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    Posted: 31 Dec 2009 at 1:24pm
Hey guys, new to the forum and love my new DS computer, but having a really painful problem and hoped one of you supergeniuses could help me out.  BTW, DS has been awesome about helping me but this problem is stumping me bigtime.  When I boot up, the computer either picks the stock speed of 2.66 Ghz or the overclocked speed of 4.0 Ghz.  Speedstep is disabled, W7 is set to high performance, and temps are fine.  The core speed stays the same no matter the load or time on the computer.  Under CPU-Z I notice the multiplier is always x21, but the bus speed and qpi link are different (133 and 1592 for stock, and 190 and 3429ish for overclock).  When it boots as 4.0 Ghz, the computer flies....FSX at max settings is smooth and NWN2 at max plays about 90 fps average.  When it boots at 2.66, FSX runs about 4 fps and NWN2 at about 25 fps average with all the same settings.  Again, it just seems to be random when it decides to boot up overclocked or not, and loading up the system when the stock speed shows up does not change it.  Any ideas?  Below are my system specs.
 
i7 920 OC to 4.0Ghz
EVGA x58 3x SLI Mobo
W7 Home
6GB DDR3 1600Mhz
1000w
 
 
 
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  Quote guitarfan1 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 13 Jan 2010 at 10:27pm
Did you ever get this problem solved? Now I'm scared. I just ordered almost the exact configuration you have today.
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  Quote switchf16 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 14 Jan 2010 at 10:45am
Guitarfan....Hey, so this is what I've found so far....and it's a little strange.  Basically, the computer will either start up on a single boot or do the ole double boot, which of course scared me the first time I started it since I'd never seen a rig do that before.  According to what I've learned from different forums, the double boot is normal for a lot of these Intel chipsets and supposedly is designed to occur to help the overclock, tho in my case it does the opposite.  Now when it decides to do the double boot is a bit random as well, tho it seems that the colder the computer, the more chance of a double boot.  When the computer has been used a lot, it tends to restart or just boot with a single go and not shutdown part way through and start up again.  Annoying, but supposedly normal.  Here's what happens with mine tho.  If it single boots, it starts overclocked.  If it double boots, the initial screen (if you see it, sometimes there's no signal to the monitor and it's just blank) shows the overclock, but when the double boot/restart occurs the new startup screen shows stock and windows loads at 2.66 Ghz.  So single boot...oc, double boot...stock.  Here's the weird part. If during a double boot I decide to make a pit stop in the bios, when I exit the bios it will boot up overclocked.  Even if I made NO changes in the bios.  Seriously, just hit Del and go to bios, look at it and say "hmm, bios", exit without changes and it boots up overclocked.  I've made changes to the bios that doesn't affect the double boot.  I'm hoping a newer bios for the E758 mobo will fix the double boot, since in my case that's what APPEARS to stop the overclock.  The good news is there's a workaround for now if it double boots by stopping at the bios.  BTW, the difference in performance in games between the stock and OC is enormous on my system.  Hope this helps, and these things are finicky.  Yours may never double boot and you may have zero issues, but if it does don't be too alarmed.
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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 14 Jan 2010 at 11:41am
there is most certainly something wrong, maybe old BIOS, PSU issue, MOBO problem, overclock issue(s)
It should always boot up with the overclock. always
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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 14 Jan 2010 at 1:15pm
I would recommend updating to the latest BIOS first. If that doesn't fix it, contact us and we'll have you try completely different overclock settings.
 
@guitarfan1,
No need to be alarmed, computers can be very complex machines. We do our best to test/benchmark the units before they leave our facility. If a customer does have issues, 90% of the time we iron them out over the phone. Sometimes it's the customers environment (accessories plugged in, power draw issues, etc...) or just fine-tuning the overclock.
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  Quote switchf16 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 16 Jan 2010 at 12:53pm
Just an update fellas.  I updated to the new Beta 43 bios off the EVGA Forums website - http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=120733 - , then started from scratch with the overclock procedures off their X58 SLI forum - http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=20028 - Right now I'm not seeing the double boot issue, it boots up overclocked at 4.2 everytime, and seems stable with fine temps (water cooled).  Hoping it stays that way, because DS built a beautiful computer, and it's been fun tweaking it.  And it screams btw.  Will keep you informed if there's any change in status. Justin and Alex, thanks for the words, highly appreciated.
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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 16 Jan 2010 at 5:10pm
Awesome!
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  Quote Pilgrim Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 16 Jan 2010 at 10:19pm
 
I must be missing something...but shouldn't DS be shipping the
motherboards they recommend with the latest BIOS already
installed?  What are the odds the BIOS was updated AFTER
the customers order was shipped?  What am I missing?  :(
 
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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 16 Jan 2010 at 11:13pm
the odds of a new BIOS, or driver coming out, from the time they build your PC till you get it, is pretty good. Also I believe that this person installed a Beta bios.
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  Quote switchf16 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 Jan 2010 at 12:31pm
The bios I installed was a beta off the EVGA site, and it came out last week, a day before I flashed it.  Do seem to come out pretty regularly.  And still zero problems booting up. 
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  Quote Pilgrim Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 Jan 2010 at 2:39pm
 
really?
 
a new bios come out every 2 weeks for every motherboard?
 
hard to believe...if true it seems like crappy coding unless
the motherboard has just been released in the past couple of months...Clap
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  Quote Bullseye Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 19 Jan 2010 at 1:39pm
Technology my friend!
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  Quote Pilgrim Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 19 Jan 2010 at 4:39pm
 
I worked in the compter science field for 30 years and even MY code
wasn't that crappy....of course, is was mostly assembler, some Pascal
some Fortran. Not the stuff they use today.  Smile
 
 
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  Quote Bullseye Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 20 Jan 2010 at 1:09am
very true
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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 20 Jan 2010 at 9:16am
it has nothing to do with crappy code, it has to deal with new products. BIOS needs to be updated to be compliant with new RAM, keyboards, mice, sound cards, GPU's CPU's hard drives, ect... Yes they are continually working on bugs, like some won't boot when very cold, or to give better stuff, like new  memory timing options.. The list goes on for nearly forever. lol
Same with drivers, ATI release drivers every month, and also usually adds a hot fix, just like most of the other hardware, plus look at all the software updates..


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  Quote Pilgrim Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 20 Jan 2010 at 12:01pm
 
got it,,,,,btw, does anyone know what code is used to
implement the functionality of the GPU?
 
Not CUDA, which i guess could be called an application language.
 
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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 20 Jan 2010 at 12:08pm
what code? in the BIOS of the MOBO, or GPU? or in OS? what are you trying to do? lol
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  Quote Pilgrim Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 20 Jan 2010 at 2:05pm
 
Let's see if i can phrase it right......in Assembler(or C++ or whatever), first you compile the code, create a Load module by "Linking" It.  The load module consists of nothing but binary 0's and 1's. 
 
Whatever the O/S system you are running then reads, translates and performs the operations on the binary gates (i.e., transistors).
 
The Fermi card supposedly has 3 billion transistors, otherwise known
as "gates" that let the current flow through them based on how they
are instructed to......is a binary "1" required from me or a binary ""0"
required? 
 
Put togehter enough gates and you have one instruction.
Put together billions all switching on and off creates our nice graphics.
 
Because I am not familiar with graphics cards,
I guess my question is what is the process that is
used by the graphic card to LOAD and EXECUTE the
"file" of instructions that are being fed to it.
 
I am trying to understand the process in comparison
to that of a PC or a mainframe.
 
What is the analogy?
 
Part of my background is Compiler Design and Computer
Architecture and I am trying to look at the graphics card from
that perspective.
 
Inquiring minds want to know.....
 
Seems this is the wrong thread for this dicussion so Dr. Alex
can move it if needed.
 
                                          me
Kinda got away from me.....Dead
 
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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 20 Jan 2010 at 2:25pm
read this, might lead you in the right direction.. a little. http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/everything_you_need_know_about_nvidias_gf100_gpu
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  Quote police215 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 03 Mar 2010 at 2:20pm

I have some concerns about my overclocking. If I reformat the computer with the image disk, does it keep all my overclocking? I have been in the BIOS but i do not have the knowledgeable experience as to what i need to be look at. I have the screen shots of what they have done, but like i said i do not have the experence.

I just want to make sure all the settings are where there supposed to be.  

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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 03 Mar 2010 at 3:07pm
you can save your oc to a profile in the bios, that way you will save them.

formating the HDD has nothing to do with the cpu oc, cpu oc is nothing but settings in the bios, there is a good chance that DS has already saved your oc to a profile, call them and ask.
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