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    Posted: 15 Jan 2011 at 10:47pm
Hi all.  I'm turning forty soon and I'm looking to buy a triple monitor 3D Vision Surround setup for around 3 grand.  I currently play WoW or similar games on my very outdated setup, but I would like to play FPS's and other action games on something other than my PS3.  I will most likely use the default monitors provided by DS on high settings unless you guys have better options.  I would like the option to watch 3D Blu-Ray movies with great sound also.  I do like to keep a decent library of movies available to watch on my computer or stream to my PS3.  Upgradeability is something I didn't opt for on my last Dell purchase and now I regret not leaving room for my old PC to expand.  I'm not in a big hurry because I'm waiting to see what my income tax return will be. 
 
BTW, out of all the sites I've researched, this is the best and most helpful forum available, hands down.


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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 Jan 2011 at 10:53pm
Here you go Ticket# 478739 --- $2892 (To see this build click here)

Copy of Specifications:
Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Cooler Master HAF 932
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 2600K 3.40GHz (Unlocked CPU for Extreme Overclocking) (Quad Core)
Motherboard: ASUS P8P67 Pro (Intel P67 Chipset) (Features USB 3.0 and SATA 6Gb/s)
System Memory: 8GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 1000W Corsair (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible)
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (80GB Solid State (By: Intel) (Model: X25-M MLC Edition) (Extreme Performance)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 1x (1TB Western Digital Caviar (7200 RPM) (64MB Cache) (Model: Black Edition WD1002FAEX)
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: Blu-Ray & DVD Writer/Reader (Burn + Play Blu-Ray & DVDs) (12x BD-R) (Lite-On iHBS112)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 2x SLI Dual (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 1.2GB (Includes PhysX Technology)
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Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 1: Noctua NH-U12P SE Dual 120mm Fans High Performance Cooler
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  Quote DraxDemonkin Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 Jan 2011 at 11:14pm

Damn DST4ME,  are you always trolling the forum?  You replied in less than 15 minutes, I think.  Hehe.  It looks like a real good build.  Any suggestions on monitors?  I'm green as far as they are concerned.  Let me put it this way, I still have an old full size (non flat, non HD)  monitor for my current desktop.  Do you have any retail suggestions for tri-monitor setups?

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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 16 Jan 2011 at 1:05am
lol just happened to be on the forum at the same time,


oh you want to do a tri monitor 3d? in that case you need tri sli, I think ati is better for multi monitor to be honest, perhaps you should go tri crossfire 6970. However that is gonna be way over your budget.

as for monitors themselves I'm not that great in 3D monitors to be honest, so I would be guessing. go the hardware or general forum and ask for recommendations there, in the hardware section there should be some recommendations already.



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  Quote DraxDemonkin Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Jan 2011 at 11:51pm
Hi again.  Sorry it took me so long to respond.  I just got my income tax back and I've decided to postpone tri-monitor at this time. 
 
I like the build that DST4ME posted but I may scale back to a single graphics card to start with because I need to leave some cash to buy a monitor.  The 2600K CPU is definately something I want to keep in the build because it gives me all the room I need to upgrade in the near future. 
 
I would still like to be able to do the 3d thing with a single monitor, but I have no idea what specs I should look for in a 3D monitor.  It doesn't need to be huge because I eventually want to have the 3 monitor setup.  I was trying to rework DST4ME's build to save a few bucks, but could not decide on a graphics card.  I was thinking, since I'm only gonna get one, that I should get a really good one.
 
As you can see, middle age has made me a very decisive person. LOL
 
My questions are:
 
1. What is a good 22" to 24" 3D monitor? and
2. What graphics card should I start with, knowing I will double or triple up on it soon?
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  Quote ablahblah Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Jan 2011 at 12:10am
3D essentially halves your FPS in most applications, so to run 3D at any high level is usually extremely taxing on GPUs, especially if you're running 3D across three monitors. I think I read somewhere that dual 580s were even having trouble managing dual monitors, dunno how a triple solution would fare. Tri-SLI of some sort like DST mentioned I would highly recommend as well, and because of that cost I usually advocate against 3D. It's really just a bell and whistle part of the experience, and another $800 or so for that experience I don't think is worth it very much.
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  Quote DraxDemonkin Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Jan 2011 at 12:25am
Damn.  With one finely worded paragraph you have me considering dropping the whole 3D thing.  Is there anyone out there who is pro-3D and who can refute ablahblah's logic bomb?  The only reason I was really interested in the 3D aspect was DS's homepage Nvidia 3D Vision link, which has been replaced by an Nvidia SLI link.  It looked cool and doable.  Cry  Damn ads..so deceptive...so misleading.
 
Actually, my original concept was just gonna be a wicked gaming rig and a monitor for around $3,000.  Well I'm open to suggestions.
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  Quote Epsilon748 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Jan 2011 at 12:36am
I'm running 3D-Vision on my home desktop just fine. I have 2 x GTX 470's running on two Acer GD235HZ monitors (23.6"). They run about $350 apiece, plus the $200 for the 3D vision kit, I think. While it's true that you get ~1/2 your standard performance, I've also found that two 470's have been more than enough to power through anything I play in 3d on high or ultra settings. The biggest complaint about the whole setup is actually that it's got some driver issues. alt-tabbing out of full screen games and resuming tends to totally screw with it and you'll need to restart (in some games only though).

Don't worry too much about the cards you get. You CAN go SLI to get the best performance, but even 1 580 should be more than adequate to run 3D vision on one monitor. Two monitors and you'll need more power, three and you'll need more.. In all honesty, the bezels make gaming over multiple monitors more annoying than it's worth. I usually just end up using the one monitor.

But yeah, 3D Vision is still a bit of a gimmick. I find it's pretty spectacular in games though, and coupled with the fact that I can play 3d bluray with my addon drive, it's been worth the expense (and the fact that those 3d capable monitors are also pretty spectacular in their own right, due to needing to be higher quality to run at 120hz)
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  Quote DraxDemonkin Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Jan 2011 at 12:46am
Sweet!  Epsilon748, you have given me hope.  How do you like that monitor?  It sounds about the right size I'm looking for. 
 
I want to be able to watch 3D Blu-Rays also.  What kind of add-on drive are you using?
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I love the monitor, it's not the nicest 3d monitor, but it works well. I got it for a steal when Newegg had it for half price back over the summer. At the time there were only really two desktop 3d vision monitors out. I can't remember the other brand, but it was the premium version - more heavy duty and much more expensive. My bluray drive is just a $50 bluray reader I got from Newegg as well, I think it was a Lite-On ihos104. The trick for 3d bluray is that it's only supported by certain (expensive) software. I've got PowerDVD 10.

Not a lot of Blurays are out in 3d yet, but there are a few. Basically, to get your foot in the door for 3d you're looking at ~500 for the glasses, emitter, and 1 monitor kit.

If you have the room, I'd recommend looking at the Nvidia website for the specific Mitsubishi DLP TV models. I drooled over those because you can get a 60-70" DLP TV at 1920x1080 that supports 3d Vision for $800 or so. Lots of places have been putting them on sale off and on. I just don't have the room for a screen that large.  Basically, instead of three monitors and taking the huge performance hit- get yourself a nice $2000 desktop from here with a 580 or similar and go all out with a 70" DLP TV + 3d vision setup. You'll get a massive screen and a nice computer. The small desktop LCD's are good- but bigger is always better.

Edit: link to 3d vision requirements http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-vision-requirements.html

link to tv you could use http://www.amazon.com/Mitsubishi-WD-60735-60-Inch-1080p-HDTV/dp/B00166BNFS/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1296280743&sr=8-11

Granted this was a quick search, I know I've seen those cheaper. But they're getting hard to find. No one really wants DLP anymore due to the thickness of the display. But just for giggles, I wanted to give you an idea of what you could do other than three monitors


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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Jan 2011 at 1:03am
Yes one card can run the 3D monitor, but what kind of fps is he gonna get with one card and high settings?

Personally I'm getting into 3D when the monitors and TVs can do it on their own, without special glasses.

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I can test my 470 out tomorrow and find out, if he has any particular games he wants me to try. As far as I can remember I was staying around 40fps on high settings in most games. Obviously Crysis and others would be the exception. But My cards are last gen, so I could at least disable SLI and give him an idea.

You'd be surprised though. 3D Vision monitors are generally speaking, 1080p. Most video cards today don't really break a sweat at such "low" resolutions. That's why most benchmarking sites go up to the 2560 or higher resolutions in testing.
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Jan 2011 at 1:11am
Not sure what you are referring to, but not breaking a sweat to me, is a card that gets minimum 50 fps at least on all games, and right now no games can do that with highest settings and high aa.

take away the aa and its a different story, 1900 x 1200 is by no means a low res yet, but it is becoming the norm fast, benchmarking has been going upto 2560 for many years now, you can check back and see 260 gtx and etc going up to 2560, of course not doing well at all.

It would be very kind of you to run some tests with highest settings and high aa and one without aa and let us know what fps you are getting with one card vs sli, it would be some valuable first hand info we love to have.

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Not a problem, I'll run some benchmarks tomorrow on a few games running Fraps. From experience, 60 FPS is nice, but anything between 30 and 60 is still pretty much unnoticeable (you do realize that movies are usually 24-30FPS depending on format?) The big benefit with 3d is that you can generally cut the graphics down a notch and not notice it as easily when it's running.
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  Quote DraxDemonkin Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Jan 2011 at 1:22am
3D without the glasses...that would rule!  But until then...
 
I play WoW casually and imagine that it would rock in 3D as that is what Nvidia is basing their ads around.  I want to play Black Ops in 3D also.  But the computer I have now probably wouldn't even run it at all.
 
I did not know that a regular Blu-Ray drive could play 3D discs with the right software.  Live and learn.
 
I'm still debating on the graphic card choice...kinda leaning towards a single GTX 580 with the option to add on later.  That drops me down around $2,700.  I could probably downsize the drives, although I think DST nailed them for what I would use them for. 
 
I'm stll playing around with the build.
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Jan 2011 at 1:34am
580 is not worth the extra money, I would go with a 570 instead.

@Epsilon748, movies and games are 2 different things, you can't figure out game performance based on fps of movies.
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I'm not a WoW player, but games like battlefield bad company 2 and demigod really pop in 3d. Performance in both is great in both with cranked settings, though admittedly my methods are unscientific. If you guys are serious about trying it out, grab a pair of red/blue anaglyph glasses and enable stereoscopic 3d in the NVIDIA control panel. No special monitors or other hardware is necessary. True, real 3d vision is much crisper, but you'll get a fairly good idea for the $2 or so the anaglyph glasses cost. It also gives you roughly the same performance as well so you can see if you can run it.
 
But like I said, I'll put up some benchmarks in the morning on my 470s both in sli and single so you can figure the performance hit
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  Quote Epsilon748 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Jan 2011 at 1:48am
Originally posted by DST4ME

580 is not worth the extra money, I would go with a 570 instead.

@Epsilon748, movies and games are 2 different things, you can't figure out game performance based on fps of movies.
Yes and I understand that. My point was that fps is subjective. Movies can run as low as 18fps because they introduce blurring to trick you into seeing fluid motion. The amount of fps needed to overcome flicker varies, but yes you are correct, for most humans anything above around 70hz/fps is unnoticeable. For some people that number can be higher or lower depending on content and their actual vision. I personally don't notice much if any flicker over 50fps or so, especially when using 3d or gaming because it is relatively fluid and my brain is engaged elsewhere.
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Jan 2011 at 2:53am
My next question to you was gonna be if the 50fps average you were getting is smooth to you or not, I agree that noticing the lag is subjective.

So you tried the $2 method yourself on a non 3d monitor?
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Yep, that's actually what I was running for about a year before I had the money for 3d Vision glasses. Believe it or not, the anaglyph red/blue glasses are pretty darn good in most games. You do still take the same performance hit though.

The only real problems with anaglyph is that they tend to cause headaches with longer viewing due to the way in which they make  you see 3d, as well as washing out the colors (mostly blue and red shades, for obvious reasons). If you don't find red/blue glasses of exactly the right shade, it also tends to lessen the effect and let some of the wrong colors leak through.

That said, give it a try if you're ever seriously considering 3D Vision, you'll get an idea of which games support it and whether it's something you'd want long term.

I'm about to go boot up the PC and run some benchmarks. I'll probably run four tests per game with:

SLI off/3D off
SLI on/3D off
SLI off/3D on
SLI on/3D on

I've got a few games that I think have benchmarks I can run to make sure it's consistent, probably:

Crysis
World in Conflict
Just Cause 2
GTA IV
LotR Online (I think it has a benchmarks for DX11 and I don't have WoW so I can't gauge that).

I'll post back once I get those benchmarks. It should give you an idea of roughly what kind of performance to expect and what kind of loss is introduced into it.
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EDIT: Had the framerates/settings reversed. Should have been flipped, obviously.

Alright guys, as promised, I have a giant spreadsheet of benchmarks from 6 games as well as 3DMark to provide a barometer for your own comparisons.All benchmarks used the built in benchmark software provided with the games except for Crysis, which used a 3rd party benchmark program from 3DGuru.

I did several tests for each game:

  • No SLI/No 3D
  • SLI/ No 3D
  • No SLI/ 3D
  • SLI / 3D
Also for each of the above categories, the values will be given as score1/score2. Score 1 is the maximum possible settings with AA turned all the way up. Score 2 is with the game set to default and/or optimized settings based on the in game options.

Game                          |  No SLI/No 3D  | SLI/ No 3D  | No SLI/3D  | SLI/3D

Just Cause 2                 27.7/59.95         42.19/72       15.78/33.2   26.4/48.6
GTA IV                         49/64                 50.76/64.4     31/41         43.6/54.5
World in Conflict            45/54                 69/76            24/29         39/43
Crysis                           30.2/54.9           29.8/52.2      15.2/27.7    15.1/26.9
F.E.A.R                        80/114                107/119        37/51          40/59
Half Life 2 Lost Coast     119/119              119/119         48.5/48.8   48.5/48.5


3D Mark Vantage Scores: Single Card: 14,680   SLI: 26,435

My current configuration is:
  • Core i7 930 2.8ghz OC to ~3.36
  • 12GB DDR3 1333
  • 2x GTX 470
  • 64GB OCZ Vertex SSD

There are three important points about the data above:
  1. SLI scaling is all over the place. Some games it's non-existent, others it's quite large. This is, I'm assuming, an issue with both the games and drivers, as 3D Mark shows nearly a doubling of power with SLI
  2. 3D generally does knock off 40-50% of your frame rates. So most games will need to be run a notch down
  3. 3D does however make up for the lower frame rates by making it less noticeable. Flicker is minimal with 3D down as low as 30-35 fps, whereas without 3D enabled you notice flicker at around 40-45. Your mileage may vary.

This means for those of you looking at 3D, plan to get the beefiest single GPU you can get. If you want to run games at relatively high settings AND use 3D, you'll need at least a GTX 470, 480, 570, or 580 in a desktop. In a laptop you're looking at the GTX 485m or possibly the 480m or 470m.

As a note, I did not benchmark WoW or any other MMO due to not having any subscriptions to them. However, considering games like Just Cause 2 can run 3D just fine (and with more eye candy)- it is probably safe to assume that no MMO will tax a 3D Vision setup, in my opinion.

PM me or reply if you have any questions, or want more benchmarks! I hope this helps some people decide which way to go, and whether $500 as a cost to enter the 3D market is worth it.


Edited by Epsilon748 - 29 Jan 2011 at 9:01pm
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  Quote DraxDemonkin Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Jan 2011 at 4:44pm
Wow!  Thanks for all the info.  Drooling
My question is should I try to look for a combo package with monitor and glasses, or get them separate?  If anyone has a good shopping link for a monitor and or 3D glasses I would appreciate it.  I tried googling myself, (LOL just realized how that sounds), but I don't know enough about current pricing and hardware specs to make a good informed decision.
 
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BTW, I would like to stay around $500 for both the monitor and 3D kit.
 
 
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Originally posted by Epsilon748

Alright guys, as promised, I have a giant spreadsheet of benchmarks from 6 games as well as 3DMark to provide a barometer for your own comparisons.All benchmarks used the built in benchmark software provided with the games except for Crysis, which used a 3rd party benchmark program from 3DGuru.

I did several tests for each game:

  • No SLI/No 3D
  • SLI/ No 3D
  • No SLI/ 3D
  • SLI / 3D
Also for each of the above categories, the values will be given as score1/score2. Score 1 is with the game set to default and/or optimized settings based on the in game options. Score 2 is the maximum possible settings with AA turned all the way up.

Game                          |  No SLI/No 3D  | SLI/ No 3D  | No SLI/3D  | SLI/3D

Just Cause 2                 27.7/59.95         42.19/72       15.78/33.2   26.4/48.6
GTA IV                         49/64                 50.76/64.4     31/41         43.6/54.5
World in Conflict            45/54                 69/76            24/29         39/43
Crysis                           30.2/54.9           29.8/52.2      15.2/27.7    15.1/26.9
F.E.A.R                        80/114                107/119        37/51          40/59
Half Life 2 Lost Coast     119/119              119/119         48.5/48.8   48.5/48.5


3D Mark Vantage Scores: Single Card: 14,680   SLI: 26,435

My current configuration is:
  • Core i7 930 2.8ghz OC to ~3.36
  • 12GB DDR3 1333
  • 2x GTX 470
  • 64GB OCZ Vertex SSD

There are three important points about the data above:
  1. SLI scaling is all over the place. Some games it's non-existent, others it's quite large. This is, I'm assuming, an issue with both the games and drivers, as 3D Mark shows nearly a doubling of power with SLI
  2. 3D generally does knock off 40-50% of your frame rates. So most games will need to be run a notch down
  3. 3D does however make up for the lower frame rates by making it less noticeable. Flicker is minimal with 3D down as low as 30-35 fps, whereas without 3D enabled you notice flicker at around 40-45. Your mileage may vary.

This means for those of you looking at 3D, plan to get the beefiest single GPU you can get. If you want to run games at relatively high settings AND use 3D, you'll need at least a GTX 470, 480, 570, or 580 in a desktop. In a laptop you're looking at the GTX 485m or possibly the 480m or 470m.

As a note, I did not benchmark WoW or any other MMO due to not having any subscriptions to them. However, considering games like Just Cause 2 can run 3D just fine (and with more eye candy)- it is probably safe to assume that no MMO will tax a 3D Vision setup, in my opinion.

PM me or reply if you have any questions, or want more benchmarks! I hope this helps some people decide which way to go, and whether $500 as a cost to enter the 3D market is worth it.
no mention of the resolution?
you get better FPS with max settings ??
SLI will not increase FPS if the CPU is the bottleneck.
 
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  Quote Epsilon748 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Jan 2011 at 8:56pm
Seems like that build should work out pretty well, as you'll be looking at the single benchmarks I posted (realistically, you'd be playing games at medium or high settings with 3D vision enabled).

As for staying under $500, you're looking at probably a kit like this one:
http://www.amazon.com/VG236H-23-Inch-Monitor-nVidia-Vision/dp/B003V4AK2K%3FSubscriptionId%3DAKIAJASE6HSSVXTNREYQ%26tag%3Dsmtfx1-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIBN%3D003V4AK2K

You get a 3D Vision Kit (emitter + glasses) and a 1920x1080 23" monitor for just a hair under $500.

Not to mention that that DS build gives you room to add a better card or a second in the future, so you'll probably not need a new computer for at least a few years (longer if you keep playing the same games and not new ones, obviously)
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  Quote Epsilon748 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Jan 2011 at 9:00pm
I did mention resolution, it's in a post a few blocks up. The 3D vision monitors are 1920x1080 monitors. All the tests were run at 1920x1080, since it was native. Obviously lower res will up performance.



And you're correct, I edited the post. I had them listed in reverse. Good catch.

In this case, the CPU is not the bottleneck. My CPU is never really under that much load. It's a moderately overclocked recent part, most games are GPU bound. The benchmarks generally show my graphics chips at 100% load with the CPU between 50 and 75%.
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actually you are 100% positively CPU limited in some cases.
an easy way to see it,  you have 8 threads, if a game only uses 4 threads, and the CPU is at 50%, then those 4 threads are at 100% usage, and not providing enough wire frames for the GPU(s).
It is obvious when the FPS do not go up with increased GPU power.
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Originally posted by Epsilon748

As for staying under $500, you're looking at probably a kit like this one:
http://www.amazon.com/VG236H-23-Inch-Monitor-nVidia-Vision/dp/B003V4AK2K%3FSubscriptionId%3DAKIAJASE6HSSVXTNREYQ%26tag%3Dsmtfx1-20%26linkCode%3Dxm2%26camp%3D2025%26creative%3D165953%26creativeASIBN%3D003V4AK2K

You get a 3D Vision Kit (emitter + glasses) and a 1920x1080 23" monitor for just a hair under $500.
 
That is the same monitor and kit that DS offers in the PROMO package for $499.  I don't know what kind of shipping would be involved for DS though.  I haven't got that far.
 
I found it for a little cheaper on Ebay, but I'm still looking around.  It looks like a decent monitor for the price.
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I've ordered the monitor and kit through Ebay for $469.  That's taken care of.
 
Here's a link to the seller if anybody is interested.
 
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I'm in a holding pattern waiting for my state income tax return.  It may be a week or two. 
 
Here's my build so far:
 
 
I upgraded to the Corsair 1200W, so that when I upgrade to tri-sli I'll already be covered.  Also, I requested a green LED for the front fan.  I don't know if they will do that, but it can't hurt to ask.
 
Is there any new tech coming within the next week or so?  Excited
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The front fan is 230mm led, it will get replaced by a loud 140mm green led.

for tri sli I would go with maximus.
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Maximus is a little pricey for my budget.  What is the difference between that and the pro?
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the maximus gives you tri sli ability at x16, x16, x8
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Here's a build with the Maximus with smaller drives to offset the cost.  I figure drives would be a lot easier to upgrade later.
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honestly, just go with no ssd now, and once the intel gen 3 hits the market, get one, price should be better, and that way you get to be on/close to budget and have the psu/mobo/ssd you wanted.

or add the black caviar later.
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