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1. Personal preference, if you have the budget I say do it.

2. extra fans are good idea for max airflow as most cases do not come with all the fans they can hold. but if budget is tight, yes fan upgrade is not a necessity.

3. oc speeds up the cpu which is the brain of your computer, this in turn makes everything it does faster, in games it will not yield enough fps to justify depending on the cpu and its base/boost clock. So its up to you, from part time gaming and use I would say no its not worth it if budget is tight, you will be ok with the base cooler of vanquish.

4. a 1060 will do you great at 1080p

Crap I knew someone was going to say that I'm a sucker for bright shiny objects.

Originally posted by DST4ME 1. Personal preference, if you have the budget I say do it. 2. extra fans are good idea for max airflow as most cases do not come with all the fans they can hold. but if budget is tight, yes fan upgrade is not a necessity. 3. oc speeds up the cpu which is the brain of your computer, this in turn makes everything it does faster, in games it will not yield enough fps to justify depending on the cpu and its base/boost clock. So its up to you, from part time gaming and use I would say no its not worth it if budget is tight, you will be ok with the base cooler of vanquish. 4. a 1060 will do you great at 1080p

I'm thinking of going the Appollo route and want to try to get bang for my buck so thought I would try to get best parts. From what I have read the graphic card the1070 is quite a jump above the 1060. With that thinking I was going with the i7 was leaning towards the i7k again to get me farther down the road for a longer time with this pc build. Guess I should have said that in the beginning. Was trying to stay around $2300 or so and with the parts off the Vanq vs the Appollo the Appollo seemed the way to go.

Looks a lot like the one I've been building minus the 1070. So the 1060 will work for me even if I choose to play games like wow or Starcraft?

Thanks that helps I was really worried on the graphics card part. Didn't want to get one then get into a game I really liked and suffer from a weaker card.

With this system you'll be able to fall down the console command rabbit hole in WOW. You may still chug in heavily populated areas with everything maxed out, but that's the game's fault because of its age. Changing spell effects is kind of silly and fun because the ceiling is just below the point you crash the game.

Well when you turn down settings of course the image loses how good it was, but how much is what is a personal preference IMHO, I like to max out settings personally.

Here is witcher 3 for example there is some stuff you can look at with and without or lower setting and those should give you an idea.

OC the gpu yourself

Ok I'm going nuts my build up above is an Appollo lvl 2 with some adjustments. Now I'm looking at this Vellox lvl 2 with adjustments Appollo comes in at around $2200 Vellox is around $3100. I can swing either but didn't really think about spending that much on a PC until I started doing lots of research and not wanting parts I'm going to be worried about. I really want to get far down the road until I have to upgrade anything. Here's the V.
System Configuration:
Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Hailstorm II Edition
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 6700K 4.0GHz (Codename Skylake) (Unlocked CPU) (Quad Core)
Motherboard: ASUS Z170 PRO GAMING (Intel Z170 Chipset) (Up to 5x PCI-E Devices)
System Memory: 16GB DDR4 2666MHz Corsair Dominator Platinum DHX (Extreme-Performance)
Power Supply: 750W EVGA SuperNOVA
Expansion Bay: Option Not Available
Optical Drive: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 8x / CD-Writer 8x) (Internal)
Storage Set 1: 1x SSD (500GB Samsung 850 EVO)
Storage Set 2: 1x Storage (1TB Western Digital - Black Edition)
Storage Set 3: - No Thanks
RAID Config: - No Thanks
RAID Card: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Graphics Card(s): 1x GeForce GTX 1080 8GB (NVIDIA Founders Edition) (VR Ready)
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
HPC Processor: - No Thanks
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 2: Corsair H115i - 280mm Radiator Liquid CPU Cooler
HydroLux Tubing Style: - Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected
HydroLux Fluid Color: - Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected
Cable Management: Exotic Cable Management - Blue - (Cable Combs with Custom Color Sleeved Extension Cables)
Chassis Fans: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: Remote Controlled LED Lighting System (Multiple color options and lighting effects)
Airflow Control: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
LaserMark: - No Thanks
CPU Boost: Stage 2: Overclock CPU - Up to 4.8GHz (Depends on Cooling and Motherboard)
Graphics Boost: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
OS Boost: Yes, Disable and tweak all of the non-crucial services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Home (64-Bit Edition)
Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows CD)
Virus Protection: FREE: McAfee AntiVirus Plus (1 Year Service Activation Card) (Not Pre-installed) ($35 Value)
Office: - No Thanks
Game: - No Thanks
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
Branded Gear: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 10-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty (3 Year Labor & 1 Year Part Replacement)

Yea I started this build with getting a PC that would get me down the road I'm one of those buy once cry once kind of people. Have learned over the years to get the best gear you can afford it pays off in the end. I don't own a monitor yet so I can make a jump up to 2560x1440 easily. I actually started at the Aventum my son has one very nice machine but I didn't want to spend that. My research and what you and others said makes me lean toward spending a bit more now to get a better PC. There are games coming out I'm sure I would not mind playing so going 1080 or 1070 card at least seems to make more sense with an upgrade in parts. Plan on ordering in a few days since I have a backpacking trip coming up next week. Dst you've been great answering questions I aporiciate it do you happen to work in the PC field?

That makes sense if I'm going to have to upgrade the gpu in a few years anyway. I've built a new Velox changed a few parts not to sure on the motherboard I picked I might have gone a bit overboard on it. Can you give it a look hopefully for the last time to see if I'm not out of balance somewhere. I really appreciate it my brain is starting to hurt from all the stuff I've been reading. Price on this one is $3057
System Configuration:
Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Digital Storm Velox
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 6700K 4.0GHz (Codename Skylake) (Unlocked CPU) (Quad Core)
Motherboard: ASUS MAXIMUS VIII HERO (Intel Z170 Chipset) (Up to 5x PCI-E Devices)
System Memory: 32GB DDR4 2666MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series
Power Supply: 850W EVGA SuperNOVA
Expansion Bay: Option Not Available
Optical Drive: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 8x / CD-Writer 8x) (Internal)
Storage Set 1: 1x SSD (500GB Samsung 850 EVO)
Storage Set 2: 1x Storage (1TB Western Digital - Black Edition)
Storage Set 3: - No Thanks
RAID Config: - No Thanks
RAID Card: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Graphics Card(s): 1x GeForce GTX 1070 8GB (EVGA ACX 3.0) (VR Ready)
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
HPC Processor: - No Thanks
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 2: Corsair H115i - 280mm Radiator Liquid CPU Cooler
HydroLux Tubing Style: - Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected
HydroLux Fluid Color: - Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected
Cable Management: Exotic Cable Management - Blue - (Cable Combs with Custom Color Sleeved Extension Cables)
Chassis Fans: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: Remote Controlled LED Lighting System (Multiple color options and lighting effects)
Airflow Control: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
LaserMark: - No Thanks
CPU Boost: Stage 2: Overclock CPU - Up to 4.8GHz (Depends on Cooling and Motherboard)
Graphics Boost: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
OS Boost: Yes, Disable and tweak all of the non-crucial services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Home (64-Bit Edition)
Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows CD)
Virus Protection: FREE: McAfee AntiVirus Plus (1 Year Service Activation Card) (Not Pre-installed) ($35 Value)
Office: - No Thanks
Game: - No Thanks
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
Branded Gear: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 10-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty (3 Year Labor & 1 Year Part Replacement)

Thanks DST4ME I can read all I want but trying to future proof a PC doesn't mean the parts you pick work well together. I aporiciate someone who has some insight on what works well together for their money. Try to get this baby ordered tomorrow. Thanks again

Originally posted by DST4ME Nope. 32gb of ram is a waste you will never use it for your use. 16gb is to future proof you for the next 3 years atleast. no need for that mobo. psu is too big for this build even if it had a 1080. the noctua will be more quiet and same perfomrance as the h115 your oc is too high. this system is your money well built, will match and beat the perfomrance of your config: VeloxP Click Image To Go To Configuration Page Also notice I have the 950 pro ssd in there that is much faster.

actually the 280mm AIO will probably out perform it some, but be hella louder due to those awful fans. 

the D15 is fugly but the all-around the better buy because it'll never break down (w/the exception of a fan replacement after 60K hours or more-oops, make that 150K) and it's quieter.  plus you get some area cooling over the ram and mobo. 

or you could just go with this and call it a day: 

Edited by db188 - 19 Aug 2016 at 2:27am

I find noctua to be pretty, every time I see it, it screems I'm the king

for the aio to beat noctua we are talking very loud fan noise all the way around.

In fans bigger fans move more air at lower rpm than a smaller fan, and the faster a fan moves the louder it is.

In rads bigger is better because you get better heat exchange.

Well depends on where everything is going, and what you got and where it fits, for example you may put the rad on top before you put the mobo in or vise versa. In my system for example first came the mobo then came the top rad/fans. Put the blocks on gpus, then you seat everything else, add pumps, run the cables, add the reservoir, run the tubes and fittings, etc.

Depending on where everything goes most times some parts go in when you are adding other things, but the tubes and etc will go on pretty much last.

Edited by DST4ME - 19 Aug 2016 at 5:46am

IF the system is already under LC then all you have to do is take out the say gpu and old block, and add the new gpu and new block (first add block to gpu, then add gpu/block to loop).

If you want to build lc from scratch, you can go open loop but not as complicated as mine or go aio like swiftech.

the swiftech is a great starter IMHO or a fist step into lc, as long as one understands that its a starter and not the full effect/experience/performance.

but adding your own open loop is not that hard either IMHO.

LC is mainly a luxury, for most users here. Its useful if you want to push your oc to higher end of its ability. Or You need to have lower temps then air. Or You have parts that can yield great gains, for example titan pascal on lc will oc a good amount so if you are getting a titan plan to lc it and put it under heavy oc yourself (DS oc is mild on gpu). If you want a quiet system you need a custom lc loop with custom quiet fans on it, so that is another reason to get lc, less noise.

Others just like to have LC system for cooling and feel comfortable working on it if they have to. I enjoy working on my lc.

For me its not about price range, its about the user's comfort level with working on the lc system because things happen.

If you are comfortable with working on it and have the budget, my question is "why not"? But when I say lc I mean open loop or as they call it here hydrolux "pro".

Edited by DST4ME - 19 Aug 2016 at 5:58am