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    Posted: 28 Aug 2010 at 6:08am
Hi everyone.

First post here and I must say I am very impressed when browsing the DS website, we dont have anything like this here in Ireland. My wife (Wisconsin native) and I are moving stateside (WI) and I hope to put together a new rig around december but want to do my research early to get the best I can get. These are the specs below.

I have a few questions for the gurus on here:
1. The 942 HAF X seems like a solid case, that true?
2. Happy to go with the i7 930 as if OC's the same as the other 900 series. Good decision?
3. The mother board I have chosen, the ASUS P6X58D, has gotten good reviews. Better to stick or go with the Asus rampage 3?
4. Any input on the ram I have chosen?
5. The 2*120Gb Corsair drives? Are they the nova series?
   I want to get 2 ssd's in Raid 0, but have also heard good things about this drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227578
Whats the advantage of having them in raid 0 or is there any? Also heard good things about the intel drives.
6. Is the graphics card overkill or would I be better off
getting 2*480s SLI? Ive heard ridiculous things bout the 5970 though
7. How good is this air cooling option? Should I water cool instead?
8. Should I make any changes?

Thats all I can think of, rig will be used for games games games. Thanks for all the advice/help in advance.

Specifications:
Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Cooler Master 942 HAF X
Exterior Finish: !PROMOTION: FREE Exterior High-Gloss Paint Finish (TJ09 Chassis Only, Select Color After Purchase)
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 930 2.8GHz (Quad Core)
Motherboard: ASUS P6X58D Premium SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Features USB 3.0 and SATA 6Gb/s)
System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1600MHz Corsair Dominator with DHX Extreme Edition
Power Supply: 1000W Digital Storm Certified (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition Highly Recommended)
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 2x (120GB Solid State (By: Corsair) (Model: Drive Force Series CSSD-F120GB2-BRKT)
Set 1 Raid Options: Configure HDD Set 1 to a Raid 0 Config - Stripe Performance (Requires Two HDDs)
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 1x (1TB Western Digital Caviar (7200 RPM) (64MB Cache) (Model: Black Edition WD1002FAEX)
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: Wireless-PCI N 300Mbps (Supports 802.11n/g/b)
Video Card: 1x ATI Radeon HD 5970 4GB (Sapphire Toxic Overclocked Edition 280-4GTSR)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 2: Noctua NH-D14 Extreme Performance (Does NOT fit on the regular EVGA X58 3X SLI)
H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: - No Thanks
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Stage 1: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz (Cooling Upgrade Recommended)
Boost Video Card: FREE: Yes, Overclock the video card(s) as much as possible with complete stability
Boost Memory: Memory Fan Kit Only (Does not include memory overclocking service)
Boost OS: FREE: Yes, Disable and tweak all of the non-crucial services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-Bit Edition)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Benchmarking: - No Thanks
Install/Test Game: - No Thanks
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Customer Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty

Total Price with Instant Savings: $3,817.00
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Posts: 2247 		  Quote Dragoonseal Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Aug 2010 at 9:36am
Originally posted by bally7

1. The 942 HAF X seems like a solid case, that true?

Good case. Good cooling, decent price, lots of room.

Unless you're trying to fit in a huge motherboard I prefer the 932, almost as huge, slightly better air flow, and $42 cheaper, but the differences are not huge so if you prefer the look of the 942 go for it.

2. Happy to go with the i7 930 as if OC's the same as the other 900 series. Good decision?

Correct.

3. The mother board I have chosen, the ASUS P6X58D, has gotten good reviews. Better to stick or go with the Asus rampage 3?

If you're picking it for the USB 3.0 you can just select the EVGA USB 3.0 PCIe card from the Add-on Card menu instead for much cheaper, just $25. If you're picking it for the SATA III 6Gb/s, don't. I'd recommend the cheaper EVGA x59 LE instead.

4. Any input on the ram I have chosen?

You're going to get barely even measurable performance increases from the tighter timings, not worth the extra cost.

5. The 2*120Gb Corsair drives? Are they the nova series?

Those are Corsair Force (SandForce) drives.

I want to get 2 ssd's in Raid 0, but have also heard good things about this drive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227578

The RevoDrive is just two SandForce SSDs in RAID0, in a PCIe format. It actually performs worse than two normal SandForce SSDs in RAID0, oddly enough, don't bother.

Whats the advantage of having them in raid 0 or is there any? Also heard good things about the intel drives.

Faster sequential speeds, potentially faster small file speeds as well but only under really heavy loads. The benefits of RAID0 with SSDs is not nearly as pronounced as going from HDDs to SSDs to start with.

I prefer Intel SSDs, but for normal desktop use the differences between them and SandForce drives are fairly unnoticeable, and probably splitting hairs one way or another.

6. Is the graphics card overkill or would I be better off
getting 2*480s SLI? Ive heard ridiculous things bout the 5970 though

If your monitor is just 1920x1200 or lower resolution then two 480s is unnecessary, but yes two 480s is much preferable to a 5970.

Especially a 4GB 5970, good grief. Yes it's ridiculous, ridiculously overpriced. A normal 5970 is two underclocked and overpriced 1GB 5870s in Crossfire, the 4GB version is two underclocked and even more overpriced 2GB 5870s in Crossfire.

7. How good is this air cooling option? Should I water cool instead?

Liquid cooling is never necessary, a good air cooler works great.

8. Should I make any changes?

Well for one that free paint selection is only for the TJ09 case, and a memory fan kit won't fit along with the Noctua NH-D14 air cooler, it is quite large, plus a memory fan is fairly redundant when a CPU air cooler will already provide additional airflow over the memory sticks anyway.

Then of course the other things I went over, I'd switch the memory, motherboard, and GPUs, plus the PSU along with that since you'd want a 1200w for dual 480s or a 750w for a single 480. I'd change the SSDs as well, but the Corsair Force drives are not terrible.

I'd also drop the free OS tweak. The disabled services or visual effects are barely even a blip on the radar of an overclocked 930 processor and you can easily miss out on helpful or nice looking things by disabling them. Better to just tweak the OS to your preferences on your own.
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Posts: 165 		  Quote bally7 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Aug 2010 at 11:16am
Thanks for the great and detailed response! I also read the buying guide which was super helpful!

Either 932 or the X are cool so might as well save a few dollars

Yeah Im changing to the motherboard you mentioned.

I will change to 2*80gig intel drives in Raid 0. Can I ask those two intels in Raid 0 compared with a regular 7200 HDD. What kind of performance difference are we looking at?

2* 480s it is...but with regard to monitors I have no idea where or what kind of 2560*1600 resolution monitors are out there. What would be a nice one to get the most out of the 2*480s? any suggestions where I would even get one?

Also making you're other changes, saving some serious dosh! Thanks man, appreciate it!
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New Spec:
Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Cooler Master HAF 932
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 930 2.8GHz (Quad Core)
Motherboard: EVGA X58 LE Edition SLI (Intel X58 Chipset)
System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1600MHz Corsair Dominator with DHX Extreme Edition
Power Supply: 1200W Digital Storm Certified (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition Highly Recommended)
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 2x (80GB Solid State (By: Intel) (Model: X25-M MLC Edition) (Extreme Performance)
Set 1 Raid Options: Configure HDD Set 1 to a Raid 0 Config - Stripe Performance (Requires Two HDDs)
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 1x (1TB Hitachi/Seagate (7200 RPM) (32MB Cache)
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 2x SLI Dual (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480 1.5GB (Includes PhysX Technology)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 1: Noctua Dual 120mm Fans High Performance Cooler (Compatible With ONLY i7 Processors)
H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: - No Thanks
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: FREE: Stage 1: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz (Cooling Upgrade Recommended)
Boost Video Card: FREE: Yes, Overclock the video card(s) as much as possible with complete stability
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-Bit Edition)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Benchmarking: - No Thanks
Install/Test Game: - No Thanks
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Customer Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty
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Posts: 4219 		  Quote !ender_ Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Aug 2010 at 11:36am
looking really good but with dual 480s youre not going to want or need an overclock on them. dual 480s are at the top, and if youre using 1920x1080, overclocking them will do nothing but cause you unnessesary heat and power draw
 
unless you are benchmarking, its just not needed. plus, if a game comes up where you need to overclock, its very easy to toggle on instead of having it on all the time
 
on a seperate but related issue, i think the raid on the SSDs may be a bit overkill as well, unless you are doing a lot of work that requires some serious read/write, that money would likely be better spent on a sound card or a 2nd monitor in my opinion
 
both of these are really preference though, build looks great, just trying to add in some feedback
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So lose the 2nd 80gig SSD and the raid? And put the cash toward other goodies...cool i like that idea as long as the single ssd is still pretty quick :)

Can you guys reccomend any of the uber resolution monitors?

Also, I read somewhere maybe liquid cooling just the GPU's would be an idea, would this cost an arm?

Thanks for the feedback! really appreciate it!
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Originally posted by bally7

So lose the 2nd 80gig SSD and the raid? And put the cash toward other goodies...cool i like that idea as long as the single ssd is still pretty quick :)

Don't worry, they are, ridiculously so. An Intel SSD has 80-100 times faster small file read/write performance and at least twice the sequential (large) file read performance of any conventional HDD available. Once you've had one you'll never go back to conventional HDDs for anything other than media storage.

Can you guys reccomend any of the uber resolution monitors?

Sadly I am monitor stupid, I'll have to let others chime in to help.

Also, I read somewhere maybe liquid cooling just the GPU's would be an idea, would this cost an arm?

And a leg, yes. Liquid cooling is never never required, they cool themselves just fine by themselves.
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Originally posted by Dragoonseal


Originally posted by bally7

So lose the 2nd 80gig SSD and the raid? And put the cash toward other goodies...cool i like that idea as long as the single ssd is still pretty quick :)
Don't worry, they are, ridiculously so. An Intel SSD has 80-100 times faster small file read/write performance and at least twice the sequential (large) file read performance of any conventional HDD available. Once you've had one you'll never go back to conventional HDDs for anything other than media storage.
Can you guys reccomend any of the uber resolution monitors?
Sadly I am monitor stupid, I'll have to let others chime in to help.
Also, I read somewhere maybe liquid cooling just the GPU's would be an idea, would this cost an arm?
And a leg, yes. Liquid cooling is never never required, they cool themselves just fine by themselves.


Ok that all sounds logical.

Now, anyone any ideas on some uber resolution monitors to get the most out of 2*480s in SLI?

Thanks again guys
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yea definitely not required, however to answer your question, its definitely an option to only lc the video cards, and actually more practical than LCing a processer in my personal opinion
 
as far as monitors, it really depends on what you mean by huge monitor, and how much there is to spend on one. i personally have a LG W2340, i have the glossy one, not sure if this one is.. but its 1920x1080 and 23" and i actually find myself moving my head slightly to see both sides of it when im playing a game, and the picture is really great.. so i dont know what more to want really
 
however, there are others who tend to be more extreme then me, and they prefer the far more expensive ips monitors, which are favored for thier supposed better color range? i dont know, ive never used one so i cant say they arent worth it
 
personally, id suggest getting dual monitors over an IPS monitor, i love using dual monitors in almost every respect, and its wornderful for gaming to have up all my friends lists/chat windows, mp3 player, vent, etc on my 2nd monitor while playing, and the uses for photoshop painting, even browsing are unlimited
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Well what im looking for monitor wise is a 2560x1600 resolution beast. Only thing is they seem to be very rare...

Where do I even get one.

Newegg has one HP one but apparently the Dell one in that rage is supposed to be better....and they are expensive!
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"To view the Dell 3008WFP-HC monitor native resolution of 2560x1600, your PC must have a dual-link DVI-D compatible graphics card that supports this resolution"

Anyone know if the 480 is a dual-link DVI-D compatible graphics card?
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yes, all fermis are, thats not really new any more
 
the problem is that going up to a res like that... youre going to have to have a HUGE monitor to see any benefit.. if thats what you really want its cool, but id probably take a serious look at ips monitors before trying to go up that high
 
remember, resolution is just a indvidual dot of color count. if you have an hd tv and you think it looks sharp, you would be almost doubling your pixel count for this monitor, granted it will be closer to you, but it will also be smaller
 
furthermore, refresh rates will become a problem as you get higher, and you dont want to mess with that, becuase thats something that will visually impact your gaming badly with nasty looking ghosting
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What exactly is ghosting? Thats probably a dumb question...but I am monitor stupid as well.

Refresh rates are measured in "ms" yeah? so 6ms is acceptable?

now when you say ips monitors what does that mean? Im lost :)
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ghosting is basically a glow you will get from frame to frame when your monitor can not push the the new info up fast enough, think of it like a motion blue behind everything that moves, it typically shows in a luminecent (lol spelling?) greyish tone
 
ips monitor is in-plane switching, which basically means they are built different to make color reproduction more accurate... again, i dont see a point but i have not used one so i cant say if its worth it or not
 
and sadly, the MS rating of a monitor can be easily skewed, so while 6 should be fine.... most mfg tend to be... generous with these ratings of thier own hardware
 
its a really good idea to try and see some of the better name brands in person and hopefully even test them before buying, id look at samsung, LG, dell, and hp
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These 2 have good reviews, however they are pricey

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Displays/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=223-4890

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/products/Displays/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&cs=19&sku=224-8284

So what about keyboard and mouse? I have a logitech and razer and both have done well
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yea, pricey is an understatement, its just something i cant comprehend. but i also HATE spending money, so if i can get something that i feel is good enough for a much lower price, thats what i'll always look for. maybe im niave but on my screen the colors are rich and sharp and thats all im really after, and it only cost 200 /shrug   point being i cant really advise you in that range becuase i just dont look there, i have seen several forum members mention getting ips monitors for much closer to 500, but im not sure what size

keyboards you wont get much help from me either.. having tried the higher end gaming boards like the g15 and lycosa i actually returned both of the, the g15 was limited to a max of 4 keypresses? lol and the lycosa felt like a laptop to me, which i didnt really like, not much feedback on the keypresses, i have stuck with my logitech intenet navigator keyboard for almost 10 years now, havent found anything i like, i just make sure to take really good care of it because im very very particular about feel and layout
 
mouse isnt really the same, i used a mx518 for 6 years or so, went through 2 in that time, so i wouldnt give them rave reviews for how long they last but they game very well, currently ive moved to roccat from logitech for both my headphones and mouse, the Roccat Kave and Roccat Kone. I love both of them dearly. i like razer products too, i actually use thier eXact mat mousepad, one of the few that actually still come with wristpads
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Cool man, thanks for all the info, I think ill need to think long and hard about the monitor...if my wife found out...she would definitely do bads things.

Im gona think on it and let you guys know!

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