Need a new computer but need advice.....

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   I am looking to buy a new computer pretty soon and while I have not been very serious about gaming since the death of Dark age of Camelot and when I was finally bored with raiding on WoW, I plan to get back into it once I find some games I am interested in. One thing that has been on my mind is the new 3d stuff coming out. My main question is should I wait for the new NVIDIA cards/3d glasses or will 1 GTX285 1gb and the current glasses handle the current software? I was planning on getting the additional GTX later when I figured the computer would need a boost (+ save some money). I have had the current computer for roughly 5-6 years so I am far out of date on current tech so any advice and/or criticism would be appreciated. Also as far as resolution I currently run 1360by768 but would likely move up once I get the next computer.  

As far as main preferences go:
1. I like the idea of 2x HDDs in Raid0, mainly curious about it and want to give it a shot in the next system
2. NVIDIA, I have run nothing but NVIDIA g-cards as long as I can remember so would like to stay with it.
3. I would prefer air cooled because I do not like the idea of liquid in something that costs 3k+ and has electricity running through it. 

So far the build looks like this: 375292

Chassis Model: Cooler Master Elite 310 (Black OPS Edition) 
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (Quad Core) 
Motherboard: EVGA X58 LE Edition SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports SLI or CrossFire)
System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 1200W Digital Storm Certified (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition Highly Recommended) 
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 2x (1TB Seagate/Western Digital (7200 RPM) (32MB Cache) (SATA) (Extreme Speed) 
Set 1 Raid Options: Configure HDD Set 1 to a Raid 0 Config - Stripe Performance (Requires Two HDDs) 
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: Blu-Ray Player/DVD Player (Play Blu-Ray and Play DVDs) 
Optical Drive 2: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 22x / CD-Writer 48x) (LightScribe Edition) 
Internet Access: Killer Xeno Pro (Optimized for Online Gaming) Lag and Latency Reduction 
Video Card: 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 285 CLASSIFIED Edition 1GB (Includes PhysX Technology) 
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 1: Noctua Dual 120mm Fans High Performance Cooler (Compatible With ONLY i7 Processors) 
H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected
Chassis Airflow: Upgrade Chassis With LED Performance Fans (Blue) (Up to 6 Fans) 
Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Blue)
Enhancements: NVIDIA Enthusiast System Architecture (ESA) System (Install, Test, Optimize Computer) 
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: Noise Suppression Package (Optimized Airflow & Fan Speeds with Noise Dampening Material) 
Boost Processor: FREE: Stage 1: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz (Requires Air Cooling Upgrade) 
Boost Video Card: FREE: Yes, Overclock the video card(s) as much as possible with complete stability 
Boost Memory: Yes, Overclock memory frequency (Includes Memory Fan Kit Installed) 
Boost OS: FREE: Yes, Disable and tweak all of the non-crucial services on the operating system 
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate (64-Bit Edition) 
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Benchmarking: - No Thanks
Install/Test Game: FREE: Please include a free copy of a hot-selling game 
Display: !PROMO BUNDLE: NVIDIA 3D Vision Kit (Samsung 22 inch 120Hz LCD + NVIDIA 3D Glasses)

*I would prefer the Corsair 1000w but was unsure since the other had highly recommended + silent is always nice.
*Also is there a point to getting Windows Ultimate if I am getting the non-crucial services cut out?

Thank you in advance for taking the time to read this.

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Naptyme Members Profile Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: 17 Jan 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 14	Quote Reply Topic: Need a new computer but need advice..... Posted: 19 Jan 2010 at 2:56pm
	I am looking to buy a new computer pretty soon and while I have not been very serious about gaming since the death of Dark age of Camelot and when I was finally bored with raiding on WoW, I plan to get back into it once I find some games I am interested in. One thing that has been on my mind is the new 3d stuff coming out. My main question is should I wait for the new NVIDIA cards/3d glasses or will 1 GTX285 1gb and the current glasses handle the current software? I was planning on getting the additional GTX later when I figured the computer would need a boost (+ save some money). I have had the current computer for roughly 5-6 years so I am far out of date on current tech so any advice and/or criticism would be appreciated. Also as far as resolution I currently run 1360by768 but would likely move up once I get the next computer. As far as main preferences go: 1. I like the idea of 2x HDDs in Raid0, mainly curious about it and want to give it a shot in the next system 2. NVIDIA, I have run nothing but NVIDIA g-cards as long as I can remember so would like to stay with it. 3. I would prefer air cooled because I do not like the idea of liquid in something that costs 3k+ and has electricity running through it. So far the build looks like this: 375292 Chassis Model: Cooler Master Elite 310 (Black OPS Edition) Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish Processor: Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (Quad Core) Motherboard: EVGA X58 LE Edition SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports SLI or CrossFire) System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested) Power Supply: 1200W Digital Storm Certified (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition Highly Recommended) Expansion Bay: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 2x (1TB Seagate/Western Digital (7200 RPM) (32MB Cache) (SATA) (Extreme Speed) Set 1 Raid Options: Configure HDD Set 1 to a Raid 0 Config - Stripe Performance (Requires Two HDDs) Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: Blu-Ray Player/DVD Player (Play Blu-Ray and Play DVDs) Optical Drive 2: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 22x / CD-Writer 48x) (LightScribe Edition) Internet Access: Killer Xeno Pro (Optimized for Online Gaming) Lag and Latency Reduction Video Card: 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 285 CLASSIFIED Edition 1GB (Includes PhysX Technology) Add-on Card: - No Thanks Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 1: Noctua Dual 120mm Fans High Performance Cooler (Compatible With ONLY i7 Processors) H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected Chassis Airflow: Upgrade Chassis With LED Performance Fans (Blue) (Up to 6 Fans) Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Blue) Enhancements: NVIDIA Enthusiast System Architecture (ESA) System (Install, Test, Optimize Computer) Chassis Mods: - No Thanks Noise Reduction: Noise Suppression Package (Optimized Airflow & Fan Speeds with Noise Dampening Material) Boost Processor: FREE: Stage 1: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz (Requires Air Cooling Upgrade) Boost Video Card: FREE: Yes, Overclock the video card(s) as much as possible with complete stability Boost Memory: Yes, Overclock memory frequency (Includes Memory Fan Kit Installed) Boost OS: FREE: Yes, Disable and tweak all of the non-crucial services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate (64-Bit Edition) Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based) Virus Protection: - No Thanks Office: - No Thanks Benchmarking: - No Thanks Install/Test Game: FREE: Please include a free copy of a hot-selling game Display: !PROMO BUNDLE: NVIDIA 3D Vision Kit (Samsung 22 inch 120Hz LCD + NVIDIA 3D Glasses) I would prefer the Corsair 1000w but was unsure since the other had highly recommended + silent is always nice. Also is there a point to getting Windows Ultimate if I am getting the non-crucial services cut out? Thank you in advance for taking the time to read this.

Sarah Members Profile Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Hardcore Gamer Joined: 07 Jun 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 879	Quote Reply Posted: 19 Jan 2010 at 3:33pm
	Drop the 285 Classified Edition, the only time I suggest that is if your going with the 4x sli classified motherboard, thats what those cards where designed for. So use the regular 285 card. ESA does not work with i7 because it is intel based and the esa was designed for nvidia based. Rather then Windows 7 ultimate, just go with Windows 7 professional, you can get the xp compatibility mode which is what most people upgrade for. Go with the 1000w corsair. You will need a bigger case, so get something bigger as well, the HAF 922 is a great choice in that regard.
	Sarah If you have sales questions, please contact [email protected]

Raif Members Profile Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 07 Nov 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 712	Quote Reply Posted: 19 Jan 2010 at 6:00pm
	1. raid 0 if you lose the raid unit or a drive your screwed 2. nvidia does not have dx11 support and the ati 5xxx series is better atm... nvidia's new card expected april/may. unless you are doing 3d video editing or folding we recomend the ati cards sicne they have dx11 support and scale better in dx10 games. 3. have no fear with LC it is non conductive so your hardware is safe. you get better temps under load (as long as it is real LC like frostchill and subzero... asetek is crap) follow what sarah says... and i have my own input too case: 922 (MT) or 932 (FT) psu: the 1000watt corasir is very quiet, extremly reliable, and has a great warranty the hdd volume is too large on the os. once yiou start to put a dent into it... it will take forever to mainatin, drefrag, scan, backup ect. if i knew your budget i could recccomend something killerzeno pro: pointless lag is isp dependant not hardware dependant. if you isp boggs down or the host isp your getting lag regardless of hardware save the money put it to something useful. video card: as sarah says not the right choice... give me your resolution and your overall budget so i can give you something better for your needs. upgraded fans: you wont need them with the noctua and they are going to make your system loud. esa: drop it read what sarah wrote noise suppression: all it does is trap noise in... with that hot air... your choking your system with it vid boost: you will only gain a measly 7%-10% from it and it creates a lot of heat making your components run hotter. you wont notice the difference we are talking minimal fps gain on 1 card. mem boost: you wont notice the difference between 1600mhz and 2000mhz in gaming no point to it os boost: unless you know what your doing with the os i would stay away from it. os: go pro ult is a waste you have no need for it. virus protection: get eset 4 display:... the only 3d game i know of is res evil 5. check out dell and www.newegg.com for monitors. a good panel has a min of 170+ identical ht/vt display viewing angles. once we know what your monitor is then we can give you a video card. give us the following info and we will design one for you budget resolution use of comp if gaming which ones and what would you like to play that you can't Edited by Raif - 19 Jan 2010 at 6:01pm
	2.5 Ghz Core duo Nvidia 9500 gt 3 gb 1033 Mhz ram if we can't answer a question shoot a e-mail here. [email protected]

Kyu Members Profile Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Groupie Joined: 29 Nov 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 421	Quote Reply Posted: 19 Jan 2010 at 7:47pm
	hmmm.... Case strongly suggest the 932. has enough room for future upgrades and long lasting actually nvidia does have cards that support DX11 But for high end gaming, ATI has better/faster cards that support DX11 ok about noise suppression, it's not going to be so hot it'll choke your system unless it's so packed with dust theres no heat exchange going on. but that's a different story. either way it wont make a huge difference on sound, mainly cause you'd have to speed up the fans to create better airflow. ram speed 1600mhz vs 2000mhz will make some amount of difference but nothing major if you're just gaming with your pc. especially during OC. only reason why i wouldnt mind a 2000mhz ddr3 is if I can lower it down to 1600mhz running at CL5 or less @ low volts and yeah corsair psu is the way to go

justin.kerr Members Profile Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List DS Veteran Joined: 06 May 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5084	Quote Reply Posted: 19 Jan 2010 at 9:21pm
	what Nvidia card does Dx11? lol 2000Mhz RAM at CAS 5? not going to happen at 1600Mhz


DST4ME Members Profile Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List DS ELITE Joined: 14 Apr 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 36758	Quote Reply Posted: 19 Jan 2010 at 9:54pm
	ssd will give you better performance then raid of HDD. Here you go Ticket# 375471 --- Price: $3672 (To see this build click here) Price after current promotion $3672 Copy of Specifications: Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Cooler Master HAF 932 Exterior Finish: - Not Available Trim Accents: - Not Available Processor: Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (Quad Core) Motherboard: EVGA X58 Micro Edition SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports SLI or CrossFire) System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested) Power Supply: 1000W Corsair (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) Expansion Bay: - Not Available Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (256GB Solid State (By: Corsair) (Model: CMFSSD-256GBG2D) Set 1 Raid Options: - Not Available Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 22x / CD-Writer 48x) Optical Drive 2: Blu-Ray Player/DVD Writer (Play Blu-Ray and Burn DVDs) Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: 2x SLI Dual (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 275 896MB (Includes PhysX Technology) Add-on Card: - No Thanks Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 1: Noctua Dual 120mm Fans High Performance Cooler (Compatible With ONLY i7 Processors) H20 Tube Color:- Not Available Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Red) Enhancements: - Not Available Chassis Mods: - Not Available Noise Reduction: - Not Available Boost Processor: FREE: Stage 1: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz (Requires Air Cooling Upgrade) Boost Video Card: - Not Available Boost Memory: - Not Available Boost OS: - Not Available Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional (64-Bit Edition) Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based) Virus Protection: - Not Available Office: - Not Available Benchmarking: - Not Available Install/Test Game: FREE: Please include a free copy of a hot-selling game Display: !PROMO BUNDLE: NVIDIA 3D Vision Kit (Samsung 22 inch 120Hz LCD + NVIDIA 3D Glasses) Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks External Storage: - No Thanks Exclusive T-Shirt: FREE: Digital Storm T-Shirt - White (Large) Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-10 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty now if you want 3d support I would wait for the fermi.
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Naptyme Members Profile Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: 17 Jan 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 14	Quote Reply Posted: 20 Jan 2010 at 9:17am
	Wow, first off thank you guys for all the info. You guys have pretty much answered most of my questions but some of the stuff mentioned has brought up new questions. 1. I have been reading some articles and different posts around here and seems that ATI is now the g-card of choice. Will the ATI cards be compatible with the 3d glasses? or will they make their own after awhile? 2. I looked at the SSD hard drives but they just seem to be too expensive right now compared to just running 2 hard drives in Raid0, how much of an increase is it? 3. I know on the pull down menu there is not an option for a smaller hard drive but if I talked to someone at DS do you think it would be possible to buy like 2x300 or 2x500 hard drives? 4. I originally wanted the 932 but i read on one article about how loud it is and that worried me so that was why I dropped down to the other one. Are the issues with it fixed? 5. Which ATI card do you guys recommend between the 5870, 5870 XFX HD, 5970. I will likely get 1 now and add an additional one at a later time. 6. This may sound strange but I never built a computer to run at a specific resolution, I always just get what I feel is the best computer I can buy in my price range and run it at whatever resolution I feel it looks best at. What resolution should I be shooting for? I currently have a 23inch Hannspree widescreen (max resolution is 1920x1080) that I will be using as the monitor if I do not get the 3d glasses combo.

Naptyme Members Profile Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: 17 Jan 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 14	Quote Reply Posted: 20 Jan 2010 at 9:20am
	I almost forgot, if I did get the windows tweaks and found out that I was missing out something I needed couldn't I just re-install windows? I would assume that everything needed for gaming, online gaming, and surfing the internet would all be retained.

Sarah Members Profile Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Hardcore Gamer Joined: 07 Jun 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 879	Quote Reply Posted: 20 Jan 2010 at 2:13pm
	If you do get the windows tweaks, and want something re-enabled it is very easy to do so and im sure many folks here on the forums as well as our technical staff could help you do so.
	Sarah If you have sales questions, please contact [email protected]

Naptyme Members Profile Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Newbie Joined: 17 Jan 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 14	Quote Reply Posted: 20 Jan 2010 at 2:19pm
	Sweet, because that was one of the reasons I was very interested in buying a computer here. I hate buying a comp and have it loaded down with stuff I will never need/use. Sadly, I will have to wait towards march to buy one because the ATI cards will not work with the 3d vision.

DST4ME Members Profile Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List DS ELITE Joined: 14 Apr 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 36758	Quote Reply Posted: 20 Jan 2010 at 10:08pm
	re enalbling services is not always that easy, cause sometimes we just don't know all the services that is needed, so therefore I would recommend against windows tweak and also you will not notice the difference. if you reinstall, nothing will be retained, all games/apps and etc will all have to be reinstalled from fresh, the only games that you maybe able to save are the ones that don't use any regkeys, which most games/apps do. also in these days of quad core, 6GB of ram and etc, windows tweak will not help much, these pcs can run 4 or more operating systems and not even flinch. the windows tweaks made the biggest difference in the xp days when we were single core and 1GB of ram, we disabled services to free up ram for other things, now in days we got 4GB or 6GB of ram, disabling services will not help any apps or games run any faster, and the difference in the os itself is so little you won't notice it. as for the rest of your questions: 1. ati gives the best performance in games, but for 3d stuff you better wait for the new nvidia cards. 2. raid does not improve seektime and ssds have zero seektime, so even in raid a good ssd will do better but yes prices are high. 3. you can request whatever you like, it will just cost more. 4. whoever told you that the 932 is a loud case is an idiot, plus if you are worried about noise, 90% of your noise comes from your gpu's fans, so no matter what, the gpu fans under load will over power the sound of anything else. 5. if you do go with ati you want the regular version, leave the xfx alone, and the one you want would be the 5870.
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