New PC, advice please

Just think about the people who live in a small apartment and get a 70 inch tv just to watch football.

Thanks DST4ME! That is quite a bit out of budget though! Should I stick with the older chipset and two 580s?

Originally posted by Sanguineraven Thanks DST4ME! That is quite a bit out of budget though! Should I stick with the older chipset and two 580s?

No for your res you need lot of power, tri sli 570 2.5GB is pretty much tri sli 580.

if you want to sepend less you can go with dual sli 570 2.5GB, but as mentioned for your res you gonna want more power.

either way with your res even if you go dual sli, I we would recommend that you still have tri sli ability, cause you may need it.

its up to you, if you want dual sli only and on the p67 let me know I will whip it up for you.

Edited by DST4ME - 01 Jan 2012 at 4:56pm

I'm a little confused now, what res are we configuring for?

I would not recommend the changes you made, some are less relibable/performing parts and some won't work, the a70 for example is not the right fit for x79.

the lef fans are pointless, they are smaller, louder and don't replace all your fans.

gpu boost brings you no noticeable gains but will give you more heat, drop it, if its not in my config, you don't need/want it.

if you want to go with a x79 tri sli, then you want my build, my build has the bare minimum while keeping quality/reliability/performance, any changes you make to it, you are taking away from those.

if you want a haf x with red fans then you should order these and swp them out with your non led 200mm fans:

200mm red led fan


now as I said before, what res we config for? cause you make a comment about a build for 1920x1080.

for that res

Here you go Ticket# 638666 --- $2,819 (To see this build click here)

Copy of Specifications:
Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Cooler Master 942 HAF X
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 2600K 3.40GHz (Unlocked CPU for Extreme Overclocking) (Quad Core)
Motherboard: ASUS P8P67 Deluxe (Intel P67 Chipset) (New & Improved B3 Revision Without SATA 3G Issue)
System Memory: 8GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 1050W Corsair Pro Silver 1050HX (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible)
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (120GB Solid State (By: Intel) (Model: 320 Series)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 1x (1TB Western Digital Caviar (7200 RPM) (64MB Cache) (Model: Black Edition)
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 2x SLI Dual (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 1.2GB (Includes PhysX Technology)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 2: Corsair A70 Dual 120mm Fans High Performance Cooler
H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: - No Thanks
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
LaserMark: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Stage 2: Overclock CPU 4.5GHz to 4.8GHz (Requires Pro or Deluxe Series Motherboard)
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-Bit Edition)
Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows 7 CD)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Game: - No Thanks
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Customer Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty

Ask DS specifically for this fan to be added to the top, so you endup with 4 x 200mm fans:

haf 200mm non led fan

Ask for vcore lower then 1.4 for your oc.

Edited by DST4ME - 01 Jan 2012 at 7:44pm

My pleasure

We don't recommend ssd for load times, we recommend ssd so that you have a balanced system in power, and the least bottlenecks, hitches, much much much faster read write at 4k level, etc.

ssd does lot more then just help load times.

if you want to get just get the ssd now and then add a 1TB BC later when prices of hdd come down thats fine but don't skimp out on the ssd.

the 1TB BC is recommended for its speeds, the seagate does not share them.

I'm just a customer like you but very knowledgable in the area, I can build you any pc you like, since I don't work for DS there is no conflict of interest from my recommendations, I recommend what is best for you and not what makes DS the most money.

the hybrid drive is a bad idea, it can't do what ssd can.

somebody gave you bad info, cause even tho you have ram and etc it has nothing to do with your os drives's performance.

as mentioned most of our uses is in 4k level, at this level you can raid 10 hdds, veloci raptors, hybrid drives and you still can't match speed of a good ssd like 320 on that level. without it you will have bottlenecks where the os drive will slow you down in your process.

when using a pc, whether its gaming or not, keep a few things in mind:

1. you are never ever just doing one thing, you maybe doing one thing, pc is doing lot of stuff in the background.

2. even if you were doing one thing and only one thing, lets say gaming, and one game, you are still looking at hitching and etc while gaming.

In short if you look at my config, I try to give people most perfomrance their money can buy, so if I'm telling you that you need a ssd to balance teh system's power trust me you need it to do so, if hybrid or raid on hdd could do it and save you money then that is what I would have recommended but they can't so you don't see me recommend it.

also as I mentioned you don't have to go dual drive setup right of the bat, either just get the ssd and add teh 1TB bc later.

hdd setup is like this:

HDD1 = fast small drive: os/apps/games

HDD2 = regular large drive: media/personal/work file storage

reason for that is that you want the stuff that take advantage of speeds on the fast drive and stuff that does not goes on a drive that is for storage.

this helps with management, backups, scans and etc, and in case of drive failure you dont lose all data.

Ok well I'm gonna act like you didn't post a link to tom's, they have zero creditability, I would recommend you never look at what those idiots have to say.

the net is full of bs info that is why some of us are here.

what is the intensive, we have found a good builder that builds good pcs with quality parts, so we want to help customers get the right parts for their money, we like to see good builders stay and crappy builder to go away.

AT the end of the day I can only give you facts, the net is full of bs info, its your option what to go with.

in some games ssd will make a difference in fps, but that is not all that goes to gaming, if you want smooth gaming then you want a ssd, also in all other tasks ssd helps.

for example did the net or those idiots at toms' explain hitching to you?

fyi back in teh day I was a big member at tom's, I left cause I go tired of all the bs info teh fakesperts gave to people like yourself.

What I'm trying to say is this, if its day outside, you can find thousands of misinformed people tell you its night time and one person tell you its day, now is it night just because thousands of people think so? no, its still day no matter what anybody says, we provide you with the facts here, and facts are ssd will impact your pcs overall performance.

Edited by DST4ME - 02 Jan 2012 at 3:52pm

As the character runs through the world, you could clearly see the hitching of the character as new assets would stream in

that is lot of hitching, red is hdd and blue is ssd, keep in mind each game is different and will have more/less.

also the hybrid is around $150 the 320 is $199, why would one want to go with inferior hybrid for $40.

teh x25 is the old gen of the new 320, for your money the 320 gives you more room and better performance.

also with 80GB most of the people here have run out of room with os/apps/games, just fyi.

Are you trying to bring price down on the p67 or x79?

Edited by DST4ME - 02 Jan 2012 at 4:11pm

I only recommend good drives with good speeds for their price, so unless I'm trying to save you cash so that you can get the actual drive later, you won't see me recommend anything else.

but lets look.

ok my x79 is at $4200 ball park, what are you trying to get it down to? lets see what we can do, there is always us going wtih something really cheap and then you adding the actual good stuff later.

Ok let me clarify, forget my terminator, when I was younger I was on budget of very little money, I build with a fine knife, I keep performance but cut cost.

I'm not giving you best in the world, best in the world would cost atleast $1200 more.

the corsair 1200w is chosen for its relability, if you want to go with an inferior psu go ahead, just keep in mind DS gives you a 3 year labor and 1 year part warranty, so when that psu goes bad, get ready to swap and pay, the ax and hx lines from corsair have a long track record of reliability and perfomrance, and since you want tri sli ability you need a 1200w psu, and since you want reliability and a 7 year warranty, the 1200w corsair psu was recommended, to give you the best psu, cost would be higher and a different psu but it would be waste of your money.

the d14 was chosen for its reliability and performance, I can't tell you the last d14 that broke down, I can tell you I see these self contained units go bad all the time, a few times here and lots on other forums, the a70 does not work right with the x79, so to give you a cpu cooler that has the least chance of breaking down and good perfomrance, you werer recommended the d14, best cpu cooler would run you $500 more, but again its not needed and will be waste of your money.

there is no way anybody can give you a reliable x79 for $3500, and one thing I don't do is recommend parts just based on parts, IMHO a build is only as good as its reliability and your reliability is only as good as your weakest part.

go with dual sli 570, you can always add the third later, the same with 1tb bc:

Here you go Ticket# 639034 --- $3,626 (To see this build click here)

Copy of Specifications:
Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Cooler Master 942 HAF X
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 3930K 3.2GHz (Unlocked CPU for Extreme Overclocking) (Six-Core)
Motherboard: ASUS P9X79 DELUXE (Intel X79 Chipset) (Features USB 3.0 and SATA 6Gb/s)
System Memory: 8GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 1200W Corsair Pro Gold Series (CMPSU-1200AX) (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible)
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (120GB Solid State (By: Intel) (Model: 320 Series)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 2x SLI Dual (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 2.5GB (PhysX) (EVGA 025-P3-1579-BR)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 2: Noctua NH-D14 Extreme Performance (Does NOT fit on the regular EVGA X58 3X SLI)
H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Red)
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
LaserMark: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Stage 2: Overclock CPU 4.5GHz to 4.8GHz (Requires Pro or Deluxe Series Motherboard)
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-Bit Edition)
Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows 7 CD)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Game: - No Thanks
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Customer Care with 5 Year Limited Warranty

that price is before promo, if promo allows, add the 1TB bc back in and just add the third gpu later.

Edited by DST4ME - 02 Jan 2012 at 4:45pm

Oh thats a killer beast no doubt, but let me say a few things:

1. I removed the 1TB hdd and one gpu, and put win7 to premium form pro.

2. the third gpu makes the least amount of difference and its very easy to add.

adding both hdd2 and third gpu are very easy and I/we or DS can walk you thru it if you like.

you said it best:

You want an awesome three screen beast, you have to pay for it

Now you going to spend a lot of money, and this is something only a customer would probably tell you but there are new gpus coming out this month from ati, they are going to be more powerful, but will also cost more, just thought I mentioned it, as I didn't want you to get the system and then see new gpus. I'm not sure if these cards will have an effect on the prices of 570/580 (aka make them lower).

My pleasure

Edited by DST4ME - 02 Jan 2012 at 5:04pm

And I am no economist, but because of the incredible strength of brand loyalty (read fanboism) within the graphics card market, I would assume the price drops to be minimal within Nvidia cards, at least from the get-go

I meant for future games, obviously tri SLI evga 570s 2.5gb is a bit silly for 1920x1080 for say BF3

Don't forget to:

Ask DS specifically for this fan to be added to the top, so you endup with 4 x 200mm fans:

haf 200mm non led fan

Ask for vcore lower then 1.4 for your oc.

You mean the 200mm led fan I posted about? if yes perfect, remember you can change the other top fan and the side fan with one of those also, so that they are all led.

above 1.4 cpu death speeds up.

Edited by DST4ME - 03 Jan 2012 at 1:34am

Wait you mean you asked for the haf x blue version? like the one here