just the base to keep cost down, if he can do so, I would recommend a ssd and as you said a second larger drive for file storage as hdd2:

HDD1 = os/apps/games

HDD2 = media/personal/work file storage

Don't fill up your HDD1 more then 50%, if think you will need more room for it then pick a bigger one.
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  Quote Kyu Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 6:37pm
havn't kept up to date with SSD's
is TRIM factor a issue ? or does all support TRIM now
yes yes i know, google is a man of all answers
but then theres DST4ME who is wiser imo lol
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 6:43pm
lol ok now don't build me up too high, I will just fall further

yes trim is a factor, make less work to restore the ssd's performance, the once offered here support trim from what I understand. (ocz,corsair,intel)
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  Quote Kyu Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Jan 2010 at 6:46pm
Originally posted by DST4ME

lol ok now don't build me up too high, I will just fall further

yes trim is a factor, make less work to restore the ssd's performance, the once offered here support trim from what I understand. (ocz,corsair,intel)
 
ah awsome, good to know
then yeah I'd go with SSD as well.
Velociraptors create more heat and uses more power.. unless lately they came out revised and better.
 
ssd + quiet/less heat/faster/ - cost/cap
HDD + cost/cap    -speed/heat/power
 
just trying to help the guy pick which one, someone correct me if I'm wrong on the pro' and con's. I may be well outdated
   
 
and lol not that I'm building ya up. but you tell it how it is, which is what everyone looks for in an answer.
 
with google, i get stuck with alot of threads and posts that just argue and end up off into a flaming war. reviews I dont really trust reviews sometimes, they tell different stories


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its simple if you can afford it then go ssd if not then veloci, if not the regular HDD.
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@Kyu,
 
     Ermm
 
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  Quote Newbieevgaati Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Jan 2010 at 8:33am
@DST4ME,
 
     Sir,  Feb Max PC.  Is using your stuff.  SSD and LCD screen LCD is page 80.
Its too early for me to find the page for the SSD.  Eyes are still half asleep... Sir.
 
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what is this sir business? drop it
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@DST4ME,
 
   Eye, eye Sir.
    
 Look's like Alex, givin it to the customer in the end....lol
 
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   The spankers are doing it in unison on my computer?
 
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