Need some suggestions on a buildPost Date: 2008-07-09 |
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NoobieHowzerMD
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Topic: Need some suggestions on a buildPosted: 09 Jul 2008 at 9:56am |
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I'm looking to get a new computer, and from what I've read this is the best place to get one. I have a 5 year old Alienware laptop (terrible tech support), and it's pretty much on its death bed. That said, I'd like a computer that I'll be able to play the following games (when they come out) on the max settings with a stable 40-50 FPS: World of Warcraft : Wrath of the Lich King Spore Starcraft 2 Those are the main titles I'd like to play that are coming out this fall with the best possible resolution, and settings maxed out. I also need it to be as cheap as possible, but would like to be able to upgrade it easily in the future as it needs to be to keep up to date with future games. I plan on buying the monitor, speakers, mouse, and keyboard separately, but need everything else since I'm going from laptop to desktop. So to re-cap, I need it cheap, upgradeable, and able to play those games with a good frame rate with everything turned to max. Any help would be greatly appreciated since I'm out of the technology loop these days. Thanks Edited by NoobieHowzerMD - 09 Jul 2008 at 9:58am |
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Doc
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Posted: 09 Jul 2008 at 10:10am |
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Any idea about game spec requirements?
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Kliebor2
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Posted: 09 Jul 2008 at 12:48pm |
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Starcraft 2:
GFX: GeForce 8000 or Radeon 2000 series with 512 MB RAM CPU: Core 2 Duo or Athlon X2. RAM: 2 GB Internet: ADSL 3 Mbit Spore: WINDOWS XP - 2.0 GHz P4 processor or equivalent - 512 MB RAM - A 128 MB Video Card, with support for Pixel Shader 2.0 - At least 6 GB of hard drive space. WINDOWS VISTA - 2.0 GHz P4 processor or equivalent - 768 MB RAM - A 128 MB Video Card, with support for Pixel Shader 2.0 - At least 6 GB of hard drive space WOW current requirements: Windows® System 2000/XP OS: - Intel Pentium® III 800 MHz or AMD Athlon 800 MHz - 512 MB or more of RAM - 32 MB 3D graphics card with Hardware Transform and Lighting, such as NVIDIA® GeForce™ 2 class card or above - DirectX® 9.0c (included) and latest video drivers - 6.0 GB available HD space - 4x CD-ROM drive - A 56k or better Internet connection - For voice chat, an SSE enabled CPU is required. That said, none of these games seem like system killers from what I see here It looks like Starcraft is the buffest and I would say any new ATI or Nvidia card 9800GTX+ should be able to make any of these games scream for mercy with a decent quad core like the Q9450... Keep in mind the specs on Starcraft2 and Spore are current specs for what is unreleased software and the final specs may change. |
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Digital Storm 950Si - Q9450 Quad Core @ 3 Ghz
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NoobieHowzerMD
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Posted: 09 Jul 2008 at 2:07pm |
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Those are minimum system requirements though. I want everything on max settings and look "pretty". Plus I think WoW:WotLK will be more resource intensive than the current build. That said, I think you're right aout that card Kliebor2, but that's also the newer, but more importantly, more expensive card. Basically I'm looking to save the most possible cash, but also get the 40-50 FPS range with max settings. Just not sure how to go about building that type of system.
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ArmourBrad
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Posted: 09 Jul 2008 at 2:14pm |
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well what's cheap?
Ender's posting guide has some interesting price ranges.
if you want everything, and want it "pretty" i think you're in the range of about 2300-2700 bucks. But 2000 could take care of you.
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Kliebor2
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Posted: 09 Jul 2008 at 2:22pm |
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Unfortunately given the fact none of those games are out exact specs will be hard.
WoW will not change in specs much and my old PC with a 8600GTS in it can run WoW maxxed out with no problem including burning crusade. I have no doubt the specs will change only slightly if at all for WoW. Far as system Specs... I will take a shot at a low end system that incorporates good gear with the best possible frame rates on the cheap. http://www.digitalstormonline. My Suggestion should fly through most stuff you want to play with excellent frame rates. This system is completely bare bones it assumes you are using your old monitor, speakers, keyboard and mouse. Dave Edited by Kliebor2 - 09 Jul 2008 at 2:25pm |
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Digital Storm 950Si - Q9450 Quad Core @ 3 Ghz
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!ender_
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Posted: 09 Jul 2008 at 8:23pm |
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guide to read over
right along with brad, for around 2k you will get your feet off the ground and have some power, but realistically if youre looking for an up to date system youll be spending over 2400. the gaming market is becoming increasingly hard on our hardware and with the market where it is you dont want to be buying a budget system if you expect bells and whistles or any longevity.
as far as leaving room for more, see in that guide under "leave room for later"
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NoobieHowzerMD
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Posted: 09 Jul 2008 at 9:36pm |
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The only problem I see with your build Kliebor2 is the fact that it seems expensive to upgrade. I went through and picked stuff that i thought would make a competive machine today, but be easily upgradeable later on (as I get more cash and need to).
In my mind I would just have to throw in another video card for the SLI, and maybe Vista at some point. Let me know if there's any issues with the build I picked.
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skyR
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Posted: 09 Jul 2008 at 9:45pm |
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You could save so much money and get that "upgradability" if you went with a E8200 and 8800GT...
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Bismark
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Posted: 09 Jul 2008 at 11:22pm |
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The build you picked looks fine aside from the fact that your OS wont take full usage of your ram, you need to upgrade your OS to a 64 bit. Also look into skyR's advice... not sure you want that much "upgradability".
Personal opinion, buy the best you can afford now, so two weeks from now you arn't already looking for an upgrade. |
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Asus Rampage Formula
Core 2 Quad Q9550 2 ATI Radeon HD4870 Crossfire 4GB Corsair DHX 1066 1000W Corsair HX DS 850Si |
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Tyler Lowe
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Posted: 10 Jul 2008 at 12:00am |
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It would be most helpful if we had an idea of your maximum budget. I do understand the notion of "as cheaply as possible", but if we have a figure to work with, we can try to pack as much performance as possible into the build within that dollar amount.
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NoobieHowzerMD
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Posted: 10 Jul 2008 at 10:39am |
What's the E8200? And as far as a budget goes, I'd say $2000 is what I'd like to spend, but have the option to upgrade it easily in the future. Basically not replacing the mobo and buying an extra video card and going SLI.
And I see what you're saying with going with 64-bit, maybe just go with 2g of ram. That way I could go with Vista when it sucks less and when I do, add more RAM.
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Doc
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Posted: 10 Jul 2008 at 11:07am |
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How bout this? $2072
Chassis: Antec 900
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Power Supply: 750W Corsair HX (Dual SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition) Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo E8200 2.66GHz (1333MHz Front Side Bus) (6MB Cache) Motherboard: Asus Rampage Formula (Chipset: Intel X48) (Supports CrossFire) System Memory: 4GB DDR2 Corsair at 800MHz Dominator DHX (High-Performance) Card Reader: Internal Digital Media Card Reader (Black) Hard Drive 1: 500GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA) Hard Drive 2: - No Thanks Raid Option: - No Thanks Hard Drive 3: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x) Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: ATI Radeon HD 4850 512MB TV Tuner: - No Thanks Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio Extreme Cooling: Air Cooled Stage 2 (Silent Artic Cooling Heat-sink Upgrade (Copper Heatpipes) Internal Lighting: Blizzard Internal Lighting (Blue Edition) (Cold Cathode Tubes) Modifications: - No Thanks Boost Processor: Yes, Overclock the processor as much as possible with complete stability Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Boost Memory: Yes, Overclock memory timings (Includes Memory Fan Kit Installed) Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) (For Enthusiasts) Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based) Protection: - No Thanks Office: - No Thanks Benchmarking: - No Thanks Install/Test Game: - No Thanks LCD Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks External Storage: - No Thanks Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty |
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Bismark
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Posted: 10 Jul 2008 at 8:18pm |
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That build looks decent though I'm not sure the asus rampage is compatible with the E8200. I thought it was a board for a 45n chipset. Could be wrong though
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Asus Rampage Formula
Core 2 Quad Q9550 2 ATI Radeon HD4870 Crossfire 4GB Corsair DHX 1066 1000W Corsair HX DS 850Si |
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SunfighterLC
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Posted: 10 Jul 2008 at 8:22pm |
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That CPU will work on that board.
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E8500@ 4.03Ghz
XFX 790i Ultra 1000W Corsair HX 2 280 GTX EVGA FTW 4GB OCZ Reaper 1800Mhz 250-80-300GB VR HD Logitech Z-2300 2.1 Speakers Asus Xonar 7.1 Hanns-G HG 281D 28" HDMI Monitor |
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!ender_
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Posted: 10 Jul 2008 at 9:16pm |
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id suggest stage 3 cooling a 9450 or at least a 9300a 4870 or g260
maybe up to a 850i case to give you way more room for the air cooling
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Tyler Lowe
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Posted: 10 Jul 2008 at 11:31pm |
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Doc's setup is great for a $2000 rig. Good room for upgrade- you can improve case cooling with the addition of a couple of fans later, and everything needed for a second GPU later as well. I'd drop the RAM OC and internal lighting and pick up a Q9300 or an E8500 instead. |
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