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    Posted: 30 May 2009 at 6:54pm

Hi,  I am looking to spend around 4K on a computer and was wondering what to get.  I would do some word and excel type stuff but it would be mostly for gaming.  I would like to get the Samsung 24inch monitor from here so i can have the 5 year warrenty.  I don't know the res on it?  Any help would be much appreciated. 

Oh yeah one more thing.  Is the Killer Xeno card worth getting?  I want to play WOW and COD and Diablo 3 if it ever comes out.  So i was wondering if that card would make much of a difference with a cable modem.   Again thanks for your help. 
 
This is what i was looking at.  But you guys know more than i do.  Is this overkill?
 
http://www.digitalstormonline.com/comploadsaved.asp?id=288703
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  Quote Zurginator Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 30 May 2009 at 7:05pm
Switched some stuff around, I'll leave the networking card for now.

Ticket number: 288799

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Copy of Specifications:
Chassis Model: Cooler Master HAF 932
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (Quad Core)
Motherboard: EVGA X58 3X SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports Triple SLI or CrossFire)
System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1333MHz Mushkin (Highly Recommended) (Digital Storm Certified)
Power Supply: 1000W Corsair HX (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition)
Card Reader: Internal Digital Media Card Reader (Black)
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 2x (60GB Solid State (By: OCZ) Vertex Series (Model: OCZSSD2-1VTX60G)
Set 1 Raid Options: Configure HDD Set 1 to a Raid 0 Config - Stripe Performance (Requires Two HDDs)
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 1x (500GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x) (LightScribe Edition)
Optical Drive 2: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x)
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 2x SLI Dual (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 275 896MB (Includes PhysX Technology)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 3: High-Performance Liquid Chilled FrostBite System For CPU
Liquid Color:Blue: Non-conductive High-Performance Fluid (Requires H20: Stage 3 Cooling Package)
Chassis Airflow: Upgrade Chassis With LED Performance Fans (Blue)
Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Blue)
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Stage 1: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz (Requires Air Cooling Upgrade)
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: Memory Fan Kit Only (Does not include memory overclocking service)
Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64-Bit Edition)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Benchmarking: - No Thanks
Install/Test Game: - No Thanks
LCD Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-10 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: 5 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty (Highly Recommended)
 
Ticket Number: 288806
 
 The Network card is a total waste of cash, 2x 275's will equal the 295 for $20 less, and the OP wanted 120GB originally so 2x 60 would be better.  If you are worried about the PCI-E slots then spend an extra $200 for the classified.   As for the accessories you are better off to order the from the Egg and save some money.  There are plenty of cheaper 24 inchers out there. 


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  Quote Mikey14 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 30 May 2009 at 7:54pm

Also, remember  to put in a special request for a blue front fan for the HAF otherwise they will clash.  (Unless thats what you're going for).  Other then that you are good to go.  Ermm



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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 30 May 2009 at 8:11pm
time out, first I don't think the 5 year warranty covers the monitor, but I could be wrong, look in to that and find out which it is, and then please let us know also.

second your budget includes the monitor price also?

answer being yes then:

here you go Ticket# 288813 --- Price: $4171 (To see this build click here) Price after current promotion $3971

Copy of Specifications:
Chassis Model: Cooler Master HAF 932
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (Quad Core)
Motherboard: EVGA X58 3X SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports Triple SLI or CrossFire)
System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1333MHz Mushkin (Highly Recommended) (Digital Storm Certified)
Power Supply: 1000W Corsair HX (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition)
Card Reader: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (120GB Solid State (By: OCZ) Vertex Series (Model: OCZSSD2-1VTX120G)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 1x (500GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x) (LightScribe Edition)
Optical Drive 2: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x)
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 2x SLI Dual (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 275 896MB (Includes PhysX Technology)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 3: High-Performance Liquid Chilled FrostBite System For CPU
Liquid Color:UV Redish Pink: Medium Glowing Non-conductive Fluid (Requires H20: Stage 3 & UV Lighting)
Chassis Airflow: Upgrade Chassis With LED Performance Fans (Red)
Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (UV) (Creates Glowing Effect For H20: Stage 3 UV Fluid)
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Stage 1: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz (Requires Air Cooling Upgrade)
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: Memory Fan Kit Only (Does not include memory overclocking service)
Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64-Bit Edition)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Benchmarking: - No Thanks
Install/Test Game: - No Thanks
LCD Display: Samsung 24 inch (Widescreen) (Black) (High-Performance Gaming Display)
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-10 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: 5 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty (Highly Recommended)

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  Quote B@d//j0ke Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 30 May 2009 at 8:14pm
http://www.digitalstormonline.com/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=6813
You be the judge on the Xeno card
 
But I think if that money could be better spent on something more impotent then I wouldn't even consider it.
 
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its a waste of money
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Whats the point of two disk drives?
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  Quote B@d//j0ke Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 30 May 2009 at 9:37pm
Not if you need it DST. For a cable modem then yes it is probably is a waist of money. The person who wrote the review even said if you have very low ping then its worth considering.
So for you it may be. But we have no idea what kind of ping he has, so it is not very fair to declare it a waist.
 
That having been said if you are already fine with you're online game play and ping then don't even consider it.  
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  Quote Vipersneak Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 30 May 2009 at 10:21pm
#288839  Less than you want to spend though :P
 
Chassis Model: Cooler Master HAF 932
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (Quad Core)
Motherboard: EVGA X58 Classified 3X SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports Triple SLI or CrossFire)
System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1333MHz Mushkin (Highly Recommended) (Digital Storm Certified)
Power Supply: 1200W PC Power & Cooling (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) (Recommended)
Card Reader: Internal Digital Media Card Reader (Black)
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (150GB Western Digital VelociRaptor (10K RPM) (16MB Cache) (SATA) (Extreme Speed)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 1x (500GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x) (LightScribe Edition)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 2x SLI Dual (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 275 896MB (Includes PhysX Technology)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 3: High-Performance Liquid Chilled FrostBite System For CPU
Liquid Color:Blue: Non-conductive High-Performance Fluid (Requires H20: Stage 3 Cooling Package)
Chassis Airflow: Upgrade Chassis With LED Performance Fans (Blue)
Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Blue)
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Stage 1: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz (Requires Air Cooling Upgrade)
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: Memory Fan Kit Only (Does not include memory overclocking service)
Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64-Bit Edition)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Benchmarking: - No Thanks
Install/Test Game: - No Thanks
LCD Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-10 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: 5 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty (Highly Recommended)

 
No need for a 940 when a 920 can give you the same performance in games.
 
I would spend the extra money on the Classified MB for the extra expansion room and the fact that its a better built board (higher quality components).  No performance gain though.
 
For you performance, power, and expansion seem to be most important.
1200 Watt PSU with 1 12v rail may be worth the extra money since you are saving in other places with this config.  But nothing wrong with the Corsair 1000 if you want to save money there.
 
150 GB 10k Vel Raptor now while the SSD's are still too expensive.  Again, SSD not needed for those games.
 
No reason for a 2nd DVD drive.
 
If you have cable internet with high speeds already, no reason for network card upgrade.
 
I would buy the keyboard, mouse, and monitor elsewhere.  Gaming keyboard G11 or G15.  Several different excellent gaming mice out there.  Monitors are cheaper elsewhere. In fact, for a monitor I wouldn't have it shipped.  Go to a local store so you can inspect it and bring it home yourself.  Nothing worse than getting a monitor shipped to you with dead pixels.  They are not much more expensive at Best Buy.  If not, Newegg has good prices.
 
Personally, I would go with Dominator GT memory, but no way I could convince anyone that the extra 10 fps is worth it.  Depends if you want to squeeze out every last performance boost you can regardless of cost.  For you though, the 1333 Mushkin should be fine.
 
Colors are up to you of course.  I havn't seen blue/red yet.  But might actually look cool.
 
[email protected] has a good point about the network card.  If you do have problems with your cable connection and ping, you may want to consider that card based on recent reviews.  But honestly, I don't see the need if you have good cable internet.
 
DST is correct that if you did not go with the Frostbite, the air cooling heat sinks they have here are two of the best on the market.
 
 


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@ [email protected]//j0ke, 1. you are going with one person's review, 2 the same persons said if you have money to burn then get the card.

@Vipersneak, there is no extra 10 fps from any ram not sure where you got that from. SSD help with load times on a 4K system you would think one would like their apps and games perform to their best.

your setup of dual sli 275 and 1200w PSU is a waste of this persons money.

SSDs are great for games due to their .1ms seektime which helps the game alot.

classified is for OC enthusiast or people who have use for many PCI slots. it also makes one have to use the 1600MHz ram, for this user and his needs this is not a good build IMO.
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This is true but it might be worth noting that I am not suggesting he grab a xeno card. I myself said there are better things to spend the money on. However if he had everything else he needed and is having ping related problems then it is worth "Considering" I should have made that more clear.
 
And I don't think Vipersneak was being literal. I believe his point was simply that there is not alot of gain for the extra cash. And wasn't speaking benchmark data in any way.
 
 
Also keep in mind a SSD will NOT improve FPS in games, it simply reduces the time it takes to load information from your hard drive. Thus dramatically improves load times. But not frame rate. I think that should be made more clear. If the person is fine with there load times in games and is more focused on FPS then a SSD wont mater to them. 
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I never speak benchmark data at all, I only care about real world use.

I never said SSD improve fps, where did I say that? I said
SSD help with load times on a 4K system you would think one would like their apps and games perform to their best.
that was in regard to loading. also when playing and your games go to grab resources, having only a .1 ms seektime helps it find the next resources better, but yes it does not help fps, but it does help everything else, when he goes to read/write, copy, save, scan etc, etc. the SSD will save him huge time, so what I was saying it that for 4K you figure I have to wait less time then the guy with the $2500 machine.

as for money wise, his build is only $100 less then mine and mine has less waste of money and you wait less time for your apps/games to load/save, and anything else he does like when scans his PC for viruses or searching and etc, just basic computer use, just because you are a gamer it doesn't mean you won't use it for its basic use. (surf, read, write, copy, scan, search, save, etc)

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Wow thanks guys for all that info!!!  About the network card, i haven't played a game online in years so i don't know how my ping is.  I don't have a problem surfing the internet with it.  I do have some other questions though. 
 
1.  Why the two hard drives?  Why one 120 and the other 500?  How does that work?  If i load a game onto the hardrive which one does it go to?  Its probably a dumb question but i don't know.  Right now i have a 9 year old gateway that has a 74 gig HD thats half full.
 
2.  I saw an option from Mikey14 that i have 2 60 gig HD's in raid 0.  Why?  Is it faster to have your hardrives in raid 0?  I guess i am asking what does it mean?
 
3.  Are the SSD worth the money?  Is it true that once something is on the hard drive you can't delete it?
 
4.  I just figured that if i got the monitor from DS that it would be covered under there warrenty but i don't know.
 
5.  Is there a problem running games that are out now in SLI.  Is it better to have just one card.
 
6.. I am sure i will think of some more. 
 
Thanks again for all your help!!  Ermm
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DST I never stated that you said anything. I was simply making it clear to readers and not you inpaticuler.
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1. you want to keep your OS drive light so that it runs better and also if your HDD dies you don't want to lose all your files and last you don't want a huge drive for your OS drive cause it will take forever to scan, search, etc.

so the fast drive = HDD1 for OS/app/games

slower driver (7200rpm) = HDD2 for personal/media/work file storage.

2. yes raid SSD makes it faster but then if one drive goes bad you lose all data.

3. SSDs right now are Worth the money, the OCZ I picked for you is, also remember you can clone your SSD and then secure delete (format) the SSD to clear all blocks again then restore from your clone. but you still have a lot of time before that becomes an issue, also SSD companies are now beginning to come out with their version of defrag for them.

4. ask them to be sure and please let us know the answer so we know from now on also, I recall during a difference situation that those kinds of things will not be covered under the 5 year warranty.

5. I picked you 2 x 275 so that the games that don't support sli you can just use one of your 275-s, which will do great, for games that do support sli, you just enable sli

6. let us know when you do
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I have to repectfully disagree with SSD drives.  They are fast, but my opinion is that with games, they are not worth that price when compared to a 10k drive.  Would I like to have one? Sure. But they are more expensive to ME than I am willing to pay for the small increase in games.  SSD drives increase all OS functions and how fast games open up.  But games are all about FPS.  I would rather upgrade to 2 285's from 2 275's than go from a 10k to an SSD for games.  Heck games are fine with a 7200 rpm drive and their relatively lower seek times.  Someday, SSDs will come down in price enough to make it worth it to me.  Games are only going to get more and more graphic intensive as time goes on.  So, in summary, I agree SSDs are faster than mechanical drives.  But they are too expensive right now to simply not have to wait 20 extra seconds for Vista to boot up.  Early next year prices will get better, and you will want a new hard drive for Windows 7 by then anway :)

I would not bother with RAID at all for this purchaser.  One fast drive and one data drive is my recommendation.  Keep it simple.  Just make sure to back up your important data.  In fact, a USB hard drive would be the best option for this.  USB drives provide you with a drive for your sensitive/irreplaceable data that is completely seperate from the system all together.  They are also mobile.

I am not gonna discuss RAM here because I recommend this purchaser buy the Mushkin 1333 RAM as well.
 
I agree that 1200 watts is more than he needs right now.  What I recommend is PC Power and Cooling PSUs.  I also recommend 1 12v rail on PSUs.  Perhaps the 910 PSU would be better for now.  But to leave power for future expansion, if he has the money, 1200 watts is not gonna hurt anything.  The 1000 watt Corsair is also a good PSU though.  It may be a good tradeoff.  I just do not personally like mulitple rail PSU's.  Corsair's 1000 model however is an exception.  It is very well made.  Basically, the 910, the 1000, and the 1200 are all tier 1 PSU's.  You really cannot go wrong with any of them.
 
DST, if my system is cheaper, how is it that your system wastes less money? I give him more power, a better motherboard, more expansion room for PCI cards, and the same game performance for less cash.  A SSD drive does not make up for all of that.
 
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more power he does not need is a waste, tri sli 275 doesn't need 1200w, you config done correctly should cost lower then it is, the waste is making it be only $100 less then mine. what 1200 is going to hurt is the person's money being wasted, when it can go toward something he will notice.

as I said before even a gaming PC does not mean it won't have basic PC usage, I already went over all of this.

going 2 x 285 would have been another waste, drop $250 for 4 fps when already over 60 fps. waste, you might as well had said "I would rather get 12GB of ram instead of getting an SSD.

well in the SSD at least during basic computer use, app loading, pc loading, game loading, games saving,and level load times, he would notice the difference between a regular drive,where as he would never notice the difference of 2 x 285 over 2 x 275.

my system can expand also, it just does not have overkill stuff. better motherboard for an OC-er not a gamer, funny you keep saying gaming PC but the mobo, ram speed and etc, its not for gamers, its for OC enthusiast.

if his budget was $2500 and I had a SSD in there I would understand what you are saying but a 4K system can easy have an SSD and be very powerful as my build shows, with room to grow to Tri sli.

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Ramdurand-Go with DST4ME's build.  It is by far the best bang for your buck. 
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  Quote Ramdurand Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 31 May 2009 at 10:17am
Thanks for the info guys! 
 
How fast is the 7200 HD?  Is it better to get a 10k for the second drive? 
 
Is one 295 card better than 2 275's?  I am sure this question has been asked a million times.
 
If i order this computer soon is there anything on there thats going to drop in price soon?
 
When or where do you guys find out when new stuff is coming out?  Anything coming out soon thats worth waiting for?
 
Once again thanks for your help.
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  Quote Vipersneak Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 31 May 2009 at 10:18am
The most imporant thing is that Ramdurand gets what he needs in a computer for the money he is spending.  But not only what he needs today, but what he will need for some time to come.  He is in the dark about several issues and it is our duty to give him the best advice possible.  If anyone disagrees with what I have to say below, please make it clear why it is wrong, and why Randurand should consider what I am saying differently.  Lets present him with facts, so he can make an informed decision.
 
1. Hard drive: SSD drives are solid state drives.  A SSD will give you faster seek times, and thus, desktop operations dependent on the hard drive will be faster.  Things like Windows boot time, opening programs, unzipping files, searching folders, and even installing huge games will be faster.  It wasn't too long ago that SSD drives were unreliable.  Not so with todays drives.
 
Keep in mind though, that while you are playing games, you will not notice any difference in system performance with an SSD drive.  COD will not be any faster than a low cost 7200 rpm drive.  The cost of these drives are sky high right now.  As with most technology, as time passes, the cost will come down.
 
Opinion: Right now, I believe that 7200 rpm drives are sufficient for most users and are dirt cheap.  Since you have the extra money to spend though, I recommended a 10k drive to speed things up a bit.  They are more expensive, but not as expensive as a SSD drive.  I believe that this extra money saved can be better spent elsewhere, even if it is just on more games, a gaming keyboard such as the G11 or G15, and a gaming mouse such as the G5 (all from Logitech). You could probably go on a weekend get away with he amount of money you would be saving with a 10k hard drive.
 
2. Motherboard.  Either EVGA motherboard is great.  EVGA has great support and a web site that is active and full of information from very knowledgeable people.  If you ever want to know about their products, give their forums a visit.
 
The Classified flavor of their X58 motherboard is their top-of-the-line offering.  It is indeed an enthusiast board and great for overclocking.  However that is not its only advantages.  With this board, you will be able to add more PCI addin cards than the regular version.  So if you ever want tri-sli (with true x16,x16,x16) in the future, you will still have room for a sweet sound card and even a physX card or a network card.
 
The Classified motherboard is also made with better components than the regular version.  I suggest your read up on this motherboard on EVGA's website.  Read what others have to say about it.  It too, however, is more expensive and will not speed up any of your games.  The regular EVGA board will save you a lot of cash that could also be spent elsewhere.  Remember though, it is much more difficult to upgrade your motherboard in the future than it is any hard drive choice that you make now.
 
3. Power Supply: Power supplies have come a long way in recent years.  They are now much more efficient than they use to be.  The power supplies offered by DSO are all greater than 80% efficient.  They even have one, the 910 from PC Power and Cooling that is Silver Certified as being 88% efficient!  That is almost as good as the furnace in my house!  Being more efficient means that these power supplies waste less energy which results in lower power bills than cheap power supplies.  The 910, the 1000, and the 1200 will all leave you with enough power for expansion in the future.
 
Opinion: I like the PC Power and Cooling supplies because they offer a 1 12volt rail solution.  This means that every component in your system has every ounce of power at their disposal if needed.  With your present configuration, this shouldn't be much of an issue though.  The advantage of the Corsair power supply is that it is modular.  Which means less mess from unused wires.  To me, however, the more power at my disposal for future upgrades, the better.  Fortunately, all 3 power supplies are the best of the best.  You really cannot go wrong with your choice here.
 
4. THE most important consideration with your build though, is how much graphics power can you get to play games now and in the future.  The 2x275 choice is a great one when considering graphics power per dollar spent.  You may want to consider the 295's though.  They are basically 2-275's in one two slot solution.  This means that if you add another 295 in the future, you would then have quad-sli and take up the same amount of motherboard space as only 2-275's.  Leaving you with plenty of room on your motherboard.  They are quite expensive though. Two 275's in SLI mode will give you the same performance as one 295 for less money. So if you never plan to go quad SLI (drool) I would go with the 2-275 option, especially if you do not plan to ever go any higher than a 24" monitor.
 
You have been presented with a ton of information from different sources.  Some of this information is fact, and some of it is opinion.  But think of this as the fun part of buying a new system.  Where people disagree in their opinions, I suggest you do some research of your own.  There are many websites with a ton of information on these topics.  Google a topic, and you will be presented with all of the information that you need to make your own informed choices.


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  Quote Mikey14 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 31 May 2009 at 10:21am
Dont bother with the 10k for your secondary it will just be a) more money for unnoticed preformance, b) less space and c) more noise.  Yes 2x 275 is better than 295.  The SSD's will eventually drop and get faster, the new i7 are out and should be available very soon(i7 950,975).  No problem, enjoy your systemErmmErmm
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Wow Viper thanks for all of that info!!  You to Mikey!  Ermm
 
What are PCI slots?
 
I am looking for a computer that i won't have to upgrade right away and thats easy to use.  It is fun to try and figure out what is the best bang for your buck and without your help i would have probably ordered either a piece of crap or way overkill so thank you very much guys.  Ermm
 
One of the reason's i wanted to get the monitor and keyboard from DSO is because a couple of years ago i ordered a Dell junk in a box and i was going to use my monitor from my gateway and i finally the junk box and it wouldn't recoginze the monitor or the keyboard.  I didn't even get to load a game on it.  All that time and money waiting and i had to send it back because there was a bad OP system on it.  Thank you.  I dispise Dell!!! Sleepy
 
 
I know DSO will be different but i still worry about getting the computer and pluging in the montior and it doesn't work.
 
 
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How much noise is this beast going to make? 
 
How much heat? 
 
I emailed DSO a while back and they said that the PC power and cooling is the quietest out of all of them.  Thats when they had 1K  option. 
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If i don't get the montior from here and i get it from some place else i think i could talk the wife into letting me still spend 4K on here without the montior so what would that do to my build or should i just leave it.  And save the money.Lamp

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This beast is specifically designed to eliminate heat.  The HAF and the LC will make heat an forgotten problem.  Noise on the other hand....the 275's are extremely loud.  However this is a problem with every high-end system. 
 
PCI slots are what you plug in all extras, sound cards, graphics etc.  Also the keyboard from DSO is just a keyboard you could find in a store.  But thats your decision.  IMO DST4ME has a great build and you can just add the acessories to it and be all set.  Good LuckErmm
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For the extra money option, you could look at a bigger monitorSmile and another 275 or a i7 975 and the Classified.  I dont know what DST will say to that but it is a little bit overkill. 
 
EDIT: A sound card could be a nice addition. 
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Yeah a bigger montior would be nice Cool  Right now i am on a 19 so i think i would stick with a 24. 

How many pci slots are there on a computer? 
 
I listen to music on my computer often but i don't know if its worth the soundcard.
 
Is this going to sound like a jet engine is taking off or is it more of a just a fan running.  Anyway to make it quieter? 
 
 
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The only way to make it quiter would be to get the LC for the gpu's but unless you know a lot about LC, are willing to ship it back to DS everytime something goes wrong or u want to upgrade it then i dont reccommend it. 
 
Don't worry its not that loud.  Like a steady drone.  I get around it with really large speakersErmm
 
As for PCI-E slots it depends on the mobo, i think there are 2x16 1x8 and 1x1 on the Evga and 3x16 1x8 and 1x1 on the classified.  Regardless the Evga should be more than enough for you if you are only using 2-way SLI and no sound or other cards.  The link to the two mobos: Classified: http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=141-BL-E760-A1&family=MotherboardFamily


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What does 3x16 mean 1x8 1x1?

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Basically there are 3 PCI-E slots that have x16 speed.  That means it is faster.  x16 is optimized for graphics cards but x8 will work as well.  If anyone else can explain it better feel free. 
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If you look at the pics in the links i posted you can see there are 3 'big' slots on the X58 and 4 on the classfied.  One is a x8 and the rest of the big ones are x16. 
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  Quote Ramdurand Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 31 May 2009 at 11:19am
Okay cool thanks.  I think i saw DST say that with the classified MB you have to get 1600 ram.  I don't know if its really worth it.  It will be intresting to see what he says to do with that extra 500 bucks.
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what he said is you HAVE to get the 1600 MHz.  However at these speeds it will make little visible differances

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Okay i got it Mikey

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