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    Posted: 14 May 2010 at 1:42am
I'm pleased to announce that Digital Storm now offers very competitive pricing on our special deal configurations. In addition, we've opened up more options as well (even our Sub-Zero cooling system).
 
We want more and more people to enjoy the benefits of buying from a quality company like Digital Storm.
 
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  Quote Jingping Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 14 May 2010 at 2:00am
Right on!  I'd been slowly and silently watching while feeling some dismay at the pricings creep I'd been seeing; these prices now bring DS back to the kick-ass bargains (combined with superb customer service & genuine build quality) that first attracted me here!
 
Unfortunately, I'm outside the US right now so shipping is a pain, but rest assured that I will once more begin to sing DS's praises to any buddies who are interested in a new gaming computer!
 
Just one question though; it seems like these deals "come with an overclock", but the overclock requires a cooling system upgrade which doesn't seem to be included?  Seems a bit strange.  Also, what brands are these 'DS certified RAM'?


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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 14 May 2010 at 2:26am

Actually a cooling upgrade is not necessary for the overclocks listed. It's just recommended, I've made the change.

The brand of memory depends on stock. It can very from Mushkin, Kingston, and others. There all the same honestly, nothing super special but does the job well. Anyone that wants some special ram can definitely get the Corsair Dominator upgrade.

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  Quote Muggz Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 14 May 2010 at 2:31am
Hey. I just put my order in yesterday, and it included stage 6 for dual gpu + cpu, no chipset. I see now it has some deal on liquid cooling, will I be able to take any advantage of this ?
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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 14 May 2010 at 2:36am

The Special Deals don't include any GPU liquid cooling. If you want to swap your order for a Special Deal, we still have time to do it. Just give us a call.



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  Quote Muggz Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 14 May 2010 at 2:54am
Hey Alex, thanks for getting back to me, but I just did a bit of testing on your config page.

I built the exact same system with the only difference being you only now offer an i7 930 and on my build I ordered yesterday, i selected the 920.

Everything else being the same, after taxes the difference was $229.38

You think I can get this applied to my order or can I like cancel/ reorder? :) I could use that for upgrading ram or something. :D
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  Quote Muggz Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 14 May 2010 at 2:58am
Maybe I'll just call you guys tomorrow instead of putting this on your guys' exciting news post :)
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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 14 May 2010 at 3:03am
We can offer it as a credit which you can make upgrades to your system if that works?
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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 14 May 2010 at 3:06am
Also, we'll have to change your Warranty from the full 3 year parts and labor to our 3 Year Limited warranty.
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  Quote Muggz Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 14 May 2010 at 3:16am
Hmm as I said I'll have to call to understand why the warranty would change and such :-/ that seems like a big loss for a $200 gain ><
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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 14 May 2010 at 3:19am
We'll basically, your getting a lower priced system because the warranty isn't for 3 years on the parts.
 
Special Deal systems are more for customers looking for a great deal for a great system.
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  Quote Muggz Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 14 May 2010 at 3:21am
Oh I got this deal without going through your special deal systems. I ordered it the exact same way I ordered my previous one.

You added onto your bonus things an upgrade to your water cooling so it starts at stage 2 I think. Which appears to have lowered the price of the upgrade to the higher end LC.

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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 14 May 2010 at 3:30am
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  Quote Damon Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 14 May 2010 at 10:28pm
So you can no longer get a Platinum warranty for parts and labor in the Special Deals?? - you have to go to Black Ops??
 
What does the new 3 yr warranty under Special Deals actually cover??? Can not find an explanation anywhere on your site.
 
Also it looks like it is more expensive to upgrade Windows 7 to Premium in Special Deals than Black Ops...weird?!


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  Quote Dragoonseal Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 May 2010 at 12:17am
Alex, what are your thoughts on giving the option to select better warranty options, for a higher price than the basic 3 year limited, in the Special Deals section? I mean I love to see the option to cut prices down that much more for a tight budget computer, but seeing as I can configure two identical computers between Special Deals and Black OPS and have a $600 price difference I'm sure there could be some room for a middle ground.

Digital Storm's great full warranties have been one of your best selling points, I've always thought.

And how come the big price difference in Windows 7 Professional? Did the price of Home Premium go down, the price of Professional go up, or a little of both? We used to always recommend Professional for access to XP Mode since it was only a few dollars more than Home Premium, but now that it is $42 more it doesn't look as worth it anymore.
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  Quote Herniter Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 May 2010 at 12:39am
I basically agree with everything Dragoonseal has mentioned and would like to express my concern as well.

Originally posted by Dragoonseal

Alex, what are your thoughts on giving the option to select better warranty options, for a higher price than the basic 3 year limited, in the Special Deals section? I mean I love to see the option to cut prices down that much more for a tight budget computer, but seeing as I can configure two identical computers between Special Deals and Black OPS and have a $600 price difference I'm sure there could be some room for a middle ground.


I would also like the ability to purchase an extended warranty on the special deals.  I also was under the impression that all DS computers had lifetime tech support, does the new warranty only offer 3 years of support and 1 year for parts?  Gah :(.  After the problems I had with Alienware over my last computers 3+ years lifetime I will never buy a computer without the option of at least 3 years parts/labor warranty.  I don't want to think about how much it would have cost to replace all the components that died in that thing, and hardware is hardware regardless of who builds the computer, it failing isn't really an uncommon occurrence.

Originally posted by Dragoonseal


Digital Storm's great full warranties have been one of your best selling points, I've always thought.


That, overclocking and American tech support. 

Originally posted by Dragoonseal


And how come the big price difference in Windows 7 Professional? Did the price of Home Premium go down, the price of Professional go up, or a little of both? We used to always recommend Professional for access to XP Mode since it was only a few dollars more than Home Premium, but now that it is $42 more it doesn't look as worth it anymore.


Not to overly disappointed about this every other manfacturer charges full price ~160$ for pro and ultimate, still not sure if 50$ for xp emulation is really worth it. 

Originally posted by Damon

So you can no longer get a Platinum warranty for parts and labor in the Special Deals?? - you have to go to Black Ops??
 
What does the new 3 yr warranty under Special Deals actually cover??? Can not find an explanation anywhere on your site.
 
Also it looks like it is more expensive to upgrade Windows 7 to Premium in Special Deals than Black Ops...weird?!


I looked around and could also not find what each warranty covers specifically.


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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 May 2010 at 12:47am
Great feedback!
 
I believe the OS price difference is probably a mistake. I'll check it out shortly.
 
I'll see if we can add an extended warranty option to our special deals.
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  Quote Damon Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 May 2010 at 1:11am
That would be great!
 
DS has an awesome reputation for Customer Service and the BEST Warranty in the business, so you should definately continue to offer that option at a low price to ALL your customers (never lose site of what put you on the map and built your rep).
 
By lowering your prices and providing greater flexiblility in your configurator you will definately expand your customer base (quite honestly you would probably do EVEN better if you just had one configurator with the best price and ultimate options - people feel cheated and ripped off by the "Black Ops" one and only use it as a last resort (I would eliminate that one all together)). Simplify to maximize!!!
 
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  Quote Natsu Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 May 2010 at 2:31am
Nice stuff going to buy soon and these prices look good ^_^!!
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 May 2010 at 2:51am
can you explain the warranty on the special deals Alex please, we are all confused about it and its difference from the platinum, TIA.
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  Quote Dragoonseal Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 May 2010 at 6:28am
Originally posted by Damon

That would be great!
 
DS has an awesome reputation for Customer Service and the BEST Warranty in the business, so you should definately continue to offer that option at a low price to ALL your customers (never lose site of what put you on the map and built your rep).
 
By lowering your prices and providing greater flexiblility in your configurator you will definately expand your customer base (quite honestly you would probably do EVEN better if you just had one configurator with the best price and ultimate options - people feel cheated and ripped off by the "Black Ops" one and only use it as a last resort (I would eliminate that one all together)). Simplify to maximize!!!
 
Never underestimate word of mouth, repeat buyers, and simplicity (KISS)!!!!

I'm torn on this issue. On one hand I do like the idea behind the two different configuration methods, the current system was implemented pretty well to me. Special Deals section gives up on a bigger parts selection, better cooling options, better overclocks, and more customization options for a lower base price, versus the Black OPS section has more parts, better cooling, better overclocks, and more specialized customization options but at a premium.

However then on the other hand I know that this leads to a lot of the parts and options available only in the Black OPS section to more or less get blacklisted and not selected by many people because to get them they'd have to move up to the Black OPS section and then the base price would rise quite a bit. I'm certainly not against merging them into a single configuration area, if implemented well it would lead to a number of their higher end options being purchased more often while allowing customers access to select higher end options without raising the base price of the computer so much. I just think they would have to be careful how they go about setting it up and pricing, too much one way and DS kills their profit margins, too much the other way and some customers get overcharged (probably customers trying to configure low budget PCs).

On the subject of warranties again, even though I suggest the option of selecting full coverage warranties on Special Deal PCs for a higher price, I definitely still want to see the option to select the cheaper limited warranties stay. If there is one and only one area that Digital Storm does not absolutely crush its "competition" is in prices. It isn't that Digital Storm doesn't offer amazing value for their PCs/warranty/support, it's just the other guys will skimp on everything possible, limited warranties, refurbished parts, no quality control, off-brand parts, foreign tech support, and morals, to make sure the total price for their PCs are lower. You will always inevitably lose customers to this because there are plenty of people who think they see what looks like a good PC on paper but don't know any better and even people who do know better but decide to roll the dice and take their chances with the other company anyway because they just absolutely have to try and save that extra couple hundred dollars.

I've personally lost two friends to Cyberpower PCs. One did it on an impulse without doing any research because he saw the lower prices, and unfortunately he has been having nothing but problems with it so far. The other was shopping around and was even looking for suggestions from me, but I just could not convince him to go with a DS over CP, I couldn't make him understand how much better of a deal he could get for an extra $200-300, all he could see was CP's lower price. It was very depressing.

So I would like to see the cheaper warranty option stay, because some people just don't care about warranties and can't see past the price, and end up being put off by DS's higher base prices.
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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 May 2010 at 3:02pm
Thank you everyone for the feedback once again.
 
I wanted to first state that the 'Special Deal' systems are designed for customers looking for a great deal. These are customers that want the same level of quality testing and support that Digital Storm is known for at a more aggressive price like some of our competition. In order to offer that lower price, we have to offer a limited warranty just like our competition that offer aggressively priced systems. It just factors down to lower pricing equals to less margin per system which results with a limited warranty.
 
Any customer that wants a full 3 year warranty that covers both parts and labor for 3 years should go with our premium 'Black|OPS' brand.
 
The level of testing, quality, or customer support is no difference between 'Black|OPS' or our 'Special Deals.' Just the length of our warranty.
 
Unfortunately, we cannot offer a warranty upgrade option to our 'Special Deal's from a limited to a full 3 year parts and labor warranty only because then the price of the warranty upgrade would put the system at the same price point as our 'Black|OPS' systems.
 
I looked at the price difference between Windows 7 Home Premium and Professional and it's about an average of $40 from the price between our 'Special Deals' and 'Black|OPS.' In the past, before our price update, we had excessive inventory of Windows 7 Professional which resulted in a lower price. But, we had to bring it back to it's original market price difference. As you will see, NewEgg also for example charges about $40 more for Professional from Home Premium as well.
 
Finishing off, our warranty details are located on our 'About Us' -> 'View Digital Storm Warranty' area. Here's a direct link: http://www.digitalstormonline.com/warranty.asp
 
I hope that clears it up.
 
We're basically trying to offer our customers both great systems and specially priced units as well since we want everyone to experience the benefits of buying from Digital Storm. Thumbs%20Up
 
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I'm going to be moving this to the appropriate 'General Discussion' area soon since this isn't a post about 'Configuration Help' Big%20smile
 
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  Quote Shaelen Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 May 2010 at 4:44pm
thanks for the clarification! So let me see if I have this right, the special deal comps come with a 1 year warranty on parts. After that year, if something breaks, it comes out of our pocket to replace. There is also 3 years of labor, which I'm assuming means tech support? After that, if our comp has an issue, do we pay extra for support?

The Black OPS brand has 3, 4, 5 years of full coverage?

As someone who is thinking of purchasing from you guys, I appreciate all of the communication and clarifications.
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@Shaelen,

You are correct.
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Originally posted by Alex

Unfortunately, we cannot offer a warranty upgrade option to our 'Special Deal's from a limited to a full 3 year parts and labor warranty only because then the price of the warranty upgrade would put the system at the same price point as our 'Black|OPS' systems.

That is really a shame. With now such a large price difference between the Black OPS and Special Deals sections I figured there would be room for a middle ground. I mentioned before I configured a few identical PCs in both sections and the price difference was around $600, but looking again I just now noticed that the Black OPS "in the cart" discount of up to $300 is no longer being applied, is this an oversight that happened with the recent price updates? This would bring the base price difference between the two sections closer to $400-450, but is still most definitely significant.

When configuring systems for people I will make a note that if they want full 3+ year warranties they will have to move up to the Black OPS section, but I honestly don't think many will find $450 for a warranty upgrade to be appealing. I know I don't. I'm actually glad I ordered my Special Deals PC while they still had the higher prices. It was $250 more than if I was ordering right now, but that sounds about right for a full Platinum warranty upgrade. That full warranty was one of the big reasons I went with Digital Storm in the first place after all.
 
Originally posted by Alex

I looked at the price difference between Windows 7 Home Premium and Professional and it's about an average of $40 from the price between our 'Special Deals' and 'Black|OPS.' In the past, before our price update, we had excessive inventory of Windows 7 Professional which resulted in a lower price. But, we had to bring it back to it's original market price difference. As you will see, NewEgg also for example charges about $40 more for Professional from Home Premium as well.

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  Quote Damon Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 May 2010 at 11:34pm

1. The Windows 7 Pro upgrade should be no more than $32 in Special Deals.

Even the high priced Black Ops configurator is only $32 and nothing else in that configurator is cheaper!
 
2. Also the BONUS Discount (up to $300) is no longer working and being applied to the Black Ops configurator...something broke when you changed prices.
 
3. What happened to the Enermax 1250 PS? Is it no longer offered? What PS is now being offered by DS to power dual 480s??


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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 16 May 2010 at 12:01am
@Dragoonseal,
 
That's weird. It should apply the additional bonus discount when you click 'Buy Now' to your shopping cart. It will bring the $600 price difference to about $300 which is more around the line for about an extra $100 per year.
 
I tried configuring a few 'Black|OPS' configurations and they applied the promotional discounts.
 
Could you help me replicate it with step-by-step instructions on how you are doing it?
 
@Damon,
 
1. You got it! I spoke with the team, and they're willing to make it happen as we do our best to try to listen to our customers. We updated the price.
 
2. It should work... I tried it... as I've wrote to @Dragoonseal as well that I tried it out and it works. Can you tell me what steps you took to replicate it?
 
3. I also spoke to our team about it. We ran out of stock on it and we had no future ETA due to shortages, but, I've heard they are sending us a shipment so we added it again.
 
Thank you everyone for the feedback! We value your opinion.


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  Quote Shaelen Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 16 May 2010 at 9:10am
Alex, if I get a special deal comp with the limited warranty and a year down the road it runs out, am I able to extend the warranty?
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  Quote mwilke Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 16 May 2010 at 3:13pm
Alex, would you be able to add the extended warranty to the special deals as an added choice? Even raising the price of their system i'm sure it would give a lot of people peace of mind knowing they can still get it if they're willing to pay. I for one would pay the extra, customer service and warranties are after all two of Digital Storm's best selling points.

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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 16 May 2010 at 9:10pm
@Shaelen,
 
You would have to just purchase the part at a discounted price from us. We won't be able to extend the warranty. To be honest, the event that a part fails after a year of great operation is fairly low. Even if it does, you'll most likely save more money in the end by just buying the replacement or making an upgrade with the difference to a better part down the road.
 
@mwilke,
 
I spoke with the team, and as of right now, we cannot add an extended warranty for the 'Special Deals'. Reason being is that if we were to offer an extended warranty upgrade, the price would be exactly the same as the Black|OPS systems.
 
Basically, if you do want a system with our premium 3 year warranty, we do still offer it, it's now at our Black|OPS side of desktops (you can still select the same case or components like the special deals) or if you want a lower price, you can go with our 'Special Deals.'
 
I hope that clears things up. Thumbs%20Up
 
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I am moving this thread to the appropriate 'General Discussion' area soon as it is not a configuration help post.


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  Quote mwilke Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 May 2010 at 3:59am
My mistake I didn't factor in the $300 discount applied after you hit "buy now" in the black ops section, so it would factor out correctly to be the same price. Thanks Alex.
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  Quote Dragoonseal Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 May 2010 at 6:57am
Originally posted by Alex

I tried configuring a few 'Black|OPS' configurations and they applied the promotional discounts.
 
Could you help me replicate it with step-by-step instructions on how you are doing it?

Doing a little fiddling I found at least one method to replicate it. If you have open a Black|OPS configure page, then open up a Special Deals configure page in another tab or window, and lastly go back to the still open Black|OPS tab or window and press Buy Now, it won't apply the discount.

As a random aside, I have a huge delay any time I go to open a configuration page, it takes 10 seconds from when I click before it will pop up. During that time any other Digital Storm page I try to open will hang as well, until the configure page finally finishes loading. Any idea what is up with that? This is all on Firefox 3.6.

Originally posted by Alex

That's weird. It should apply the additional bonus discount when you click 'Buy Now' to your shopping cart. It will bring the $600 price difference to about $300 which is more around the line for about an extra $100 per year.

You can't get that whole $300 discount unless you configure an extremely expensive computer, one over $6000. This picture shows the discount breakdown, most people are only going to get a $100-150 discount. Moreover, the full 3 year Platinum warranty only has 2 more years of part coverage than the limited warranty, which has 1 year on parts.

For an example, here's a higher end bang for your buck system with commonly recommended parts:
Special Deals ticket #407169, price: $2115
Black|OPS ticket #407170, price in cart: $2564

Price difference is $449, parts and options are identical, the Special Deals version has 2 years less on parts warranty, so $224.50 per year.

That's a lot. Pinch
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  Quote Zimbawan Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 May 2010 at 10:45am
Originally posted by Dragoonseal

This picture shows the discount breakdown, most people are only going to get a $100-150 discount


Is it just me or is there $1000 that is unaccounted for on that picture. ($4,500 - $5,499). I guess that slot figures in with the $250 discount?
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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 May 2010 at 2:36pm
@Dragoonseal,
 
Your right, and the 'Special Deals' are currently a better offer and value for a large portion of our customers. The 'Black|OPS' segment is now more for extreme high-end builds.
 
Don't forget, the 'Special Deals' also do not come with free shipping ($65 Flat Rate) but, in the end, the 'Special Deals' still do come out at a great value.
 
We know that a lot of customers have limited cash and we want to offer our customers the best bang for their buck as much as possible.
 
@Zimbawan,
 
Ah your right! I corrected the sales banner to show the correct figures.


Edited by Alex - 17 May 2010 at 2:37pm
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