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    Posted: 03 Jul 2020 at 1:04pm
My current DS pc is four years old now, and is starting to slow down/get hung up on things. So I'm thinking it's time for a replacement. I'm not a gamer, use a pc primarily for image file manipulation, office applications and of course browsing. I'm big on having a ton of storage. I have about 2tb of digital pictures currently, and that is going up at an increasing rate with bigger digital picture files coming all the time. I've configured a system, wondering what you guys and gals think about it for the purposes intended. Amazing that pc prices have not come down at all, if anything the opposite. Here is the build, very focused on ram and storage. I upgraded the psu, is that necessary? Another question I have is whether I need the 'data center' quality hard drives...since I have 8tb of them it adds a lot to cost. Thanks, have a great and safe fourth!

Direct Load URL: https://www.digitalstorm.com/configurator.asp?id=3224939

Specifications:
Chassis Model: Digital Storm Lumos
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7-10700K (5.1 GHz Turbo) (16-Thread) (8-Core) 3.8 GHz
Motherboard: ASUS Prime Z490-P / MSI Z490-A Pro (Intel Z490 Chipset) (Up to 2x PCI-E Devices) (No SLI Support)
System Memory: 64GB DDR4 3200MHz Digital Storm Performance Series <br><strong></strong>
Power Supply: 850W Corsair / EVGA / Thermaltake (Modular) (80 Plus Gold) <br><strong></strong>
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Optical Drive: External USB - DVD/CD 8x Multi-Drive (Writes and Reads DVDs, CDs) <br><strong></strong>
Storage Set 1: 1x SSD M.2 (1TB Samsung 970 EVO PLUS) (NVM Express) <br><strong></strong>
Storage Set 2: 2x Storage (4TB Western Digital / Seagate - Ultrastar Data Center / IronWolf) <br><strong></strong>
Storage Set 3: - No Thanks
RAID Config: - No Thanks
RAID Card: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Graphics Card(s): 1x GeForce GTX 1650 4GB
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
HPC Processor: - No Thanks
Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 1: High-Performance Copper Heat Pipe Cooler <br><strong></strong>
HydroLux Tubing Style: - Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected
HydroLux Fluid Color: - Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected
Cable Management: Premium Cable Management (Strategically Routed & Organized for Airflow)
Chassis Fans: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: - No Thanks
Airflow Control: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
LaserMark: Option Not Available
Boost Processor: Stock Factory Turbo Boost Advanced Automatic Overclocking
Boost Graphics Card(s): Yes, Overclock the video card(s) as much as possible with complete stability <br><strong></strong>
Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Home (64-Bit Edition)
Recovery Tools: USB Drive - Windows 10 Installation (Format and Clean Install)
Virus Protection: Windows Defender Antivirus (Built-in to Windows 10)
Office: - No Thanks
Mouse Pad: - No Thanks
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
Branded Gear: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, 6 Week Ship Estimate After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty (3 Year Labor & 1 Year Part Replacement)
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  Quote Bob100 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 03 Jul 2020 at 4:05pm
Any specific reason why you chose the GTX 1650 graphics card (with only 4 GB memory), and then overclocked it?

I know you are not a gamer, but you might want to consider a little higher-end GPU, without having to do an overclock.

Edited by Bob100 - 03 Jul 2020 at 4:07pm
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  Quote cohenfive Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 03 Jul 2020 at 5:39pm
Originally posted by Bob100

Any specific reason why you chose the GTX 1650 graphics card (with only 4 GB memory), and then overclocked it?

I know you are not a gamer, but you might want to consider a little higher-end GPU, without having to do an overclock.


Other than economics, no reason. I'm going to need to find a couple of 'downgrades' from the above config to make this work. Not sure if I need the 'data center' hdd's for example, or the fancy case. Ram and storage are where I want to be spending my money.
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  Quote John18 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 03 Jul 2020 at 8:11pm
I would downgrade to 32 GB of RAM, upgrade to a 2060 or 2070 Super, go with the liquid AIO Stage 2 cooler and not overclock the GPU. There is a free Stage 1 overclock of the CPU that will be just fine on the i7-10700K.
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  Quote cohenfive Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 03 Jul 2020 at 8:51pm
I went with a lot of ram because I'm manipulating a lot of very large files (image and likely video) and don't want any bottlenecks. For image and video processing I don't think the gpu is a big bottleneck, but ram, file and application speed can be. I don't see why I'd need stage 2 cooling for what I'll be doing, but if I'm wrong I'd like to hear about it. Thanks
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  Quote droddyy Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 03 Jul 2020 at 9:38pm
Realistically, everything looks great for what you're planning to do. However, I'd change a couple things;

I would definitely drop the RAM to 32GB, if you need more, that's the easiest part of the computer to upgrade.

Unless you are POSITIVE that you will not game on this computer (GPU's use the most power in the system, usually) I would drop to 600W. No need for the extra power if you won't need a card that requires it. However, having 850W for future upgrades is not any bad.

You really will not be stressing the CPU as much with what you're planning to do with your system. Unless you are a noise fanatic (most people would not mind unless looking for it specifically), an air cooler does the job and is not as loud as people complain air coolers to be.

Ditto on the 1650, no need for a GPU any more powerful to do what you are doing. If you choose a GPU, I would go for the 5700 XT instead of a 2070 Super, performance is nearly identical, for cheaper (best bang/buck), the drivers have been addressed on the 5700 XT so there are no issues with it anymore. This is, of course, if you want to consider gaming on your system, you stated that you did not, so this should not be an issue.

Storage should be fine as it is. You can always drop storage right now and add more as you need it, fairly easy.

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  Quote Cretae Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 04 Jul 2020 at 5:15am
I DK why my friends didn't simply point out that an AMD build featuring the Ryzen 3900X would be of much greater benefit for your usage. Four more cores and 8 more threads to apply to all you do will be of so much more use to you that it's maybe even a bit strange not to go there. As to why you chose Intel, you may not be aware that AMD has become a real powerhouse in competition with newer and better lines in the last couple of years. The Intel proc is for gaming, not the heavier lifting you propose.

I would recommend you upgrade your motherboard. With the most basic ones, you don't get the option for less RAM with an upgrade path as there are only 2 RAM slots. With dual channel memory, you have to have pairs. In an AMD build the recommended would be the MSI Gaming Pro Carbon with Wifi built in. An excellent board. You could ask for two 16GB sticks in two slots and have two open to match another two 16GB sticks later, if you wish to do that.

The idea of not going up on the PSU is doable. Not a bad idea.

This build is an AMD powerhouse. I built it in a Slade X to save $$. It comes in at $2408 after discount. I left everything in there you put in except the PSU upgrade and the GPU overclock. You can do that, but it won't have a lot of effect, and the card will run hotter. I added a dual fan all-in-one liquid cooler. I'm a very firm believer in as much CPU cooling as you can afford. You could probably get by with the single fan AIO, but for $40....

Digital Storm Desktop - Config ID 3226458     
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System Configuration:
Chassis Model: Digital Storm Slade X

Processor: AMD Ryzen 9 3900X (12-Core) 4.6 GHz Turbo

Motherboard: MSI MPG X570 GAMING PRO CARBON (Wi-Fi) (X570 Chipset) (Up to 2x PCI-E Devices) (No SLI Support)

System Memory: 64GB DDR4 3200MHz Digital Storm Performance Series

Power Supply: 600W Digital Storm Performance Series (Supports up to an NVIDIA RTX 2070 GPU)

Optical Drive: External USB - DVD/CD 8x Multi-Drive (Writes and Reads DVDs, CDs)

Storage Set 1: 1x SSD M.2 (500GB Samsung 970 EVO PLUS) (NVM Express)

Storage Set 2: 1x Storage (4TB Western Digital / Seagate - Ultrastar Data Center / IronWolf)
Storage Set 3: - No Thanks

Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)

Graphics Card(s): 1x GeForce GTX 1650 4GB

Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 2: Digital Storm Vortex Liquid CPU Cooler (Dual Fan) (Fully Sealed + No Maintenance)

CPU Boost: Stock Factory Turbo Boost Advanced Automatic Overclocking
Graphics: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
OS Boost: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home (64-Bit Edition)

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My hope is it gets you closer to where you want to be budget-wise without a lot of compromises. Oops, I just noticed you selected 2 of the 4GB HDDS without electing a RAID config?? Is that a mistake? If you wanted 2 of them independent of each other, you need 1 in Storage2 and one in Storage3. There is no need to buy both of those here. I'm sure you can install a hard drive when you need to.

In any event, play around with this idea if it suits you. Know that the basic GPU you picked is ~3 times as good as the one you have now. Nvidia is coming out with a whole new line in a few months.
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  Quote cohenfive Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 05 Jul 2020 at 9:23am
I don't have a reason for preferring Intel other than that I own the stock! I've always had intel cpu's, they have historically just been 'better' from what I have read. If that is no longer the case I'm open to an AMD build.
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  Quote Cretae Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Jul 2020 at 3:51am
That was the case for a very long time. It is no longer the case, for certain. You won't have to look far to confirm this. I have no bias. The two families of CPUs have a slightly different purpose IMO. Intel rules gaming still. AMD is more suited to time-consuming heavy computing like photo/video editing, rendering, and managing large data sets with more cores and threads at lower prices. 12 cores do nothing at all for gaming, but are highly useful for heavier uses.   
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AMD chips also used to be less expensive than Intel...I see that is no longer the case. I'm going to check out some AMD builds to see if that might be a better way to go for me. The main issues for price for me are how much to pay for the big storage I want..how big an ssd and do I need the fastest samsung or should I go with a cheaper version, and do I really need those big data center hdd's...On the latter my get tells me I don't need them, but DS doesn't really offer the good consumer drives in bigger sizes.

My current DS pc (the one that seems to be dying) has a 256gb ssd that is full, and I have 2x 2tb good consumer drives of which I've used about 75% of the space. I'm going to double both of those, was thinking whether I needed to go up to a 1tb ssd...possibly not, probably can get away with 500gb on the ssd since I don't think I'll need to be doubling my applications. Also I'm going up to 64gb ram, do not want bottlenecks manipulating big files.
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  Quote John18 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Jul 2020 at 9:14am
Originally posted by cohenfive

My current DS pc (the one that seems to be dying) has a 256gb ssd that is full, and I have 2x 2tb good consumer drives of which I've used about 75% of the space.


How full is your SSD?
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Full....only a few gb of spare space. Was going to see if I can free up more space to see if that improves performance of my current pc, but I need a bigger ssd on a new build...
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  Quote John18 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Jul 2020 at 12:03pm
It is recommended by manufacturers and others that a SSD should have 15% of vacant space. So the SSD being full is a possibility for the system slowdown.
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Thanks. I was thinking that. Did a disk cleanup. Seems to be running better today...but I still have the bigger issue that it is full and since it is just holding applications, there isn't much I can do about it other than to replace it. Which I guess I should consider doing, maybe as a first step to see if that was the issue. I am a bit worried (ie, scared) about doing that since the ssd has the os and all my other applications on it, so ideally I'd like a perfect mirror of that drive on any new one and am not sure how to do that. 
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  Quote John18 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Jul 2020 at 3:53pm
Research "image backup software" if you want a perfect image.

Do you actually need an image backup or can you reinstall some programs that don't need serious speed onto a HDD and/or move data files over to the HDD and leave the applications themselves on the SSD? If so you can simply backup data files and don't need an image to do that.

Regardless of what you choose you should go do some research on various types of backups (image, incremental and data), how they work and what you will use as backup media and why.
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You want to clone your drive. There are various programs that do this. You can do this as long as the drive you are cloning to has the same or more capacity.
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Originally posted by hoserator

You want to clone your drive. There are various programs that do this. You can do this as long as the drive you are cloning to has the same or more capacity.
Good luck.


Agree. Free version of Macrium Reflect was very easy to use for me.

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  Quote Cretae Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 07 Jul 2020 at 4:16am
As far as drives in a new rig are concerned, it's clear your choices are limited to what is offered here. I would recommend you get a Samsung 512GB NVMe 970 PRO for your primary drive, and just one additional HDD that you think best for your needs. The Samsung Pro is one of the fastest and most reliable NVMes available anywhere, and will allow for nearly instant software execution and super-speedy drive scans.

Then you can shop at a later date for additional storage as your needs become better defined. Storage devices are actually very easy to install yourself, and come down in price regularly. No doubt you would pay more now for storage you may not actually use for months or a year or two.

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  Quote SnowandSand Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 07 Jul 2020 at 7:37am
Originally posted by cohenfive

AMD chips also used to be less expensive than Intel...I see that is no longer the case.


AMD chips are cheaper than Intel as far as core counts go. You can get a R9 3900x for $399-$422 where as the I9 10900 is still more expensive. Not sure why DS's build prices don't reflect this. I personally run the 3900x in my build as I like to game and I am working my way into video editing. Also as has been previously said storage is getting cheaper and is super easy to self install if and when you want to add more!

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