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    Posted: 23 Nov 2019 at 9:37pm
Budget:
2000-2500(before discounts).

Expectations:
general gaming and browsing

Usage:
Gaming, Internet Browsing, netflix/movies/video. I mostly play Elder Scrolls Online, Doom, and Skyrim. I am looking forward to playing the new Doom, (the already released) Shadow of the Tomb Raider, along with having some moderate VR capability. I do not have VR equipment yet, but hope to buy some within the next year. I also plan to expand my gaming horizon and sample other modern games.

My computer is my TV/media interface and it is on at least 10 hrs daily.

I previously had these core components:

-Intel® Core™ i7-6700 (8MB Cache, up to 4.0GHz with Turbo Boost Technology) Includes Hyper-Threading
-NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX™ 970 with 4GB GDDR5
-16GB Dual Channel DDR4 at 2133M
-256GB PCIe SSD (Boot) + 1TB (64MB Cache) 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s



Special Needs:
I would like this rig to be capable of yet-to-be released games at   moderately high performance; I don't need anything super high end. I would like to get into VR eventually and have moderate-good functionality. Please advise on overkill or deficiency. I tweaked things based off other posts I read; but i am no expert.

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Specifications:
Chassis Model: Digital Storm Lynx
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i9-9900K (5.0 GHz Turbo) (16-Thread) (8-Core) 3.6 GHz
Motherboard: ASUS Prime Z390-P (Intel Z390 Chipset) (Up to 2x PCI-E Devices) (No SLI Support)
System Memory: 16GB DDR4 3200MHz Digital Storm Performance Series
Power Supply: 850W Corsair RM850x (Fully Modular)
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Optical Drive: - No Thanks
Storage Set 1: 1x SSD (500GB Digital Storm Performance Series)
Storage Set 2: 1x Storage (2TB Seagate / Toshiba / Hitachi)
Storage Set 3: - No Thanks
RAID Config: - No Thanks
RAID Card: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Graphics Card(s): 1x GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8GB (VR Ready)
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
HPC Processor: - No Thanks
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 2: Digital Storm Vortex Liquid CPU Cooler (Dual Fan) (Fully Sealed + No Maintenance)
HydroLux Tubing Style: - Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected
HydroLux Fluid Color: - Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected
Cable Management: Premium Cable Management (Strategically Routed & Organized for Airflow)
Chassis Fans: Digital Storm Performance Series (RGB Fans)
Internal Lighting: Remote Controlled Advanced LED Lighting System (Multiple RGB Color Modes)
Airflow Control: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
LaserMark: Option Not Available
Boost Processor: Stock Factory Turbo Boost Advanced Automatic Overclocking
Boost Graphics Card(s): - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Home (64-Bit Edition)
Recovery Tools: USB Drive - Windows 10 Installation (Format and Clean Install)
Virus Protection: Windows Defender Antivirus (Built-in to Windows 10)
Office: - No Thanks
Mouse Pad: - No Thanks
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
Branded Gear: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 10-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty (3 Year Labor & 1 Year Part Replacement)


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  Quote HockeyBuck Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Nov 2019 at 10:31pm
Welcome to the forum kcv2012...

Reading clearly what you want this gaming rig to be able to do with future games, I think you should shoot for stronger video to make more certain you get that performance.   I think the RTX 2080 Super would be a stronger bet to perform at high settings farther down the road.    

I also made some changes so you use the 5X faster Drive1 500GB Samsung Evo 970 Pro M.2 NVME SSD, switch to the better Corsair Vengeance 16GB RAM, and better Stage 2 Corsair H100i 240 mm AIO CPU Cooler, and better Corsair LL Series fan kit.    DS branded parts only have the 1 yr system parts warranty, while Corsair RAM, AIO CPU cooler and LL fans all carry longer Corsair warranties.

You were using the lowest entry level motherboard, I recommend the stronger quality Asus Z390 ROG Strix-H as a better choice. I own one and it’s a very solid full feature dependable quality board.

You were also missing the Free Stage 1 Overclock on the excellent I9-9900K processor, and Intel K Class processors are engineered by Intel to be fully Overclocked. You have enough cooling, and this is about CPU performance you pay for, but won’t get unless you do Overclock the CPU.   DS knows how to do it right.

Here is a reworked build to show you exponential performance and component quality improvement for very little extra cash, thanks to the DS Sale and $300 off!.

Lynx build2. Config # 2732103.   $3036 - DS Sale $300 Off = $2736 Total

Much higher performance for a great price.   See what you think.....

Edited by HockeyBuck - 23 Nov 2019 at 10:33pm
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  Quote Cretae Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Nov 2019 at 5:33am
Since you now have a 970 GPU, and you are asking for moderate, not "super high end" performance, the RTX 2070 SUPER you selected is your sweet spot. It fits your budget better, and it's over TWICE AS FAST (~120%) and far more capable in every way than the 970 you're using now. If you are on a 1080p monitor, it is actually a bit overkill, and it's THE price/performance master at 1440p. (73 fps on Ultra in Return of the Tomb Raider) It will perform just great at VR. The 2080 SUPER is only 15% stronger for very little noticeable gain. It's only if you insist on Ultra settings in everything, which you obviously do not. Nvidia is likely within a year of replacing the whole line again, so I can't recommend more than you need.

Many of the other replacements suggested, however are pretty much must-haves.

You could do just as well, however saving $112 on the i7 9700K CPU which overclocks well and performs just as well as the 9900K for gaming. There is virtually no difference between them unless you have need of the extra threads. Gaming doesn't.

Since the Lynx comes standard with pretty fans, you might not wish to pay $200 for Corsairs. According to specs, the standard ones move a tad more air, but the Corsairs are probably a bit quieter, and they allow for control of the colors. I see now there is a less expensive Corsair option which has all the features of the more expensive set. (Quiet, controllable, warranty.)

If you back off the CPU and GPU, and get the more economical Corsairs, you'd be at $2561 before discounts. Choices, choices....

Edited by Cretae - 24 Nov 2019 at 5:38am
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  Quote HockeyBuck Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Nov 2019 at 1:15pm
Agree with Cretae that the I7-9700K 8-core 8-thread CPU is neck and neck in gaming with the slightly better I9-9900K 8-core 16-thread CPU.

We would disagree on the best GPU to accomplish your goals here..lol.   Your desire for strong performance in present & with future titles is the reason I think you have to ignore old tech cards you have used and try to exceed your current uses in order to improve the odds of your new card meeting your needs in several years time.   The word overkill gets used a lot, but really, overkill is paying for that 15-20% better performance now in order to be able to use it happily for further years down the road.   In my experience, it’s worth paying a little extra to have more years using your purchase at solid frame rates and performance before you require buying an upgraded video card.    If you do prefer replacing video cards every couple years, then by all means go with the excellent midrange RTX 2070 Super.    If you don’t like buying a new GPU every couple years, then you go after the very best video card you can afford right now like the RTX 2080 Super or 2080 Ti and just plan to use it for longer.   The 2080 Super will exceed you current requirements, but has a better chance of continuing to serve well at high or ultra game settings in the next few years ahead.   

Edited by HockeyBuck - 24 Nov 2019 at 1:48pm
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  Quote kcv2012 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Nov 2019 at 2:16pm
Thank you both for the feedback. I will definitely make a few changes with your suggestions. I really need to stay around the 2500 prior to the discount, but I do understand this is along term investment. I have some tough decisions to make regarding my budget.

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  Quote kcv2012 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Nov 2019 at 11:04pm
I ended up keeping the RTX 2070 Super and the slightly better I9-9900K; I and made all of the other changes except for the chassis Fan. I went with the 280mm Corsair cooler instead of the 240mm.

I ended up at 2574 pre-discount

Config ID 2733863      

Chassis Model: Digital Storm Lynx
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i9-9900K (5.0 GHz Turbo) (16-Thread) (8-Core) 3.6 GHz
Motherboard: ASUS ROG Strix Z390-H Gaming (Intel Z390 Chipset) (Up to 3x PCI-E Devices)
System Memory: 16GB DDR4 3000MHz Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro (RGB Light Bar)
Power Supply: 850W Corsair RM850x (Fully Modular)
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Optical Drive: - No Thanks
Storage Set 1: 1x SSD M.2 (512GB Samsung 970 PRO) (NVM Express) (Extreme Performance)
Storage Set 2: 1x Storage (2TB Seagate / Toshiba / Hitachi)
Storage Set 3: - No Thanks
RAID Config: - No Thanks
RAID Card: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Graphics Card(s): 1x GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8GB (VR Ready)
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
HPC Processor: - No Thanks
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 2: Corsair H115i PRO - 280mm Liquid CPU Cooler (Fully Sealed + No Maintenance)
HydroLux Tubing Style: - Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected
HydroLux Fluid Color: - Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected
Cable Management: Premium Cable Management (Strategically Routed & Organized for Airflow)
Chassis Fans: Digital Storm Performance Series (RGB Fans)
Internal Lighting: Remote Controlled Advanced LED Lighting System (Multiple RGB Color Modes)
Airflow Control: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
LaserMark: Option Not Available
CPU Boost: Stage 1: Overclock CPU - Up to 4.7GHz on All CPU Cores
Graphics Boost: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
OS Boost: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home (64-Bit Edition)
Recovery Tools: USB Drive - Windows 10 Installation (Format and Clean Install)
Virus Protection: Windows Defender Antivirus (Built-in to Windows 10)
Office: - No Thanks
Mouse Pad: - No Thanks
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
Branded Gear: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 10-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty (
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  Quote Cretae Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Nov 2019 at 6:16am
I don't think you'll be disappointed.

Good to know Hockybuck's rationale for pushing a budget for more GPU than you need or perhaps even want.

Here's mine:

I am all about acquiring the right card for your monitor. In this particular case, that appears to be the RTX 2070 (S), (but may actually be the 2060 (S), because we still don't know your resolution).

It used to be pretty cut and dried matching GPU to monitor. but it also used to be rare if anyone had a monitor that refreshed higher than 60 fps. Even more to the point, the price spread in (Nvidia) GPUs from top to bottom might be ~$500. Now, it's $1000.


What we have in this exact case is the urge to spend almost 50% more for a (meager?) 15% bump in performance. HB says yes so maybe your needs are met 5 years down the road. I say no, because inevitably there will be two new generations of cards out by then, all powerfully exceeding the ones we have now. I say, save your $293, and get the next gen card at about the same price point you're at now that will quite likely outperform the 2080 (S). The one after that maybe 3 years from now will KILL the 2080 at around this price. The RTX 2070 (S) matches the last gen GTX 1080; the 2080 (S) matches the 1080 Ti; the 2060 (S) beats out the 1070 (Ti!); with tech advances the last generation can't touch. These GTXs were the overkill cards last gen.

Hockeybuck says, "...really, overkill is paying for that 15-20% better performance now in order to be able to use it happily for further years down the road."

I say, overkill is wasting the money now you can use later to get that 15-20% better performance (and better tech) without having to overpay for it.

There's nothing at all wrong with different perspectives brought to the table here. Two or more points of view help the process IMHO.
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  Quote kcv2012 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Nov 2019 at 1:09pm
That is really the concept that brought me here to buy a new machine.

I've been wanting to upgrade to a DS made PC for a while now. I've had low end alienware in the recent past and have had problems with my last two purchases.

The reason I have the opportunity to make this purchase is because my GTX 970 died. I was thinking of upgrading to a slightly better GPU but realized that money could just go towards quality that will last me quite some time.


Ultimately I think I split the difference between the both of your input that will give me max performance and longevity without breaking the bank (and I am able to revive my soon to be ex-PC for about 1/2 the cost of the 293$ upgrade to the 2080)
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