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    Posted: 04 Nov 2011 at 5:36pm
Hi, I'm in the process of buying a new computer that will be used for gaming (WoW and possibly other MMORPGs, RPGs and strategy games but we're not big on first person shooters) as well as general use.  I want something that's reasonably versatile that can be upgraded as needed but I also want to keep the total cost under $2000.00.  My current computer (a DELL xps with a single core processor) still runs WoW well enough, but a lot of the new games coming out require dual core or better processors, so it's time for an upgrade.

I was trying to decide between the level 2 crusader set up as my starting point (with a few upgrades) or the level 2 renegade.  It seems that the basic set up for these two is the same except for the case design (same MB, processor, RAM, cooling system etc.) and the cost is very similar--is there a significant difference between the two that I'm missing here?  The total cost so far the way I've specced it is 1817.00, so I can go a little higher if needed.


Questions:  Should I upgrade the MB from the basic starting point?  I'm not sure if supporting SLI is something I need right now, but might it become important later on?  I'd like to be able to use this machine for years.  Also, should I go to 16 MB ram right off the bat?  I've heard that Win 7 is such a memory hog that you need a ton of RAM just to run the OS (my current machine runs windows xp and has 4MB of RAM, which is a bit sluggish at times).

Thanks,

Erica

Level 2 Crusader

-Chassis model=Cooler Master CM 690 II Advanced
-processor=Intel Core i7 2600K 3.40GHz (Unlocked CPU for Extreme Overclocking) (Quad Core) [+$146]
-Motherboard=ASUS P8P67 (Intel P67 Chipset) (New B3 Revision) (Does Not Support SLI)
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Memory=8GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
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power supply=800W Corsair GS (Dual SLI Compatible)
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Hard drive=1x (500GB Western Digital Caviar (7200 RPM) (16MB Cache) (Model: Blue Edition)
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optical drive=DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x)
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Video card=1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 1GB (Includes PhysX Technology) (EVGA Edition)
-audio=
Integrated Motherboard Audio
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cooling=H20: Stage 2: Digital Storm Vortex Liquid CPU Cooler (High-Performance Edition)
-fans=
Standard Factory Chassis Fans
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FREE: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz
-OS=
Microsoft Windows 7 Professional (64-Bit Edition) [+$32]
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Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows 7 CD)
-Monitor etc.=
!PROMO BUNDLE: Acer 22 inch LCD + Logitech (Keyboard + Mouse) + Logitech Speakers [+$198]

Edited by EricaW - 04 Nov 2011 at 11:01pm
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  Quote Ghostsight Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 04 Nov 2011 at 7:01pm
See if this fits your needs 
 

Specifications:
Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Cooler Master 942 HAF X
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 2600K 3.40GHz (Unlocked CPU for Extreme Overclocking) (Quad Core)
Motherboard: ASUS P8Z68-V PRO (Intel Z68 Chipset) (Features Intel Quick Sync Technology) <b></b>
System Memory: 8GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 1050W Corsair Pro Silver 1050HX (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) <b></b>
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (500GB Western Digital Caviar (7200 RPM) (16MB Cache) (Model: Blue Edition)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 1GB (Includes PhysX Technology) (EVGA Edition) <b></b>
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 2: Corsair A70 Dual 120mm Fans High Performance Cooler <b></b>
H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: - No Thanks
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
LaserMark: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: FREE: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-Bit Edition)
Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows 7 CD)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Install/Test Game: - No Thanks
Display: !PROMO BUNDLE: Acer 22 inch LCD + Logitech (Keyboard + Mouse) + Logitech Speakers <b></b>
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Customer Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty
 
Started with Lvl 3 renegade
Increased your power supply to give you more options in the future.
It will provide future possiblitly of sli if you choose and you get a good case for air cooling.  Took out the water cooling for air ,  less chances of anything going wrong with air cooling unless you know how to work with liquid cooling.  Price now is 2048 but with black november take 100 off of that.  Dont forget shipping cost ontop of purchase. Others may have a better suggestion but this gives you price you want plus sli options in future.
 
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 04 Nov 2011 at 8:24pm
We can't help you till we know what you need.

1. you building this pc for wow or newer games like bf3?

2. What is the native resolution of the monitor you gonna be gaming at?
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  Quote EricaW Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 04 Nov 2011 at 10:53pm
Not sure what bf3 is, so I'm not sure if it's something I'd want to play.  Right now I've just been playing WoW plus occasional games that have been out for a while like Dragon age origins and Dawn of Discovery, Galactic Civilization and Settlers 7 (settlers 7 ran ok on my current computer even though its supposed to need a dual core).  These are examples of the types of games I like (RPGs and strategy games).  I'm getting to the point with my old computer (it's 4-5 years old) that the new games of these types require dual core processors at the very least.

The monitor I'm going to be gaming at is the one I included in the build (the acer package).

I don't really have any more information than what I've given you.

Thanks
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 05 Nov 2011 at 3:16am
bf3 = battle field 3

that monitor we need to know its res.


for rpg games and mmo you don't really need sli, so I would say ode 1 is a good choice.

but if you want sli ability Ticket Number: 613117
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  Quote EricaW Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 05 Nov 2011 at 4:08pm
It's probably safe to say that we won't be playing a lot of bf3 on it.  I've enjoyed RT strategy games like AoE and so forth in the past along with simulation games like Caesar 4, so sequels to those types of games would be of interest when/if they come out.  Other uses will include surfing the web, word processing, syncing with my ipod, viewing photos etc.

This is the monitor I planned on buying, since I'll need a keyboard and mouse as well and am on a budget. !PROMO BUNDLE: Acer 22 inch LCD + Logitech (Keyboard + Mouse) + Logitech Speakers [+$198] 

The resolution is not mentioned in the product description that I can see. From looking up inexpensive 22 inch acer monitors on other web sites, I'd guess it's in the neighborhood of 1920 x 1080?

I was also wondering about the differences between the different product lines that have the same MB/processor and other components and seem to differ only in case design?  The way the case looks isn't too important to me, but if it makes a difference in cooling or upgrade-ability later, it would be good to know.

I need to make this choice today, as my husband's computer just died and we need to replace it ASAP.
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  Quote EricaW Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 05 Nov 2011 at 7:24pm
Looking at this build since the monitor package adds to the total costs:  It would save some money to go with the crusader or renegade line but that the dreadnought case is better for cooling.  It's pushing the upper end of our budget with the delivery costs.  It looks like this MB is also SLi compatible but is a step down from the other recommendation.

Ticket Number: 613310
Total Price with Instant Savings: $2,094.00

Direct Load URL: http://www.digitalstormonline.com/comploadsaved.asp?id=613310

Specifications:
Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Cooler Master 942 HAF X
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 2600K 3.40GHz (Unlocked CPU for Extreme Overclocking) (Quad Core) <b></b>
Motherboard: ASUS P8P67 Deluxe (Intel P67 Chipset) (New & Improved B3 Revision Without SATA 3G Issue) <b></b>
System Memory: 8GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 1000W Digital Storm Certified (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition Highly Recommended)  <b></b>
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (500GB Western Digital Caviar (7200 RPM) (16MB Cache) (Model: Blue Edition)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 1GB (Includes PhysX Technology) (EVGA Edition)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 2: Digital Storm Vortex Liquid CPU Cooler (High-Performance Edition)
H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: - No Thanks
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
LaserMark: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: FREE: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional (64-Bit Edition) <b></b>
Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows 7 CD)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Install/Test Game: - No Thanks
Display: !PROMO BUNDLE: Acer 22 inch LCD + Logitech (Keyboard + Mouse) + Logitech Speakers <b></b>
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Customer Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 05 Nov 2011 at 8:08pm
Those parts are not good, the psu, cpu cooler needs to change, for that res you gonna want a 570 gtx:

Here you go Ticket# 613401 --- $2,209 (To see this build click here)

Copy of Specifications:
Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Cooler Master HAF 932
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 2600K 3.40GHz (Unlocked CPU for Extreme Overclocking) (Quad Core)
Motherboard: ASUS P8Z68-V PRO (Intel Z68 Chipset) (Features Intel Quick Sync Technology)
System Memory: 8GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 1050W Corsair Pro Silver 1050HX (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible)
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (500GB Western Digital Caviar (7200 RPM) (16MB Cache) (Model: Blue Edition)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 1.2GB (Includes PhysX Technology) (EVGA Edition)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 2: Corsair A70 Dual 120mm Fans High Performance Cooler
H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: - No Thanks
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
LaserMark: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Stage 1: Overclock CPU 4.0GHz to 4.4GHz
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-Bit Edition)
Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows 7 CD)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Install/Test Game: - No Thanks
Display: !PROMO BUNDLE: Acer 22 inch LCD + Logitech (Keyboard + Mouse) + Logitech Speakers
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Customer Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty

here is the thing tho if you don't need/want sli ability the price can drop, there is a big price jump going from 560 to 570.

Now if you guys don't get the gpu here and just order it from newegg instead, teh price will be $2153

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  Quote EricaW Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 05 Nov 2011 at 9:07pm
Thanks for the feedback.  Big%20Smile So the 560 GTX video card would work for the monitor's resolution then?

If so, I may go with that for now. I agree that with out current gaming interests, SLI is probably overkill, but I know that things can change quickly and today's high end requirements could become 'average' in a couple of years (when I bought my current computer, people said dual core was only necessary if you were into high end shooters, but now nearly every new game coming out recommends or requires dual core or higher). I hope to have this machine for a while...   If we want/need to go to SLI at some point in the future, we can upgrade the video card then couldn't we?
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 05 Nov 2011 at 9:13pm
Ok if that is what you want, then go with my build but change gpu to 560, then in the future you can go sli future cards.
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