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    Posted: 31 Jul 2010 at 8:24pm
Hello all! I am so glad I ran across Digital Storm, I was about to buy a crappy dell again. I am running a 630i XPS right now and it has run its course. It meets the minimum requirements for Final Fantasy 14 but I want to play it on high :)

I am a buying a house soon so I am trying not to spend too much money on a computer. Definitely wanted to keep it under $2000. I have a monitor I will be playing on that plays in 1400 x 900. It's old but I like it :). Take a look at my configuration and see if theres any suggestions and let me know. I was also wondering about the different cases, which one is the best for airflow and in my price range. I like the way the Malestorm looks but is the Assassin a lot better?

Ticket Number: 427227
Total Price with Instant Savings: $1,761.00

Direct Load URL: http://www.digitalstormonline.com/comploadsaved.asp?id=427227

Specifications:
Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Maelstrom
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 930 2.8GHz (Quad Core)
Motherboard: EVGA X58 Micro Edition SLI (Intel X58 Chipset)
System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 750W Corsair TX (Dual SLI Compatible)
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (500GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 2x SLI Dual (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 768MB (Includes PhysX Technology)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 1: Noctua Dual 120mm Fans High Performance Cooler (Compatible With ONLY i7 Processors)
H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Green)
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: FREE: Stage 1: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz (Cooling Upgrade Recommended)
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-Bit Edition)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Benchmarking: - No Thanks
Install/Test Game: - No Thanks
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: FREE: Digital Storm T-Shirt - Black (Large)
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Customer Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty
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  Quote AmarantND Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 31 Jul 2010 at 11:29pm
Also, I heard that the LED Fans were loud and not as good as default case fans. Is this true?
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  Quote teaiewold Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Aug 2010 at 12:12pm
i would go with this instead of what you got. Costs a little more at $1818, Ticket 427395
 
Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Cooler Master HAF 932
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 930 2.8GHz (Quad Core)
Motherboard: EVGA X58 Micro Edition SLI (Intel X58 Chipset)
System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 750W Digital Storm Certified (Dual SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition Recommended)
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (500GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480 1.5GB (Includes PhysX Technology)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 1: Noctua Dual 120mm Fans High Performance Cooler (Compatible With ONLY i7 Processors)
H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: - No Thanks
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: FREE: Stage 1: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz (Cooling Upgrade Recommended)
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-Bit Edition)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Benchmarking: - No Thanks
Install/Test Game: FREE: Hot-selling game with a NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250 or above graphics card
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: FREE: Digital Storm T-Shirt - Black (Xtra Large)
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Customer Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty

 
 


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  Quote AmarantND Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Aug 2010 at 4:00pm
So basically only difference is the single 480 instead of 2 460? Case and no corsair PSU? I was under the impression that 2 SLI'ed 460's perform better than a single 480 although I know I could upgrade to another 480 down the road.
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  Quote WardTheSteak Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Aug 2010 at 4:06pm
No..  A 480 will outperform two 460's.  Also, change to the corsair PSU.  And, maybe go with a gtx 470 instead, and try to upgrade your monitor to something with a higher resolution lol you won't regret it once you do.  You have find some for pretty damn cheap on newegg they always have good deals.  But, if you're gonna keep that monitor a gtx 480 is overkill at your resolution.
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  Quote AmarantND Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Aug 2010 at 4:11pm
I see. So which is the best case to go for? And also, I want to have every fan available in the case(say the 932). If you keep the stock case fans, does it come with the side, top, back and front? If not, is there a configuration that does come with those? ( Zalman? )

Also, I am planning on upgrading my monitor somewhat soon as well. I was reading reviews of the GTX 460 SLI and it did look like it outperformed a single 480 in benchmarks but I do like the fact that I could upgrade later. Thoughts?
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  Quote Dragoonseal Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Aug 2010 at 9:33pm
Originally posted by AmarantND

Also, I am planning on upgrading my monitor somewhat soon as well. I was reading reviews of the GTX 460 SLI and it did look like it outperformed a single 480 in benchmarks but I do like the fact that I could upgrade later. Thoughts?

They do outperform a 480, anywhere from a decent bit to only a little bit, the difference between them being a lot smaller the higher the settings and resolution.

But what happens in games that don't support SLI, or don't scale well with it? Plus it can limit your upgrade options, though in a way it can also add options as well.

The option you'd lose going with dual 460s is not being able to expand to dual 480s, but keep in mind that you'd need a bigger PSU to support dual 480s anyway. The option you would gain is the ability to upgrade to triple SLI 460s in the future, but that too would need a bigger PSU.

Choices, choices...
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  Quote WardTheSteak Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 12:07am
Hmmm, I guess I was wrong, but at the end of the day I would go with a single card.  You will have the option to go with a second 480 or upgrade to another single card in the future anyways. 
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  Quote Raif Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 4:44am
i would switch from the 500g hdd to the 1tb hdd you will see a significant boost in performance. the old 32 mb cache version is 90% of the speed of the veloci's for much cheaper. i am not entirely too famililair with the 64 mb cache version but i would think it is safe to assume it is just as fast as a veloci for less money as well.

the swap is around a 100 bucks more and it is worth it.

one other possible swap would be to switch your psu to the corsair equivalent they are more reliable, better quality and they have a better warranty.

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  Quote WardTheSteak Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 11:45am

You're not gonna see a huge jump in performance.  The only way you will see that is by going with an ssd.  Also, he doesn't have a velociraptor selected, he just has the basic 500gb western digital hdd, and he should put his money elsewhere then if he can squeeze in some extra hard drive space then he could go with a tb.

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  Quote !ender_ Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 11:49am
dont be fooled by the dual 460 vs 480 marketing, a single 480 is better and more future proof, and single card is always >>>>>>> multiple in your price range and monitor size
 
you didnt list an actual price limit/range, do you want to stick with 1700 ish? i actually like the build you listed in your first post if you switch to 1 gtx 480
 
 
and it is NOT true that you will gain by going up to a larger cache hdd than 32, you will see no gain, and would be hard pressed to even benchmark a difference
 
just a warning, dragoon will likely drop the hammer for this mispost, id duck and cover
 
 
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  Quote Dragoonseal Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 12:48pm
Eh, it could go either way, it's kind of subjective whether or not to call it a big jump in performance or not. So you're all kind of right.

There are definitely extremely little performance differences between drives that are similar but have different cache amounts. For example 1TB 32MB cache HDDs, 1TB 64MB cache HDDs, they're all pretty much the same with only around a 5% performance difference at most. This holds true for smaller HDDs too, the difference between 500GB 8MB cache HDDs and 500GB 16MB cache HDDs is almost not measurable.

But there is a larger, and much more measurable, difference between what I would call generations of HDDs. The performance of 500GB and 1TB generations of HDDs is larger not only because of larger cache sizes (if that is even much of a factor at all) but because of overall improvements on a lot of levels. Increased platter sizes, increased data density, increased number of platters, faster spindle heads, etc.

So a whole generation of improvements, which makes a bigger difference, but with HDD performance numbers being so damn small regardless I don't know if you could really call it a big or huge difference. I want to say that most 500GB HDDs max out around 80MB/s for sequential speeds and 1TB HDDs max out at around 130MB/s. And small file speeds are.. ugh almost unmeasurable on any conventional HDDs, I don't have any numbers on hand but the difference there should be be significant.

I say this is subjective cause on one hand you can sit there and say 80MB/s to 130MB/s, that's a 60% improvement! But then on the other hand we're only taking sequential speeds, and we're only taking a 50MB/s difference, so eh. This becomes especially irrelevant if you can fit a SSD for OS/apps into the mix, because then the HDD is only for media storage and the speed difference becomes fairly moot.

Here's an old HDD article I just found doing a Google search. It's old and on last gen 500GB HDDs but the info is still all pertinent to the discussion. Conventional HDD tech remains unchanged from then, just bigger, more density, more cache, etc.
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  Quote Raif Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 2:20pm
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the GTX 460 is based on the 104 architecture, which is a cheaper, water downed setup.  It does perform well with Dx9 games, lower settings, low AA, AF. 
 Dx11 games, and max eye candy 3 GTX 460's will fall behind 1 GTX 480. so pick your poison. lol
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  Quote Dragoonseal Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 3:23pm
Originally posted by justin.kerr

the GTX 460 is based on the 104 architecture, which is a cheaper, water downed setup.  It does perform well with Dx9 games, lower settings, low AA, AF. 
 Dx11 games, and max eye candy 3 GTX 460's will fall behind 1 GTX 480. so pick your poison. lol

Are you sure? I've only skimmed through the benchmarks from a few reviews, but I see dual SLI 460s beating a 480 across the board in every game and resolution in average FPS except for Metro 2033 at 2560x1600.

Or did you mean minimum frame wise? I did see a review that showed minimum FPS scores for a few games and the dual SLI 460s definitely fell very short in that regard compared to a 480. Also another review had a blurb about it, that even with lower numbers across the board gameplay with a single 480 was much more fluid. Also they noticed SLI didn't work correctly with the game Singularity.
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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 3:37pm
yes. depending on game and settings, the GTX 460 in SLI get about 1/2 the FPS as a single GTX 470 if you are lucky. lol
If you are looking at review sites, good luck finding one that actually cranks up the eye candy.  even on a fairly easy to run game like BFBC2 sli GTX 460's get 20FPS... then there is Metro. lol less than  1 FPS..
again it will depend on the game. but Dx9 with lower settings, the GTX 460, or in SLI or TRI do very well, beating a single GTX 480
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the problem is that sli'ing the cards vs a single card skews the numbers, look at the graphs in your link, the 460 shoots through the roof in places that are low load, which skews the numbers for "average" comparison significantly, i didnt read the whole thing, but based off you saying "that even with lower numbers across the board gameplay with a single 480 was much more fluid"
this is so important becuase maximum fps doesnt mean crap, minumum fps and consistancy are really the only numbers that matters in a 2v1 matchup in my opinion.
example:
in a run down a blank hallway and the 460s rocket up to 200 compared to a 480s 90
during a firefight, if the 460s drop 20 fps, compared to a 480 dropping to 50
 
the 2x460s will show a higher overall average and lots of higher peaks, but when you actually play, you will feel it every time you get close to 40fps, where the 480 never lets you get that low, which is what they mean when they are comparing the numbers to the actual flow of gameplay
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main advantage of GF104's vs. GF100's that I'm seeing across the board is the fact that they use significantly less power, and make significantly less heat.

since we're on the topic of GF104s though, just wondering on anyone's opinion on how a completely unlocked GF104 core would do? rumors are going around that since the GTX 460 is only using up 7/8's of its potential, nvidia might release a "GTX 475" once the GTX 470s are sold off with a fully unlocked GF104 core.
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  Quote AmarantND Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Aug 2010 at 10:12pm
Which case would you guys recommend. I definitely want a full size case. I was thinking either HAF X, 932, or Maelstrom. Which case has the best airflow and would be the best for me? Also, when you order one of these cases, how many fans actually come with the case? I've seen some that didn't have the top fans.
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932 all the way imo, all the cases are actually pretty good, youll have to ask DSO as far as which cases come with which fans
 
also, they do NOT come painted like you see on the configuration window, most of them are all black
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