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    Posted: 29 Oct 2008 at 10:02am
Hi, I am ordering a new pc for flight sims. I am thinking this config might do well, but I am no expert. I currently have a DS system that I love but am not able to move my settings up all the way. (close though) My current system is not over clocked at all. Is this a good performance gain as opposed to cost? Any suggestions are welcome. Is the GTX 280 much better than my 7950GX2.(worth the extra cost)

Current system:
AMD Athlon x2 5200+
Asus mobo M2N32-SLI wifi deluxe
320GB western Digital (16MB Cahe) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
4GB DDR2 Corsair 800 mhz XMS2 Dual channel (exterme speed)
Nvidia Geforce 7950GX2 1GB
Stage 2 cooling

My new system is:
Ticket Number: 199766
Total Price with Instant Savings: $3,224.00

Direct Load URL: http://www.digitalstormonline.com/comploadsaved.asp?id=199766

Specifications:
Chassis: Cooler Master HAF 932
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Power Supply: 1000W Corsair HX (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible)
Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650 3.0GHz (1333MHz FSB) (12MB Cache)
Motherboard: nVidia 790i Ultra Core 2 Quad (nForce 790i Ultra SLI) (DDR3 Only)
System Memory: 4GB DDR3 1600MHz OCZ Platinum Edition
Card Reader: Internal Digital Media Card Reader (Black)
Hard Drive 1: 750GB Western Digital (7200 RPM) (16MB Cache) (SATA) (Extreme Speed)
Hard Drive 2: - No Thanks
Raid Option: - No Thanks
Hard Drive 3: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: DVD-ROM/CD-ROM (DVD Reader 16x / CD Reader 40x)
Wireless Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 280 1GB (Includes PhysX Technology)
TV Tuner: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: Air Cooled Stage 2 (Silent Artic Cooling Heat-sink Upgrade (Copper Heatpipes)
Internal Lighting: Blizzard Internal Lighting (Blue Edition) (Cold Cathode Tubes)
Modifications: LCD Temperature Display & Fan Controller
Boost Processor: Yes, Overclock the processor as much as possible with complete stability
Boost Video Card: Yes, Overclock the video card(s) as much as possible with complete stability
Boost Memory: Yes, Overclock memory timings (Includes Memory Fan Kit Installed)
Tweak Windows: Yes, Disable and tweak all of the non-crucial services on the operating system
Windows
OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate (64-Bit Edition) (For Enthusiasts)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Benchmarking: - No Thanks
Install/Test Game: - No Thanks
LCD Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks my keyboard comes with a mouse
External Storage: - No Thanks
Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty
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  Quote biggjoe Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Oct 2008 at 10:16am
Nice rig, I didn't see all those options in the configurator though.
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  Quote biggjoe Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Oct 2008 at 10:23am
I found the CPU in there. Also is the 10,000 RPM HD a big improvement for flight simming? I currently run FS9 all out and must back off the settings with FSX and X-Plane. (excellent sim by the way)
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Oct 2008 at 12:12pm
here you go Ticket# 200233 --- Price: $3245 (To see this build click here)

Copy of Specifications:
Chassis: Cooler Master HAF 932
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Power Supply: 860W PC Power & Cooling (ESA Edition) (Dual SLI Compatible)
Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650 3.0GHz (1333MHz FSB) (12MB Cache)
Motherboard: nVidia 790i Ultra Core 2 Quad (nForce 790i Ultra SLI) (DDR3 Only)
System Memory: 4GB DDR3 1333MHz OCZ
Card Reader: Internal Digital Media Card Reader (Black)
Hard Drive 1: 300GB Western Digital VelociRaptor (10K RPM) (16MB Cache) (Extreme Speed)
Hard Drive 2: 500GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
Raid Option: - No Thanks
Hard Drive 3: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x) (LightScribe Edition)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Wireless Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 280 1GB (Includes PhysX Technology)
TV Tuner: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: Air Cooled Stage 2 (Silent Artic Cooling Heat-sink Upgrade (Copper Heatpipes)
Internal Lighting: Blizzard Internal Lighting (Blue Edition) (Cold Cathode Tubes)
Modifications: LCD Temperature Display & Fan Controller
Boost Processor: Yes, Overclock the processor as much as possible with complete stability
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: Yes, Overclock memory timings (Includes Memory Fan Kit Installed)
Tweak Windows: Yes, Disable and tweak all of the non-crucial services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) (For Enthusiasts)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Benchmarking: - No Thanks
Install/Test Game: - No Thanks
LCD Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks my keyboard comes with a mouse
External Storage: - No Thanks
Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty
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  Quote biggjoe Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Oct 2008 at 12:31pm
OK, 2 questions on that ticket.
1. would my Geforce 7950 GX2 card keep up with this system? or is it to outdated?
2. I notice some set ups with only one optical drive. Is there a specific reason for that?

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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Oct 2008 at 12:38pm
most people don't' need 2 optical drives, and money is better spent on other hardware, but if you need 2 just go back and add another.


the 280 GTX from what I understand is a better GPU.

remember we are just recommending
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  Quote biggjoe Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Oct 2008 at 12:46pm
Recommendations are just what I am looking for. I was thinking of tweaking the OS. Do you know if that is really a plus for simming, and what services would be diabled?
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Oct 2008 at 12:59pm
if you like I can help you with that, all you do is really disable uac and take control of folder permissions.

you can always visit blackviper's site and do some tweaking yourself
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  Quote biggjoe Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Oct 2008 at 1:10pm
Sorry to be such a know nothing. What would be gained if I disable the UAC, and will it cause any security concerns?
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Oct 2008 at 1:25pm
Originally posted by biggjoe

Sorry to be such a know nothing. What would be gained if I disable the UAC, and will it cause any security concerns?


no it won't, it removed the annoying prompt that you will get every time you want to do something

security is achieved with these:

1. common sense
2. up to date good anti-virus (eset security suite)
3. up to date good firewall(eset security suite)
3. up to date good anti spyware(spysweeper)
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Oct 2008 at 1:27pm
why would he want to pay 3000 for a ddr2 system when he can get ddr3 and a q9650 for less?:

here you go Ticket# 200255 --- Price: $2835 (To see this build click here)

Copy of Specifications:
Chassis: Cooler Master HAF 932
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Power Supply: 750W Corsair HX (Dual SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition)
Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650 3.0GHz (1333MHz FSB) (12MB Cache)
Motherboard: Asus P5Q3 Deluxe (Intel P45 Chipset) (Supports CrossFire)
System Memory: 4GB DDR3 1333MHz OCZ
Card Reader: - No Thanks
Hard Drive 1: 150GB Western Digital VelociRaptor (10K RPM) (16MB Cache) (SATA) (Extreme Speed)
Hard Drive 2: 500GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
Raid Option: - No Thanks
Hard Drive 3: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Wireless Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: ATI Radeon HD 4870X2 2GB
TV Tuner: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: Air Cooled Stage 2 (Silent Artic Cooling Heat-sink Upgrade (Copper Heatpipes)
Internal Lighting: Blizzard Internal Lighting (Red Edition) (Cold Cathode Tubes)
Modifications: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Yes, Overclock the processor as much as possible with complete stability
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) (For Enthusiasts)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Benchmarking: - No Thanks
Install/Test Game: - No Thanks
LCD Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty

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  Quote biggjoe Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Oct 2008 at 2:16pm
I like that set up DST4ME. My question there is, is the PSU enough for this set up and one more optical drive. I would also like to use the tweak the memory optin. Is there a benefit to that? Or would I be wasting money on that? Also I have never used 2 HD's before. Would I put my windows and sims on the raptor and all other storage and programs on the slower drive? Or how does that work
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Oct 2008 at 2:20pm
psu is enough for more then that.

no real benefit to os tweak, like I said just use the uac tool I listed and if you need we can give you all folder permisions.

I have over 8 HDDs, 4 internal and 4 external.

yes os/apps/games go on HDD1 (raptor) and media/personal files go on HDD2 (500GB)

if your games are too big you may want to go with a veloci Raptor which is the bigger and faster version of digital Raptor

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  Quote biggjoe Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Oct 2008 at 2:29pm
I was actually wondering about the memory tweak. I don't think I'll go with the OS tweak. I was on the fence about that one anyway. I tried to DL the UAC tool but the DL link wasn't working. I would like the folder permissions as well.
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what do you mean the DL link is not working, you mean when you went there and click on download it did not work?
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Right, I got a message that said it was not found
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Oct 2008 at 2:51pm
the only difference between our config and mine is that I have the ddr3 system for less and all I'm missing from your system is a $35 DVD drive.

the x48 doesn't support ddr3 so obviously thats not an option when going ddr3.





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Originally posted by biggjoe

Right, I got a message that said it was not found


refresh the page and try to download again, THX for that report, the link is fixed now, sorry about before
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Got it that time. Do I want to turn it off or just switch it to quiet mode?
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  Quote biggjoe Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Oct 2008 at 3:09pm
Cool Got it. Thank you guys so much for all your help. I'm sure I'll have plenty more questions before I settle on the final set up. Feel free to keep the suggestions coming.
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NP, any questions you have just ask away
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OK I thought of one more. Is OCZ memory better than Corsair?
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Originally posted by biggjoe

OK I thought of one more. Is OCZ memory better than Corsair?


Pretty sure both use micron d9s for all their pc2-8500 + ram. So it just comes down to personal preference and previous experience.
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Originally posted by biggjoe

OK I thought of one more. Is OCZ memory better than Corsair?


corsair was crapping out there for a bit so we the customers started advising other customers to go with ocz.

I agree with skyR, it really comes down to matter of preference.

OCZ does have a better price
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