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  Quote Roonie Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Topic: My build
    Posted: 29 Aug 2019 at 3:31pm
Budget:
At max budget W
Will use hard drive from current computer ( 2 Tb )

Expectations:
Play all future games, hopefully with other windows opened

Usage:
Gaming need best frame per sec

[PlDigital Storm Desktop - Config ID 2556365

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  Quote Roonie Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Aug 2019 at 3:35pm
System Configuration:
Chassis Model: Digital Storm Lumos
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i9-9900K (5.0 GHz Turbo) (16-Thread) (8-Core) 3.6 GHz
Motherboard: ASUS ROG Strix Z390-H Gaming (Intel Z390 Chipset) (Up to 3x PCI-E Devices)
System Memory: 32GB DDR4 3200MHz Digital Storm Performance Series
Power Supply: 850W Corsair RM850x (Fully Modular)
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Optical Drive: - No Thanks
Storage Set 1: 1x SSD M.2 (1TB Digital Storm M.2 Performance Series)
Storage Set 2: - No Thanks
Storage Set 3: - No Thanks
RAID Config: - No Thanks
RAID Card: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Graphics Card(s): 1x GeForce RTX 2060 SUPER 8GB (VR Ready)
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
HPC Processor: - No Thanks
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 2: Digital Storm Vortex Liquid CPU Cooler (Dual Fan) (Fully Sealed + No Maintenance)
HydroLux Tubing Style: - Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected
HydroLux Fluid Color: - Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected
Cable Management: Premium Cable Management (Strategically Routed & Organized for Airflow)
Chassis Fans: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: - No Thanks
Airflow Control: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
LaserMark: Option Not Available
CPU Boost: Stage 1: Overclock CPU - Up to 4.7GHz on All CPU Cores
Graphics Boost: Yes, Overclock the video card(s) as much as possible with complete stability
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  Quote HockeyBuck Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Aug 2019 at 8:24pm
If this is to be a gaming rig for you, and you hope to play at good settings on say a good 2k monitor...I would suggest a couple changes to strengthen the gaming chops here.    The other top cpu, the i7-9700K 8-core will game just as well, Overclock even better, and save a few bucks we can put towards a stronger mid-range GPU...the RTX 2070 Super.   We also need to change your Drive 1 to a Samsung 970 Plus 1TB M.2 NVME SSD....NVME goes 5 times faster than the normal SATA III m.2 SSD you had selected.   Assume you are at max budget but this build would be a far stronger gaming rig for you., and stay close thanks to the sale $300 off for hitting $3k.    Also improved RAM and cooler to better Corsair units with longer warranties, and added a Stage 2 Overclock on the CPU.    BTW we don’t recommend Overclocking the GPU when it isn’t being water cooled...more risk than reward there.   All of this improves the build quality and performance in gaming, while getting you the $300 discount off $3000....to bring the price back down close to your budget .    See what you think...

Lumos build2. Config # 2556854. ($3017 - DS SALE $300 OFF = $2717 Total)

Change -   I7-9700K CPU.                             - $168
Change. - Stage 2 Overclock CPU.              + $99
Change. - Corsair H115i Cooler.                   + $99
Change. - 32GB Corsair Vengeance RAM    + $95
Change. - RTX 2070 Super GPU.                 + $154


Edited by HockeyBuck - 29 Aug 2019 at 8:35pm
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  Quote Cretae Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 30 Aug 2019 at 4:42am
All good stuff added for a net cost of $180. For those of us keeping score (doing the math) at home, you forgot to note that you upgraded him to the Corsair case fans for $199, and the RAM upgrade is only $11 because he already had 32GB. But the $300 discount shrinks to $200 if the fans get left off.

Several points:

I agree the 17-9700K will game just as well.

The upgrade to the Samsung 970 EVO Plus NVMe and it's 5 year warranty for a mere $95 is a must have for the 5x speed.

Switching to Corsair RAM extends the RAM warranty to 5 years for... $11!

The Corsair cooler also comes with a 5 year warranty, and should be included.

Squeezing a substantial GPU upgrade into the budget is a hella idea.

The Internal Lighting is free.

The additional overclock and the case fans add $298, but earn an extra $100 discount. Those items nudge the build over $3000 to get to that threshold so....

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  Quote Roonie Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 30 Aug 2019 at 8:18pm
Thanks to all respondents. Good points and advice.
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  Quote Roonie Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 31 Aug 2019 at 6:35pm
What is difference between Samsung 970 Plus M2 NVME in the 512 gb vs 500 gb versions Do they R/W about the same, etc.

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  Quote HockeyBuck Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 31 Aug 2019 at 7:05pm
The newer Plus model reads & writes more data, faster. They both will last about the same number of hours.
You get to decide what's more important to you...price or performance...lol.
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  Quote Cretae Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Sep 2019 at 5:52am
Actually, there's no decision here. You'd have to ask Digital Storm for the why, but for awhile now, the superior 512Gb 970 PRO has been cheaper than the 500GB 970 EVO. Great buy!
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  Quote Roonie Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Sep 2019 at 11:11am
Thanks for all input and info Look at this and tell me what you think.
* Keep in mind I have a GeForce GTX `1060 to put in upon arrival
*Also a 6 tb WD Black Drive for storage to put in
* will upgrade GPU at a Later date. Have a 4k Monitor now

Digital Storm Desktop - Config ID 2561056 $2,011.00 $2,011.00
System Configuration:
Chassis Model: Digital Storm Lumos
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7-9700K (4.9 GHz Turbo) (8-Core) 3.6 GHz
Motherboard: ASUS ROG Strix Z390-H Gaming (Intel Z390 Chipset) (Up to 3x PCI-E Devices)
System Memory: 32GB DDR4 3200MHz Corsair Dominator Platinum DHX (Extreme-Performance)
Power Supply: 850W Corsair RM850x (Fully Modular)
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Optical Drive: - No Thanks
Storage Set 1: 1x SSD M.2 (512GB Samsung 970 PRO) (NVM Express) (Extreme Performance)
Storage Set 2: - No Thanks
Storage Set 3: - No Thanks
RAID Config: - No Thanks
RAID Card: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Graphics Card(s): 1x - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
HPC Processor: - No Thanks
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 2: Corsair H115i PRO - 280mm Liquid CPU Cooler (Fully Sealed + No Maintenance)
HydroLux Tubing Style: - Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected
HydroLux Fluid Color: - Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected
Cable Management: Premium Cable Management (Strategically Routed & Organized for Airflow)
Chassis Fans: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: Remote Controlled Advanced LED Lighting System (Multiple RGB Color Modes)
Airflow Control: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
LaserMark: Option Not Available
CPU Boost: Stage 1: Overclock CPU - Up to 4.7GHz on All CPU Cores
Graphics Boost: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
OS Boost: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home (64-Bit Edition)
Recovery Tools: USB Drive - Windows 10 Installation (Format and Clean Install)
Virus Protection: Windows Defender Antivirus (Built-in to Windows 10)
Office: - No Thanks

My last DS rig Lasted 10 years thanks to the Communities guidence.
Comments ? Am I thinking right ?
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  Quote HockeyBuck Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Sep 2019 at 11:50am

https://s3.ap-northeast-2.amazonaws.com/global.semi.static/SSD_970_PRO_EVO_Plus_Brochure_190311.pdf

Samsung says ... 970 Evo Plus M.2 NVME is the better performer.   
970 Evo Plus uses new 3 bit NAND memory...the older 970 Pro uses 2 bit.   
Sometimes things actually are less expensive for a reason.    

The better question is would any of us mortals here notice the speed difference between these two very fast SSD drives.   So the decision Roonie has to make is still performance or price....lol.   

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  Quote Roonie Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Sep 2019 at 12:14pm
HoneyBuck this is great info and facts to back it up! Please give thoughts on new build config I will change to newer Plus memory instead of pro Thanks
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  Quote HockeyBuck Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Sep 2019 at 1:57pm
New Lumos Build looks great.    You could go to Stage 2 Overclock on the excellent I7-9700K CPU as you do have sufficient cooling.   Solid Asus Strix mobo, top line Corsair Dominator RAM, fast Samsung M.2 Drive 1 selection.    All good components that will last a long time for you.

Since I know you are going to plug in a distinctly less capable GPU as a temporary budget measure, the gaming performance will only be seen properly when you do update to an NVidia RTX GPU.   I can recommend EVGA and their FTW3 Ultra line of 2070 and 2080 GPU’s as solid and dependable 3 fan performers with huge heatsinks when you do upgrade that GPU.

A suggestion for you to consider again is to update your case fans to better performing and longer warranty Corsair case fans for the very best airflow.     DS stock LED case fans will only carry the 1yr warranty of the system.     

Corsair LL Series fans are RGB LED (both hub led ring and outer shroud led ring controlled) with endless amazing visual effects that look very cool in the tempered glass Lumos case... and they are warranted for 2 yrs.      DS is only charging $199 for these uber popular case fans (fetching up to $30 -$35 per fan in the market).    

Corsair ML Series fans carry a 5 yr warranty, are top of line performers with even longer lasting magnetic levitation bearings but unfortunately the RGB LED effects in this model are far less interesting. DS is only asking $219 for the best.

The Corsair LL and ML fan upgrades both come with Corsair Lighting Node Pro’s which allow synchronization of the RGB effects via the Corsair iCue software.

    

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  Quote Roonie Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Sep 2019 at 3:20pm
Thank you for the info and your help
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  Quote Cretae Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Sep 2019 at 4:15am
Originally posted by HockeyBuck


https://s3.ap-northeast-2.amazonaws.com/global.semi.static/SSD_970_PRO_EVO_Plus_Brochure_190311.pdf

Samsung says ... 970 Evo Plus M.2 NVME is the better performer.   
970 Evo Plus uses new 3 bit NAND memory...the older 970 Pro uses 2 bit.   
Sometimes things actually are less expensive for a reason.    

The better question is would any of us mortals here notice the speed difference between these two very fast SSD drives.   So the decision Roonie has to make is still performance or price....lol.   



Didn't do my homework... and got caught out. Thanks, HB.

I agree with EVERYTHING my friend said, Roonie. (I WAS going to mention the case fans.) You've done very well, and you're well placed for when you upgrade.
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  Quote HockeyBuck Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Sep 2019 at 10:33am
Lol...Thanks Cretae...    Samsung made things way more confusing for everyone by creating a Plus line above Pro.....Not very smart marketing but we figured them out for Roonie...
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  Quote Cretae Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 03 Sep 2019 at 4:42am
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As of today if I were to get a new video card, which would you suggest better than the RTX 2070 Super GPU ?
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  Quote ThePinkGoat Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 04 Sep 2019 at 8:32am
The 2070 Super offers the best value dollar per pound if you get what I'm saying. It can do 2K and 1080p like a boss, if you're planning on 4K or planning on this build lasting your 10 years I would highly suggest the 2080 Super at a minimum. I myself ordered the 2080 Super to use on a 2K monitor, but I know I can go 4K down the road. So I'm planning for the future and so should you =)
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  Quote HockeyBuck Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 04 Sep 2019 at 12:48pm
PinkG has it right.    

You have put together a strong gaming rig with the stated desire to play all future games at best FPS.     The very best GPU to fulfill that requirement... for display at any resolution or mode... is the RTX 2080 Ti, followed by the RTX 2080 Super.    The 2080 Ti has more processing Cuda Cores and 11 GB VRAM on board compared to 8 GB on the 2080 Super.      Both of these GPU would be stronger and more future-proof choices than the mid range RTX 2070 Super.      

My advice is to get the very best GPU your budget will allow, just as you did with the other fine components of your new gaming build.    
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  Quote Cretae Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 05 Sep 2019 at 5:13am
The cards we're talking about are ageing. Everything comes with a cost. Can you eat the depreciation of power you don't use?

I can't agree that it's better to over-invest beyond what you need now with an eye toward the future. Not in video. The advances are hardly incremental. We have to acknowledge the likelihood that, by the time "the future" comes, the equivalent of the 2080 S will whomp a 2080 Ti at a much lower price point. Having $1400 invested in GPU overkill you've hardly used makes it pretty hard to just chuck that for the faster card, doesn't it?

To my thinking, you get the 2070 now, if that serves your needs, and you get the next gen card when that also serves your needs then. Likely you have less invested in the pair than an overkill 2080 Ti costs.

Common wisdom and Nvidia hints has the next gen coming out in 2020. Is it not safe to say the entire line will outperform its counterpart? How much do you want to spend on power you don't use that's obsolete in 9 months or so? If the object is to upgrade in the future, why not let the future come to you when it's this close?

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