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    Posted: 19 May 2014 at 11:25am
Budget:
up to around $2600 for the PC

Expectations:
To be used as a "Gaming Only" PC, No streaming or anything else. Trying to make it last as long as possible. First gaming only PC. At the moment i'm looking at IPS monitors,but not duel as of yet, but looking at SLI for future upgrades. Never built a PC, but think I can do it. Looking to downgrade certain parts if not needed.

Usage:
Gaming Only: games like DayZ, Arma 3,CS:GO, BF4, H1Z1, Crysis,Dark Souls 2, etc. on very High to Max.

Special Needs:
Want the PC quite and cool temp. Overclocked i5 and GTX 770.

Saved Ticket #: 978409

Specifications:
Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Digital Storm ODE V3
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish

Processor: Intel Core i5 4670K 3.40 GHz (Unlocked CPU) (Quad Core)
First I had down an i7, but read that was more for streaming and i5 would be fine for gaming.

Motherboard: ASUS SABERTOOTH Z97 MARK2 (Intel Z97 Chipset) (Military-Grade TUF Components) Want a good Motherboard, one that could do SLI maybe for the future, wasn't sure which board to go with.I liked the look of ASUS MAXIMUS VII HERO, but wasn't sure if it was worth the extra money. Didn't want to break the bank with upgrades not really worth it.

System Memory: 16GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Not sure if I need 8GB or 16GB?, 1600 or 1866??

Power Supply: 1050W Corsair Pro Silver 1050HX (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) picked a 1000W incase of Duel cards SLI

Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Optical Drive: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x)

Storage Set 1: 1x SSD (256GB Samsung 840 PRO)
Wanted a decent SSD to put OS,with big games coming out @ around 50GB.

Storage Set 2: 1x Storage (1TB Western Digital - Black Edition)

Storage Set 3: - No Thanks
RAID Config: - No Thanks
RAID Card: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)

Graphics Card(s): 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 770 2GB (EVGA Superclocked ACX Cooler Edition) Seem like the best bet to go with, SLI maybe in the future for another one. 770 seemed like the better value rather then 780?

Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
HPC Processor: - No Thanks

Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 2: Corsair H100i 240mm Radiator Liquid CPU Cooler (Extreme-Performance Edition) Not really sure which Liquid Cooling I should go, would this be good? Or is there something cheaper I should go with.

H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected

Chassis Fans: Upgrade All Fans to Corsair Airflow Performance Edition (Up to 6 Fans) Would it be worth getting these fans? Would I still need noise suppression package? or is it overkill?

Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Red)

Airflow Control: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks

Noise Reduction: Noise Suppression Package Stage 1 (Optimized Airflow & Fan Speeds Only) Worth getting?

LaserMark: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Stage 1: Overclock CPU 4.0GHz to 4.4GHz
Boost Graphics Card(s): Yes, Overclock the video card(s) as much as possible with complete stability

Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Boost OS: Yes, Disable and tweak all of the non-crucial services on the operating system Thought I might get this option since I just want this PC for gaming. Not sure if it would be worth the money thought?

Sorry for all the questions, I've read a lot of responses and information on this site and others, but still a lot for me to find out. Any help would be great, looking forward to getting my system as soon as I find out the answers to my questions.
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  Quote ArkansasWoman777 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 19 May 2014 at 11:45am
A few things i can help with, first the os comes in bloat free so no need to have DS disable or tweek anything. Second, you won't see the speed on the memory so 1600 is fine, as for the amount of ram 8 gigs would be fine but 16 gigs is the sweet spot and is nice to have in case you ever need it.

Bprat who has the ODE would probably say just keep the fans the way they are as it probably moves air the way it is. Yes an i5 is perfectly fine for just gaming. Now the rest of the questions could probably be answered by the others when they log on. Welcome to DS btw
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  Quote Sandman530 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 19 May 2014 at 12:01pm
Thanks ArkansasWoman777, yeah stuff like the case fans I wasn't sure of, if they needed to be upgraded or what not. Just like I'm unsure of what liquid cooling I should go with and not go overkill on it.
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  Quote bprat22 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 19 May 2014 at 2:56pm
Hi Sandman.    You put together a real nice rig.    Arkansas is right about the upgraded chassis fans in the ODE 600t case. You don't need them.

The Vortex 120mm cooler will also get the job done plus mount to the inside back wall, leaving the top 200mm fan in place. The h100i with its 240mm rad mounts under the top.    The h100i might give you a few degrees better cooling and possibly a tad quieter with fans on lower rpm, but the 120mm rad will work no problem.

I would keep the Sabertooth mobo. An excellent mobo with a longer warranty than most. If the other boards have a feature you want then the added price would be worth it.   For most, the Sabertooth is strong pick.

The 770 superclocked with ACX cooler is a bit quieter and a few percentage points better fps, but it does empty some of its heat into the case. The reference single fan cards don't. For a single card, no problem. For sli, you might have to add side panel fans to blow the heat out. The ODE does come with a side mesh panel that mounts up to four fans if needed, replacing the window. Not saying you would have to but that front 200mm fan is great for feeding fresh air into the case but is not strong enough to blow hot air out the back vents.

Hope this helps and good luck.
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  Quote danjw1 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 19 May 2014 at 4:29pm
Another way to go is the Sabertooth Z97's little brother, the Gryphon Z97 and a Virtue case. Both will support 2 card SLI and 4 DIMMs. So, unless you see the need to add more PCIe cards then the 2 graphics cards you don't lose anything. Neither will support more the 2-Way SLI.

The other options are lowering memory (16GB is optimal, though), installing extra fans yourself or swap out for an AMD graphics card.

For fans: The Virtue ( Corsair 350D) can take two more 140mm fans up top. DS uses the Corsair 140mm High Airflow fans(~$20 each online), that you can easily install yourself. Adding fans to the Virtue would useless with the 240mm cooler since that would cover the top ports anyway. Switching to the 120mm Vortex or Corsair H60 cooler would be a better choice in my mind. These can mount on the back of the case and allow the top fan ports to be used to vent air from the case.

The Ode (Corsair 600T, comes will all fans mounts already filled. So, no need to add more.

For the graphics the Nvidia GTX 770 is comparable to the AMD R9 280X. Here is a recent buyer's guide that you can read a comparison on there abilities: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7981/best-video-cards-april-2014

I think this the least expensive of the options with a Virtue build AMD GPU and a single 120mm cooler: https://www.digitalstormonline.com/configurator.asp?id=978563

The Ode is only a little more expensive if you prefer that case, with the same changes sticking with the Sabertooth motherboard:https://www.digitalstormonline.com/configurator.asp?id=978570

I hope this helps, I tried to point you to more information so you can make some informed decisions on what parts fit you best.
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  Quote Sandman530 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 20 May 2014 at 2:40pm
Thanks for the comments bprat22 and danjw1.

bprat22 - the sabertooth looks awesome, I noticed there's two versions available? ASUS SABERTOOTH Z97 MARK2 (Intel Z97 Chipset) (Military-Grade TUF Components) is the one I need right? I think i'm going to stay with the Ode case, I like that it's a bit roomier then the Virtue and can use the Sabertooth. So you think the Vortex 120mm cooler would be enough to cool everything? is it really loud? should i get the noise reduction option for it? or is that not worth it? im getting the gtx 770 2gb superclocked, do I have to worry about that getting hotter?

danjw1- I really like the look of the the Virture also, that was my other choice, but im just worried it would be too compact or get hotter then in the more roomier Ode. Not really interested in AMD's, the Nvidia GTX 770 seems perfect.
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  Quote danjw1 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 20 May 2014 at 4:08pm
In the reviews I linked to in my previous post, the temperatures were lower with the 350D vs the 600T. This was with stock fans, but with different completely systems. So this isn't a great direct comparison. The 350D can take three additional fans, if you choose to install them.

Also, in my previous post I missed that you could also add a second fan to the 350D in front, offering even better cooling.

I am pretty sure that the Mark 2 is the one that bpratt22 was reffering to. The Mark one seems more of a workstation motherboard with dual LAN ports and offers a SATA Express port.

Here is a link to a table of all the Asus Motherboards: http://www.asus.com/us/site/motherboards/Z97/comparison/

Edited by danjw1 - 20 May 2014 at 4:14pm
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  Quote bprat22 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 21 May 2014 at 2:55am
Yep, I'd get the Sabertooth with the latest Z97 chipset.   

As far as the cpu cooler, the 120mm is all you need and on lower fan speed will be about as quiet as the h100i on low. The h100i with 240mm rad does give a few degrees better cooling and allows higher overclock, but they both keep your chip well within the safe zone.   

I wouldn't pay for the noise reduction. That's something you can do in Bios pretty easily. A few clicks of the mouse.

Good luck.
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  Quote Sandman530 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 21 May 2014 at 9:11am
Ahh! , Keep going back and forth between these two cases, I looked at your links again danjw1, then I started searching pics of the case and saw this one, which is like the look I was going for, are those the upgraded fans that DS has with the red rings around it?

Corsair 350D Custom


also saw they use an ASUS Z97 Maximus VII Gene mATX board, i guess DS doesn't offer this one? I didn't see this as an option.

bpratt22, yeah the Z97 chipset looks sweet, I noticed the smaller Gryphon mATX is one too, any big difference between the two besides size? Both have that Thermal Radar II, which I can see really helps with adjusting the fans.


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  Quote bprat22 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 21 May 2014 at 9:43am
Biggest difference between the Sabertooth and the Gryphon is the size and the number of Pcie slots available.   The Gryphon can sli, 2x video card but that blocks all four slots., so no more cards if you wanted.  The Sabertooth has more Pcie slots for more expansion.  But if you don't want a sound card, wifi card, etc then no big deal.   There might be a difference in the number of USB ports but you'd have to compare specs. 

That 350D Custom link is something DS might be able to do.  Does look nice.   The chassis fan upgrade with the Corsairs do come with different colored rings,  Just ask to have to red put on.   The red power cables to the mobo and video cards are power supply cable extensions.  You'd have to ask DS for price and which psu they can be used on. 
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  Quote danjw1 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 21 May 2014 at 10:20am
The M7G is out there, at least one online retailer has them instock. DS would likely charge you a special order fee for it, since it isn't one they currently stock. Availability in DS's supply chain maybe an issue.

Corsair does offer different colored cables for some of their power supplies. Red is one color they offer, again there maybe a special order few for DS to get you these.

Edited by danjw1 - 21 May 2014 at 10:50am
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  Quote Sandman530 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 May 2014 at 11:40am
Originally posted by bprat22

Biggest difference between the Sabertooth and the Gryphon is the size and the number of Pcie slots available.   The Gryphon can sli, 2x video card but that blocks all four slots., so no more cards if you wanted.  The Sabertooth has more Pcie slots for more expansion.  But if you don't want a sound card, wifi card, etc then no big deal.


So I was thinking of adding the creative sound blaster z, so I couldn't do this with the way I would have the 350D set up? leaning back towards the Ode.
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  Quote danjw1 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 May 2014 at 12:09pm
Well, it is the Gene really. The micro-ATX form factor only allows for 4 PCIe slots. So, two would be blocked with the 2 slot graphics cards. But, the Gene, has an isolated audio section, it actually sits on a daughter board. I suggest you check out this video where an Asus guy is talking about this motherboard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L39CnnEozFg

It is 30 minutes long but, it explains a bunch of the ROG features you will get with the Gene motherboard.
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