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Art Vandelay
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Topic: Looking for some configuration advicePosted: 09 Sep 2008 at 10:38am |
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Good morning, all. I have survived nearly 7 years with my current computer and find it time to finally upgrade. It was top of the line back then and has served me well (it's still working and will go to my daughter), but I really am missing out on some amazing games that have come out recently.
Anyway, I've put together a configuration that I would like some feedback on. I really don't want to deal with liquid cooling if at all possible, so I'm wondering if what I've configured would be handled by the air flow system 2. I'm in the basement where it is cool (and dry), and I don't plan to overclock.
Chassis: Cooler Master Cosmos S Edition
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Power Supply: 1000W Corsair HX (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 2.83GHz (1333MHz FSB) (12MB Cache) Motherboard: Asus P5E3 Premium WiFi-AP (Intel X48 Chipset) (Supports CrossFire) System Memory: 4GB DDR3 Corsair at 1333MHz Card Reader: - No Thanks Hard Drive 1: 300GB Western Digital VelociRaptor (10K RPM) (16MB Cache) (Extreme Speed) Hard Drive 2: 320GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA) Raid Option: - No Thanks Hard Drive 3: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x) (LightScribe Edition) Optical Drive 2: DVD-ROM/CD-ROM (DVD Reader 16x / CD Reader 40x) Wireless Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: ATI Radeon HD 4870X2 2GB TV Tuner: - No Thanks Sound Card: Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer Extreme Cooling: Air Cooled Stage 2 (Silent Artic Cooling Heat-sink Upgrade (Copper Heatpipes) Internal Lighting: Blizzard Internal Lighting (Blue Edition) (Cold Cathode Tubes) Modifications: - No Thanks Boost Processor: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my processor Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate (64-Bit Edition) (For Enthusiasts) Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based) Protection: - No Thanks Office: - No Thanks Benchmarking: - No Thanks Install/Test Game: - No Thanks LCD Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks External Storage: - No Thanks Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty I've gone back and forth between the GTX 280 and the 4870x2 and settled on the ATI, but I really don't think I could go wrong with either one. Thanks for any advice.
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Kelly
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Posted: 09 Sep 2008 at 1:04pm |
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This is a ddr3 board. This is a very nice setup with great advice from a former (and missed!) customer!
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Art Vandelay
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Posted: 09 Sep 2008 at 1:20pm |
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I actually want my OS on my Velociraptor. My job allows me to work from home quite a bit, so I'll be accessing my OS and MS Office nearly as much as I game. And, with 300 GB, it is big enough to house both. The 2nd hard drive will hold music, photos, docs, etc.
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DST4ME
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Posted: 09 Sep 2008 at 2:28pm |
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were is your ticked number?
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Art Vandelay
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Posted: 09 Sep 2008 at 2:55pm |
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DST4ME
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Posted: 09 Sep 2008 at 3:13pm |
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here you go $3689
Chassis: Digital Storm 850Si Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Power Supply: 1000W Corsair HX (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 2.83GHz (1333MHz FSB) (12MB Cache) Motherboard: Asus P5E3 Premium WiFi-AP (Intel X48 Chipset) (Supports CrossFire) System Memory: 4GB DDR3 Corsair at 1333MHz Card Reader: - No Thanks Hard Drive 1: 300GB Western Digital VelociRaptor (10K RPM) (16MB Cache) (Extreme Speed) Hard Drive 2: 500GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA) Raid Option: - No Thanks Hard Drive 3: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x) (LightScribe Edition) Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks Wireless Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: ATI Radeon HD 4870X2 2GB TV Tuner: - No Thanks Sound Card: Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer Extreme Cooling: Air Cooled Stage 3 WindTunnel (Copper Heatpipe Heatsink & Additional Case Fans) Internal Lighting: Blizzard Internal Lighting (Blue Edition) (Cold Cathode Tubes) Modifications: - No Thanks Boost Processor: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my processor Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate (64-Bit Edition) (For Enthusiasts) Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based) Protection: - No Thanks Office: - No Thanks Benchmarking: - No Thanks Install/Test Game: - No Thanks LCD Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks External Storage: - No Thanks Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty I can't believe you are not going for liquid cooling and OC for that price and for buying here
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Art Vandelay
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Posted: 09 Sep 2008 at 3:33pm |
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Why can't you believe I'm not going for liquid cooling? I don't want to deal with the potential issues on liquid cooling and have no need for OC. And, liquid cooling is needed when you OC. Therefore, liquid cooling would be overkill in my opinion for the system that I want to build.
I'm really looking for advice on if there any conflicts in my build and whether it can support air cooling. I'm not looking for changes such as removing a DVD drive, etc. Sorry - I should have clarified that earlier.
As for buying here, I'm still undecided (I've narrowed it down to 2 places). Price isn't a major issue - reliability and support are. And, this place has that; thus my decision to check it out.
Thanks to everyone for their input.
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DST4ME
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Posted: 09 Sep 2008 at 4:23pm |
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OK then let me explain.
if I told you for $45 you can get a qx9780 3.4GHz which is going to be much faster then your current q9550 2.8GHz, would you get it? keep in mind that a qx9770 3.2GHz would cost you $1200 and its at 3.2GHz not 3.4GHz. now cosmos s is a great case, but for air cooling you can save the money and go with 850si which another great case. Unless you specifically want cosmos s for your own reasons then never mind. that why I changed your case. change your HDD cause for $22 more you could get 200GB more. that why I changed your HDD to 500GB upgraded one of your DVD drives to lightscribe cause its just a great feature to have. removed your second DVD cause most cases there is no use for 2 DVD drives, I have 2 myself what a waste. but again if you have a need for 2 then never mind.
upped your air cooling from stage 2 to stage 3 cause you got 2 ATI cards in there and cool air is your friend. those where the reasons behind my changes, think about them and if they don't apply then discard
as for your own build/ticket, there are no problems, everything looks good, I would raise the warranty to 4 years
hope that helps. Edited by DST4ME - 09 Sep 2008 at 4:24pm |
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Art Vandelay
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Posted: 09 Sep 2008 at 5:14pm |
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Thanks for the additional information - definitely something to think about.
So, you're saying with the processor you picked and the 850i, I can still get by with air cooling? Can it work with stage 2? I ask because it seems from the photo gallery that stage 3 is much nosier. I just have the one 4780x2; is stage 2 still sufficient for that? I chose the Cooler Master case for really 2 reasons - it's big enough if I ever want to expand/upgrade, and it looks sharp.
But, other than that, I'm not dead set against switching.I go back and forth on the 2nd DVD - I have 2 of them currently (well one is CD only - 7 years ago, DVDs were just coming out). My original configuration did have Lightscribe on one of them. For only an additional $40ish dollars, a second isn't that big of a deal, but I agree, it seems like a waste. Maybe I'll take the leap and make the second one a Blu Ray.
As for the HDD, I'm pretty flexible on the second date one. I really want the Velociraptor for my OS and games. The second, as long as it's at least 250 GB, should be sufficient for my needs.
Thanks again for the additional info. Man, this might take longer than I expected to make a final decision.
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DST4ME
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Posted: 09 Sep 2008 at 5:44pm |
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Ok, lets see, you have choosen 2 ati cards, (4780 x 2) = 2 cards at a total of 2GB of ram (1GB each card) so you looking at some heat.
As for cosmos s, to be honest I'm just letting you know that the 850si will do just fine for air cooling,but I love comos s myself and I would get comsos s if I was in your shoes, for the same exact reasons you have choosen it. 2 dvd drives, its your money, you do what ever you think will be fine for you, we are just advising what things you can cut if you like
2nd HDD, I only upgraded that because 22 dollars for 200GB is a steal, but again what ever you like
you never answered this question of mine: if I told you for $45 you can get a qx9780 3.4GHz which is going to be much faster then your current q9550 2.8GHz, would you get it? keep in mind that a qx9770 3.2GHz would cost you $1200 and its at 3.2GHz not 3.4GHz. |
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Art Vandelay
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Posted: 09 Sep 2008 at 5:48pm |
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My answer would be:
"what's the catch"
Assuming you're not talking about cutting out other components to make up for the huge price increase it actually shows on the website, I don't see how you can get that processor for $45 more.
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Posted: 09 Sep 2008 at 5:57pm |
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-takes a guess- More processing power, less likely for the processor to be a bottleneck when both that and the ATI card start working on your games?
(Since FPS can also be affected if your processor is not up to it) Edited by Axel Daemon - 09 Sep 2008 at 5:57pm |
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DST4ME
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Posted: 09 Sep 2008 at 6:02pm |
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no catch simple, you can OC your chip to around 3.2 with air and further with liquid 3.4 or we have seen 3.8 in some cases.
that is the point of OC, its safe, under warranty and with stage 3 cooling its an extra $45 for them to set your OC for you, remember its under warranty
your price right now with your setup with stage 3 cooling is 3717(PC seed is 2.8) just add stage 3 cooling and OC and it comes to 3762(PC speed would be around 3.2) now do you really need that sound card? integrated one is pretty good. if you drop the sound card you can go with liquid cooling drop one DVD drive, drop sound card, add liquid cooling price is 3811 (PC speed between 3.4 to 3.8) those are something to thing about. it will be a pain to upgrade to liquid cooling later but if you have it, upgrading sky is the limit, just thing what you could do next year with qx9770 chip(which is gonna be much cheaper)with liquid cooling, if you got the liquid cooling then all you need to upgrade next year is the chip. ask anybody when comes between sound card or PC speed (OC) its the PC speed. again just somethings to think about. I would even go as far as getting a q9450 with liquid cooling now cause next year I would be putting in a qx9770 and with liquid cooling you can imagine what speed you are gonna be getting. so think long and hard, once they build it, its gonna cost a lot more to put in water cooling. Edited by DST4ME - 09 Sep 2008 at 6:03pm |
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Art Vandelay
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Posted: 09 Sep 2008 at 6:11pm |
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Gotcha...but you're making it sound like the processor I chose is a chump that can't handle anything but Peggle. I think it's pretty good, and since I'm obviously not going to "top end nothing beats it" build, isn't it sufficient for what I am looking for? However, if I can overclock and stick with air cooled, I may explore it. If you haven't guessed it by now, I really, really do not want liquid cooling. :) Nothing I've read and have been told have convinced me it's the right choice for what I'm looking for.
As for the sound card, that is probably the one component I have very little knowledge of. My speakers will be 5.1 and I will occassionally view movies on it, as well as listen to music. Can onboard sound handle that? If so, what is the difference in the actual sound. If it can and it's neglible, then removing that is definitely worth thinking about.
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Posted: 09 Sep 2008 at 6:19pm |
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The onboard sound is decent these days if you are just using cheap pc speakers. Personally, integrated audio is still horrible if you listen through quality headphones though.
If I need to listen thru headphones, I pull out my cheap in-ear sonys that I use for my *cringe*iPod. I would go for the Razer Baraccuda over the creative cards. It has superior sound and unless you're willing to spend big by going with the top audio choice of ASUS D2X, It's a no brainer IMO. I'm not a pc geek, but I am an audiophile and ex-reviewer of high end audio products. A final note: Creative still has driver issues with their XFi support. P.S. I agree with the others that you will be happy if you get an OC on your particular CPU and running with stage 3 cooling. Edited by widdlecat - 09 Sep 2008 at 6:21pm |
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DST4ME
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Posted: 09 Sep 2008 at 6:22pm |
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Art, widdlecat is our sound expert if you will, you can wait for her or call DS to make sure the integrated sound will satisfy what you have.
OK your processor is great, but you are not taking advantage of its full capabilities, to do so you need to over clock. you can't achieve the speed/stability with fans that a liquid cooling can deliver. not to mention liquid cooling is very quiet. the thing to consider here art is this: do want a PC that has a speed is 2.8 for $3717 or do want a PC that has a speed of 3.4 or higher for $80 more? the difference is that you gain speed but lose one DVD drive and sound card. I'm pretty sure the sound card and DVD are not a necessity, and your money is better spent on a faster/more quiet PC then a needless DVD drive and possibly needless sound card. what resolution is the monitor you are running? Edited by DST4ME - 09 Sep 2008 at 6:23pm |
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Art Vandelay
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Posted: 09 Sep 2008 at 6:34pm |
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I pretty sure my monitor will be a 26", but no smaller than 24"
Your turn - you haven't answered one of my questions:
So, you're saying with the processor you picked and the 850i, I can still get by with air cooling? Can it work with stage 2? I ask because it seems from the photo gallery that stage 3 is much nosier. I just have the one 4780x2; is stage 2 still sufficient for that?
I understand it's the same processor, just overclocked. Stage 3 cooling seems much more nosy than stage 2. Can it sufficiently cool this rig at stage 2 if I OC my processor (you mention to 3.2)?
Finally, money isn't really an issue (to a point anyway, I don't want to spend more than $4000). The savings from removing a DVD, sound card, etc. doesn't help make my decision. I'm looking for the right build for me, and I'm trying to find the best setup I can get without liquid cooling. That being said, I'm not 100% against liquid cooling, I just really, really want to avoid it if possible. :)
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Posted: 09 Sep 2008 at 6:50pm |
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I think I did answer that question and pointed out to you that have picked 2 graphic cards and I would say stage 3 is a better idea, if you want less noise and better cooling, liquid is the way to go. But I'm not sure how stage 2 cooling is gonna go with 2 4780 cards, and because of that I don't think you will see much OC for stage 2 and those 2 cards combined.
you won't get 3.2 from stage 2 cooling, you will need better cooling to get that. however details, DS would know better. I don't want you to think that I'm pushing liquid cooling on you. but if you want to upgrade and be able to achieve maximum speeds then you can't do it without liquid cooling, (think down the road when you want to upgrade) liquid cooling is very quiet comparing to fans. my arguments for liquid cooling with anybody is: faster/more stable speeds, more quite PC, upgradability. my advise is money better spent at $3800 with water cooling due to reasons above. now you pick what you think is right for you, but with your graphic card choice you are going to be better off with stage 3 cooling, not sure how stage 2 will do for you. I asked for your monitor to see if you needed 2 gpu-s (graphic cards)and yes you do. so 2 gpu-s = stage 3 cooling best choice. |
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Posted: 09 Sep 2008 at 6:57pm |
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Air cooling isn't very loud unless you're maxing out the fans at 100%. To be honest, the only thing I hear from my computer is my graphics card because I have the fan at 100%. It's not overlocked, but it still gets really hot. I would definitely recommend getting liquid cooling, it's quiet, and better yet... It cools. Air cooling is only as cool as the room temperature. Leaks are very rare, and even if it did somehow, it's a non conductive fluid, so no damage will be done to the system. If you do get air cooling, I highly suggest stage three. With two cards, you'll need it. They will run extremely hot, which in return will heat up everything else in your computer. Overclocking is what these chips were made for. Everything runs faster on the computer, boots faster, loads games faster, opens folders and programs faster, etc.
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Art Vandelay
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Posted: 09 Sep 2008 at 9:47pm |
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OK, so if I were to go with liquid cooling, which option should I choose? Do I need to cool everything, the CPU, the GPU? It gets very expensive and can quickly put me over my limit - though I said $4000 is max, I certainly don't want to spend that much.
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Posted: 09 Sep 2008 at 9:50pm |
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I would only do the CPU with the liquid cooling.
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Posted: 09 Sep 2008 at 10:00pm |
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you want:
Extreme Cooling: Liquid Chilled FrostBite CPU Only |
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Art Vandelay
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Posted: 09 Sep 2008 at 10:05pm |
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OK, and only OC the processor, correct?
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Posted: 09 Sep 2008 at 10:06pm |
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pick that option art and its only the cpu, yes.
Extreme Cooling: Liquid Chilled FrostBite CPU Only |
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