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keitht06
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Topic: Need Advice Posted: 16 Sep 2013 at 8:08am |
I am looking for some advice on this build. I have been tweaking it back and forth for probably the past month. I have been reading review after review about the components I have selected for this rig. I am trying to get the best bang for my buck.
My biggest concern is do I have enough cooling or do I have too much?. Is there anywhere that I can save some money in this build? Saving $30 is not my concern, but saving $100+ is something I will look at. Another question is the ssd. I have read that two ways to go for gaming is the 840 pro series from Samsung or the Corsair Neutron GTX series as well as a few others not offered here. I chose the 512gb 840 series because of the size and yet the Corsair 480gb cost +$7 more than this Samsung. Is the Corsair better than the Samsung? In my eyes more space is better. I do plan to SLI in the near future. I do know that the 780 is a very solid card and I do know that I could get two lower end cards that will equal better. I plan to purchase another 780 by the beginning of the new year and then I will have more than I need for a couple years. Budget: $3100 or less. Will be purchasing Monitor separate. After reading a ton about my selection I will be purchasing the ASUS VG248QE 24-Inch Screen LED-lit Monitor Expectations: I would like it to be able to keep up with future games coming out over the next few years without me having to continually upgrade the system Usage: This is a gaming rig. I play all the COD series. Waiting for BF4,COD:Ghosts and a MMO here and there. Saved Ticket #: 871225 Specifications: Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Digital Storm ODE V3 Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish Processor: Intel Core i7 4770K 3.50 GHz (Unlocked CPU) (Quad Core) Motherboard: ASUS Sabertooth Z87 (Intel Z87 Chipset) (Features Thermal Armor and Thermal Radar) System Memory: 16GB DDR3 2133MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested) <b></b> Power Supply: 1050W Corsair Pro Silver 1050HX (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) Expansion Bay: - No Thanks Optical Drive: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x) Storage Set 1: 1x (512GB Solid State (By: Samsung) (Model: 840 Pro Series) Storage Set 2: - No Thanks Storage Set 3: - No Thanks RAID Config: - No Thanks RAID Card: - No Thanks Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Graphics Card(s): 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780 3GB (Includes PhysX) Sound Card: Creative Labs Recon3D Fatal1ty Champion 5.1 (Includes Front I/O) (PCI-Express Slot Based) HPC Processor: - No Thanks Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 2: Digital Storm Vortex 240mm Radiator Liquid CPU Cooler (Extreme-Performance Edition) H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected Chassis Fans: Standard Factory Chassis Fans Internal Lighting: - No Thanks Airflow Control: - No Thanks Chassis Mods: - No Thanks Noise Reduction: - No Thanks LaserMark: - No Thanks Boost Processor: Stage 1: Overclock CPU 4.0GHz to 4.4GHz Boost Graphics Card(s): Yes, Overclock the video card(s) as much as possible with complete stability Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory Boost OS: Yes, Disable and tweak all of the non-crucial services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows CD) Virus Protection: - No Thanks Office: - No Thanks Game: - No Thanks Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks External Storage: - No Thanks Exclusive T-Shirt: FREE: Digital Storm T-Shirt - Black (Large) Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 10-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed Warranty: Life-time Expert Customer Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty |
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bprat22
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Quote Reply Posted: 16 Sep 2013 at 9:36am |
Hi keitht06.... Nice build. To save a few bucks, drop to 8GB of 1600mhz ram. Gaming doesn't need more than 8gb and the faster ram speed won't be seen. Plus, the faster speed does put more stress on the memory controller and cause overclock instability. Not all the time but can happen. Most go to 16GB "just in case", so your choice.
I would select the Noctua d14 air cooler. It cools just as well, is quiet and very reliable. Not much to go wrong with a large block of cooling fins. If you want the sealed cooling units, select the H100i.. A better unit with better fans, rad and tubing. The sealed units 240mm rad does mount under the top and replace the 200mm case fan on top. For tops in case cooling, the HafX is the best. Its front 230mm fan and front and side 200mm fans are slow moving, quiet and move lots of air. The ODE 600T case is also nice and will work. Others will comment on the ssd. I think they're both good. Hope this helps and good luck.
Edited by bprat22 - 16 Sep 2013 at 9:41am |
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fstcvc
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Quote Reply Posted: 16 Sep 2013 at 10:07am |
bprat22 is correct when talking about the RAM. 1600 is all you need and will provide a more stable OC. 8GB is more than enough for "just gaming" but having 16GB now might save you time of upgrading in the future. Samsung 840 Pro SSD is the choice of many of us on the forums. It's currently the the speed champ when it comes to SSD's and has good reliability to boot! As far as cooling goes, the Noctura will be more reliable than a closed loop water cooler and provide the same amount of cooling. I know Arwen built a similar rig a little bit ago using the ODE case, GTX 780 and the Noctura (not sure if addition fans were added). Here's a link to her build thread. The HAF X case is a full tower so it will give your system more room to breathe - just make sure you have space for this monster! One last thing is that I would not OC the GPU. Not much to gain unless you're bench racing and will shorten the lifespan of the component. You might want to find out about possibly special ordering the EVGA SuperClocked GTX780 - it has nearly the same performance as a stock Titan.
Otherwise looks like a solid build and you're well on your way to gaming paradise! Edited by fstcvc - 16 Sep 2013 at 10:09am |
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keitht06
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Quote Reply Posted: 16 Sep 2013 at 12:20pm |
Thanks for the advice.
I have another question concerning the motherboard. I went to Asus.com and compared the Sabertooth and the Gryphon right next to each other. By my understanding the largest differences between the two is the Thermal Armor. Which by my understanding is like a giant dust cover. Would I be loosing anything by dropping down from the Sabertooth to the Gryphon other than the $100 I will save? |
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Quote Reply Posted: 16 Sep 2013 at 12:28pm |
Good question. First, the Thermal Armor is standard on the Sabertooth and optional for extra cost with Gryphon. But more important for you is that Gryphon is a mini size mobo and only has 4x Pcie slots. If you sli then no room for your sound card, etc. The Sabertooth is a full size mobo with more slots and more spacing between the sli cards. Gtx 780 is a double wide card that plugs into a single slot but overhangs 2 slots.
If you don't need a sound card, integrated is pretty good, then Gryphon works but still the cards are closer together. Edited by bprat22 - 16 Sep 2013 at 12:31pm |
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keitht06
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Quote Reply Posted: 16 Sep 2013 at 12:48pm |
So If I were to special order the EVGA SuperClocked GTX780 as fstcvc mentioned and not move towards sli in the future the Gyphon would be fine. Other than the fact that the sound card and graphics card would be fairly close together. Having them closer together , will that produce more heat?
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Quote Reply Posted: 16 Sep 2013 at 12:57pm |
I believe the card fst refered to is the oc'd card with the dual fan ACX cooler. Real nice card. It does however dump alot of its heat into the case and not out the back and out of the case. With that card in top Pci slot and having DS mount the sound card in lowest slot, it shouldn't be an issue. The ODE or HafX case have the airflow to get rid of it.
If you stay with single card then no problem. Actually, a singlr 780 with a 1920x1080 monitor is darn good gaming. If you decide to go Gryphon and single card you can lower psu to the EVGA750w SuperNova to save a few more bucks. But the 1050hx is also a real nice psu. EVGA is full modular and HX is semi modular with only mobo cables hard wired in. |
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keitht06
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Quote Reply Posted: 16 Sep 2013 at 1:10pm |
thx for the advice, much appreciated
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bprat22
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Quote Reply Posted: 16 Sep 2013 at 1:28pm |
You're welcome.
Keep us updated on your progress. |
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keitht06
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Quote Reply Posted: 16 Sep 2013 at 8:30pm |
Ok narrowing it down in the motherboard area. If I select the Level 3 setup of the ODE. DS has it setup with the ASUS Z87-C (Intel Z87 Chipset). Once again I checked it out on Asus.com and it measures slightly smaller than the Sabertooth, but not by much. If I am not concerned with SLI and I have already contacted DS about the superclocked 780, should I have any other concerns with that motherboard?, within this build 871787
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fstcvc
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Quote Reply Posted: 16 Sep 2013 at 10:37pm |
@keitht06 - Even that motherboard should be fine. The best part about either the Gryphon or Sabertooth is that they have a 5 year warranty over the 3 that you'd get with the Z87-C. Personally I would probably opt for at least the Gryphon as it was designed more for high performance machines. I also believe the Gryphon/Sabertooth boards offer better onboard audio. Does anyone know or have any experience about this?
@bprat22 (& keitht06) - EVGA makes 2 different SuperClocked GTX780's. I was thinking of the one that still has the reference style cooler but one could go with the ACX cooler version with even higher performance. I just also realized they make 2 FTW versions (standard & classified) with even higher performance - both of these use the ACX Style cooling system. Edited by fstcvc - 16 Sep 2013 at 10:39pm |
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Quote Reply Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 8:30am |
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Quote Reply Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 8:58am |
The second one you listed was the one I was thinking of originally. It boosts performance to levels near the Titan but retains the reference cooler to push heat outside of the case rather than inside. The first one you listed is the standard FTW model. Higher boost and employing the dual fan ACX setup. For longevity, I'd choose the the reference cooled SC - a decent amount of OC (covered by EVGA's warranty) without putting too much stress on the components like the even higher OC'd versions. Plus it'll reduce the amount of heat being added to the inside of your case - especially when you go to SLI.
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Quote Reply Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 9:20am |
So then my only dilemma is the mobo. While trying to keep the price down I would love to have the sabertooth and that card. The Gryphon however and that card is more reasonable, but I worry that the Gryphon only having 4 PCIe slots will place that card and my sound card to close together. Then if I ever want to SLI in the future I just wont have the room to do so.
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keitht06
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Quote Reply Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 10:35am |
So looks like I finalized on this build #871916
Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Digital Storm ODE V3 Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish Processor: Intel Core i7 4770K 3.50 GHz (Unlocked CPU) (Quad Core) Motherboard: ASUS Sabertooth Z87 (Intel Z87 Chipset) (Features Thermal Armor and Thermal Radar) System Memory: 16GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested) Power Supply: 1050W Corsair Pro Silver 1050HX (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) Expansion Bay: - No Thanks Optical Drive: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x) Storage Set 1: 1x (512GB Solid State (By: Samsung) (Model: 840 Pro Series) Storage Set 2: - No Thanks Storage Set 3: - No Thanks RAID Config: - No Thanks RAID Card: - No Thanks Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Graphics Card(s): 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780 3GB (Includes PhysX) Sound Card: Creative Labs Recon3D Fatal1ty Champion 5.1 (Includes Front I/O) (PCI-Express Slot Based) HPC Processor: - No Thanks Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 2: Corsair H100i 240mm Radiator Liquid CPU Cooler (Extreme-Performance Edition) H20 Tube Color: - Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected Chassis Fans: Standard Factory Chassis Fans Internal Lighting: - No Thanks Airflow Control: - No Thanks Chassis Mods: - No Thanks Noise Reduction: - No Thanks LaserMark: - No Thanks CPU Boost: Stage 1: Overclock CPU 4.0GHz to 4.4GHz Graphics Boost: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Memory Boost: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory OS Boost: Yes, Disable and tweak all of the non-crucial services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows CD) Virus Protection: - No Thanks Office: - No Thanks Game: - No Thanks Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks External Storage: - No Thanks Exclusive T-Shirt: FREE: Digital Storm T-Shirt - Black (Large) Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 10-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed Warranty: Life-time Expert Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty (3 Year Labor & 1 Year Part Replacement) Upgrade: EVGA SuperClocked 03G-P4-2783-KR GeForce GTX 780 3GB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 SLI Support Video Card If anyone thinks I can downgrade to the Gryphon I will, but if it doesn't make sense I will spend the extra for the Sabertooth. I know it's 6 of one and half dozen of the other, but if I can save somewhere I will. |
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Quote Reply Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 11:13am |
Using the stock style cooler, the closer placement won't be as much of an issue with heat compared to running the models with the twin fan/ACX style cooler. There was another forum user who had 2 ASUS 780's with the twin fans and the top card was running near 100 ºC! I think the ODE has a better case cooling system and with the stock style coolers moving majority of heated air out the back, it should be fine. The GPU's will self clock depending on temperature, so the cooler you can keep them, the faster they'll run. Also, if you ever decide to add any internal cards (sound, wifi, etc) you won't be able to run SLI or vise-versa.
Also, one thing to note about OS. Unless you just absolutely despise Win8 and/or use apps not supported by it, DirectX 11.1 requires it to get all the features so it is better for gaming (I think BF4 utilizes this since they recommend Win8 although still supported by lesser versions). Just something to think about as it doesn't cost anything to have it. |
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Quote Reply Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 11:16am |
To sli and keep the sound card, the Sabertooth is it. If you feel the single 780 is it, and probably is, then the Gryphon will work. The sound card and single 780 won't be too close together with Gryphon. What I meant earlier about cards being close together was if you went sli and used the 780's with ACX coolers that dump the heat into the case. There wouldn't be a slot in-between the cards in sli for better air flow.
Looks good. I still like the air coolers for cpu but everyone to their own. What fstvcv said , also.
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keitht06
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Quote Reply Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 2:28pm |
Final Decision....I think lol # 871993
Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Digital Storm ODE V3 Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish Processor: Intel Core i7 4770K 3.50 GHz (Unlocked CPU) (Quad Core) Motherboard: ASUS Gryphon Z87 (Intel Z87 Chipset) (Features Thermal Radar) (MATX) System Memory: 16GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested) Power Supply: 1050W Corsair Pro Silver 1050HX (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) Expansion Bay: - No Thanks Optical Drive: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x) Storage Set 1: 1x (512GB Solid State (By: Samsung) (Model: 840 Pro Series) Storage Set 2: - No Thanks Storage Set 3: - No Thanks RAID Config: - No Thanks RAID Card: - No Thanks Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Graphics Card(s): 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780 3GB (Includes PhysX) Sound Card: Creative Labs Recon3D Fatal1ty Champion 5.1 (Includes Front I/O) (PCI-Express Slot Based) HPC Processor: - No Thanks Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 2: Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 Extreme Performance H20 Tube Color: - Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected Chassis Fans: Standard Factory Chassis Fans Internal Lighting: - No Thanks Airflow Control: - No Thanks Chassis Mods: - No Thanks Noise Reduction: - No Thanks LaserMark: - No Thanks CPU Boost: Stage 1: Overclock CPU 4.0GHz to 4.4GHz Graphics Boost: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Memory Boost: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory OS Boost: Yes, Disable and tweak all of the non-crucial services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows CD) Virus Protection: - No Thanks Office: - No Thanks Game: - No Thanks Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks External Storage: - No Thanks Exclusive T-Shirt: FREE: Digital Storm T-Shirt - Black (Large) Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 10-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed Warranty: Life-time Expert Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty (3 Year Labor & 1 Year Part Replacement) My only worry with the cooling system is dust. More fans to me means more dust and that Noctua looks like a couple fans coupled together with some heatsinks. More places for dust to get into. |
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Quote Reply Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 2:43pm |
Clean your pc once a week, it will take 2 seconds if you do it once a week.
the less fans the less airflow the higher the temps. No matter what you get it will use fans. |
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bprat22
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Quote Reply Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 2:47pm |
The Noctua does have 2 fans but so does the H100i. Really no difference.
To keep dust under control, don't put it on the floor where dust and pet hair like to swirl around. Simply putting the rig a couple of feet off the floor, on a desk, file cabinet, old tv stand, etc. makes a big difference. I have my ODE on a file cabinet, have 3 cats that shed and have forced hot air heating. Very little dust gets in. I like your latest build. Real nice. Go for it. Edited by bprat22 - 17 Sep 2013 at 2:49pm |
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Quote Reply Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 2:55pm |
All systems will have fans (liquid cooling still has air cooling the radiators!). Just clean it out every week or two as suggested by DST4ME and you should be good and/or keep it off the floor...
Lastest config looks solid! Edited by fstcvc - 17 Sep 2013 at 3:26pm |
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Quote Reply Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 3:06pm |
Its DST4ME not DUST. Unless you guys have an inside joke going on.
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Quote Reply Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 3:13pm |
LOL what I miss? oh wait I see it lol I hope thats a typo
I assume if you want to stay away from dust then you stay away from Dust4me's advise since Dust4me is an expert in Dust getting in Edited by DST4ME - 17 Sep 2013 at 3:15pm |
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Quote Reply Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 3:27pm |
Oops, typo... Brain thinking one thing and my fingers typing another...
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Quote Reply Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 3:28pm |
no matter what when it comes to staying away from Dust stay away from Dust4me's advise
lol that made my day, thanks Edited by DST4ME - 17 Sep 2013 at 3:28pm |
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keitht06
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Quote Reply Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 9:15pm |
First I need to thank everyone for helping me narrow this all down within a tight budget. Only reason I am slightly over my budget is do to the graphics card.
Absolute Final Build: 872102 Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Digital Storm ODE V3 Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish Processor: Intel Core i7 4770K 3.50 GHz (Unlocked CPU) (Quad Core) Motherboard: ASUS Sabertooth Z87 (Intel Z87 Chipset) (Features Thermal Armor and Thermal Radar) System Memory: 16GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested) Power Supply: 1050W Corsair Pro Silver 1050HX (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) Expansion Bay: - No Thanks Optical Drive: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x) Storage Set 1: 1x (512GB Solid State (By: Samsung) (Model: 840 Pro Series) Storage Set 2: - No Thanks Storage Set 3: - No Thanks RAID Config: - No Thanks RAID Card: - No Thanks Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Graphics Card(s): 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780 3GB (Includes PhysX) Sound Card: Creative Labs Recon3D Fatal1ty Champion 5.1 (Includes Front I/O) (PCI-Express Slot Based) HPC Processor: - No Thanks Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 2: Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 Extreme Performance H20 Tube Color: - Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected Chassis Fans: Standard Factory Chassis Fans Internal Lighting: - No Thanks Airflow Control: - No Thanks Chassis Mods: - No Thanks Noise Reduction: - No Thanks LaserMark: - No Thanks CPU Boost: Stage 1: Overclock CPU 4.0GHz to 4.4GHz Graphics Boost: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Memory Boost: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory OS Boost: Yes, Disable and tweak all of the non-crucial services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows CD) Virus Protection: - No Thanks Office: - No Thanks Game: - No Thanks Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks External Storage: - No Thanks Exclusive T-Shirt: FREE: Digital Storm T-Shirt - Black (Large) Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 10-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed Warranty: Life-time Expert Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty (3 Year Labor & 1 Year Part Replacement) Upgrade to: EVGA SuperClocked 03G-P4-2783-KR GeForce GTX 780 3GB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 SLI Support Video Card Here's why I ended with the Sabertooth Z87. After watching,reading and nagging myself over and over it made sense to go big or go home. At least this way if later on I decide to SLI, I have to room to do so and a board that does it so well. The reason behind finally listening to bprat22 was a ton of youtube videos showing the noise level of the Corsair H100i 240mm Radiator Liquid CPU Cooler. There were too many people complaining about fan noise and just as many about the radiator. Then I went to try and find videos for the same on the Noctua and surprisingly there were none. Finally I think I will just stick with Windows 7 because it is what I am used to. If later down the line for some reason switching to 8 needs to happen I will. I just don't feel like leaning a new OS while learning my new system. Should be ordering it within the next few days. Hard to believe, but I think I did it. Edited by keitht06 - 17 Sep 2013 at 9:16pm |
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fstcvc
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Quote Reply Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 9:54pm |
Congrats on configuring your rig! This is really the hardest part. My build started off rather small compared to where I finally ended up after many changes I made once I placed my ordered. Here's someone who just upgraded their system with an EVGA 780 SC - not sure which one exactly that they got but it did have ACX cooler - even with that said, you can see what kind of performance you'll be getting with yours! Can't wait for you get it in your hands and share some pics & a review with us!!
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Quote Reply Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 10:22pm |
Go big or go home = wasting your money.
its about what you need, I already checked the Gryphon before for you and it can do sli. noctua is the way to go for sure, better cooler and much more quiet. IMHO go back to Gryphon if the only reason you went with saber was because of sli. you are over budget because of your ssd, why a 500GB ssd? why not just go with the 250GB version, you can always add more ssd/room later and prices should be better when you need the extra room. drop the os tweak its pointless. |
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keitht06
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Quote Reply Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 10:35pm |
I looked at the size of the Gryphon compared to the Sabertooth was another reason. Adding the Noctua seems like it wouldn't leave much room on the Gryphon compared to the saber. I chose the 500gb because it just saves me time on adding later.
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Quote Reply Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 10:44pm |
It takes literally 1 minute to add a ssd, and we are here to help, I do this all the time with hdds/ssds. But its upto you of course I'm just providing the facts.
the size of the mobo makes no difference whatsoever, I'm not understanding or missing something here. drop the os tweak and save your money, it could turn out to be more of a headache possibly. Edited by DST4ME - 17 Sep 2013 at 10:45pm |
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fstcvc
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Quote Reply Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 11:02pm |
To help out, he's planning on adding a second 780 in a few months. The Gryphon won't support 2 GPU's and an audio card - not enough slots.
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 17 Sep 2013 at 11:14pm |
OH I see he means size in that manner, ya in that case he best stick with sabertooth.
Gryphon has enough slots but with 2 gpus and a sound card he will endup with one of the cards in x4 mode and that is a big no no. |
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keitht06
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Quote Reply Posted: 18 Sep 2013 at 12:25am |
ok so one of my last questions. Using the Gryphon mobo and having the Noctua as my cooling, will that leave very little room on the mobo if I had to get in there to do something. Like if I was to replace the vid card at some point. I mean this mobo is 9.6 x 9.6, seems small.
I know that is a dumb question, but that really is where I am at. I just feel like everything will be crowded together with the Gryphon, but gain more room with the Sabertooth. More room I would think would mean better airflow. Lets take SLI out of the question. |
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bprat22
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Quote Reply Posted: 18 Sep 2013 at 2:48am |
There's nothing wrong with either mobo, but in terms of getting your moneys worth, if sli is out of the picture then go Gryphon for single 780 and sound card.
The smaller mobo with Noctua has no impact on heat, cooling, etc. The Pcie slots are also just as easy to get to as Sabertooth. They are out in the open. The Noctua sits over the cpu and a couple of ram slots but everything else is open. The extra 3" width of Sabertooth, if not needed for sli, etc. is just unused real estate. Get whatever feels right. They are both good boards. Gryphon does save you money but Sabertooth gives more options if you're still undecided on future plans. I think you'll find the single 780 is all you'll need but up to you as always. Youre gonna love this rig. |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 18 Sep 2013 at 2:51am |
Taking the sli out of the equation, I can't think of one reason why you should get the sabertooth.
there would be one gpu in there already, noctua will not have anything to do with the gpu and changing gpu. if you are looking for more room to work in, then the first thing you need to look at is the midtower small case you have chosen. Personally I allways recommend the haf x for its room (full tower) and its air flow (haf = high air flow). So in short if its room and airflow you are looking for then its the case you need to look at. as far as things being crowded, everything is gonna be about the same space on sabertooth also, you just gain another pci lane thats about it, I mean sure you may get an extra quarter/half of an inch between the two gpus in sabertooth but that does not mean much at all. I would think sticking a full size mobo in a midtower case is more of cramping stuff. Honestly you are looking at things the wrong way, but you have the right idea, you do want more room and better airflow, which means you want a bigger case,haf x being the best choice for that, as far as mobo goes, its very simple, if you only want one gpu option, its the GRYPHON, if you want sli ability in the future its the sabertooth. Its just that simple. Now keep in mind if you go single gpu system and GRYPHON, there is zero reason to go with the 1050hx, you go with the 750w evga, saving you more money there, putting a 1000w psu in a single gpu system is no different then flushing your money down the drain. Edited by DST4ME - 18 Sep 2013 at 2:59am |
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