New rig - build helpPost Date: 2013-03-02 |
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blackcatfoe
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Topic: New rig - build helpPosted: 02 Mar 2013 at 12:05pm |
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Under 3.4k including tax and shipping Expectations: High FPS 50+ on high settings Game Usage: SWTor, Farcry 3, Skyrim (with mods including HD packs), WoW, Diablo 3, Starcraft 2, Total war series. Upcoming Titles: Elder Scrolls Online, Total War: Rome 2, upcoming Blizzard titles. General usage: playing bluray movies. using Office applications for work (word, excel, powerpoint) Special Need: Need WiFi in the build but it looks like getting a deluxe motherboard would be better then a separate wireless adapter. Monitors: I already own two Dell S2340M Ultra IPS 23 inch monitors I run as a duel monitor setup. I game at 1900 x 1080 resolution. Specification questions: 1. My current rig has 128GB SSD with 1TB HDD. The 128GB filled up quickly with OS/Apps/Games. Would getting a larger SSD on disk 1 be better then let's say 128GB OS/Apps, 240GB+ disk 2 for games, 1TB disk 3 for storage? If I separate the games to another SSD I can settle with 240GB+ SDD but if all combined on disk 1 I would need over 350GB+ for games and the office apps I run. 2. Windows 7 or Windows 8? I hear pro and cons concerning Windows 8. Would there be any need to get Windows 8 in terms of performance? Not referring to gaming but general performance. customer config are welcome.Build away. |
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bprat22
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Posted: 02 Mar 2013 at 12:28pm |
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Hi blackcatfoe.... Welcome to the forums or should I say welcome back.
Here's a build to get you there. It has the HafX case, the best for air cooled systems and the Deluxe mobo for your WiFi. Config # 795247 Cost $ 3130 Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Cooler Master 942 HAF X Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish Processor: Intel Core i7 3770K 3.50 GHz (Unlocked CPU) (Quad Core) Motherboard: ASUS P8Z77-V DELUXE (Intel Z77 Chipset) (Higher Overclocks and Unique Wi-Fi Features) System Memory: 16GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested) Power Supply: 1050W Corsair Pro Silver 1050HX (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) Expansion Bay: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (240GB Solid State (By: Corsair) (Model: Neutron GTX Series) (SATA 6Gbps) Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 1x (1TB Western Digital Caviar (7200 RPM) (Model: Black Edition) Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: Blu-Ray & DVD Writer/Reader (Burn + Play Blu-Ray & DVDs) (12x BD-R) Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: 2x SLI Dual (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670 4GB (Includes PhysX) Add-on Card: - No Thanks Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 2: Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 Extreme Performance H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Red) Enhancements: - No Thanks Chassis Mods: - No Thanks Noise Reduction: - No Thanks LaserMark: - No Thanks Boost Processor: Stage 2: Overclock CPU 4.5GHz to 4.8GHz (Requires Pro/Deluxe/Sabertooth Motherboard) Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows CD) Virus Protection: - No Thanks Office: - No Thanks Game: - No Thanks Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks External Storage: - No Thanks Exclusive T-Shirt: FREE: Digital Storm T-Shirt - Black (Large) Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 10-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed Warranty: Life-time Expert Customer Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty Also, the sli, 2x gtx 670 will play great. If you game on only a single monitor then you could max out most games and stay smooth in fps. If you game on both, then High settings will play nice. I don't normally put in the 4GB vram versions unless 3D surround gaming, but some have seen Skyrim with heavy texture mods need a bit more than the 2GB vram. The Nocua D14 cpu cooler is the best, is very reliable and quiet. Don't need 16gb ram for games but its cheap so I put it in. As far a storage, usually your OS, most used apps and games go on SSD and use the cheaper HDD storage for downloads, pics, music and older games. You could also use your older drives in this. Plenty of space to mount them. Win7 vs Win 8......I like Win 7, and Win 8 seems to be a love or hate relationship. I haven't used Win 8 so can't say for sure. Hope this helps and good luck. Edited by bprat22 - 02 Mar 2013 at 12:29pm |
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DST4ME
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Posted: 02 Mar 2013 at 12:56pm |
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To add t bp22:
I like win 7 also and have not tested win 8 but I can tell you every-time a new os comes out, there is always lot of stuff floating around, but who knows how much of that stuff is real and happens to everybody. I also like to point out while 16GB of ram is cheap, it makes trouble shooting ram a bit more difficult so think about both sides and then decide, I believe in getting what you need to keep it simple, less stuff = less things that can go wrong, but on the other-side its so cheap for 16GB lol, tough to say no, and I'm not saying don't get it, I'm just saying know what you are getting into. I love the build bp has for you, you got some quality stuff there, very nice solid beast. fyi for ssd, if your ssd with os is getting filled up, just add a second ssd as hdd3, and simply install games on that. |
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blackcatfoe
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Posted: 02 Mar 2013 at 2:25pm |
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Thanks for the quick feedback.
Question. 1. Would 670 4GB SLI be necessary for the games I play on one monitor right away? While I do have HD texture packs for Skyrim this is only three specific mods I use. Im trying to understand the benefit for the cost difference of a 2GB board to a 4GB board. I'm thinking budget wise I can have one board and place the other board later if I go SLI. Also if going a single card for now would just getting a 680 be worth it? 2. I only game on one monitor while the second monitor is either on a website or playing a movie. (multi task FTW) to get high FPS in titles would SLI be needed? 3. I am not seeing a need for 16GB of RAM for my use but while cheap I hear higher the ram the harder to achieve good OC's. True or myth? 4. The SSD in the built will not cut it space wise. I will have company apps installed on this rig running with a VPN. The apps will take about 60GB. Add other apps and OS and its done as far as placing any game. I like DS input on adding a second SSD for just the games. I am leaning that approach. |
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DST4ME
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Posted: 02 Mar 2013 at 2:39pm |
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1. for 1900 x 1200 res 4GB gpu is completely pointless.
board do you mean gpu? borad = motherboard, graphic card = gpu. if you want to go with one 670 now and then add a second later yourself, then more power to you, make sure you look at the cost and etc, if it turns out to cost the same either way, then its better to let DS to it, but if budget does not allow then the best thing about a customized pc is that you can upgrade it yourself with whatever you want. again at your res 670 and 680 performance about the same mabye 2 to 6 fps difference where it counts. 2. sli only helps in games that utilize sli correctly, while all games support sli, not all utilize it correctly, lot of games need only one card to give you smooth gaming (60fps). With multi tasking, thats all dependent on your tasks, just remember what you take away from the system gpu-wise, you are also taking away from the game. Some games will do great with one gpu, some may need more power. 3. True, but in this case DS seems to be ocing them fine, I personally have not seen settings to confirm that tho, so in short while that comment is true, it does not mean its an issue here, when you load all the ram slots, it puts a little more stress on mobo and makes a little harder to oc, How much? thats different from build to build. 4. you can add any hdd/ssd to your system and use it however you like, I normally have 4 internal drives and upto 8 external drives, some are for backups and lot of them are storage. I have an icydock 4 hot swap bay externals, very easy to use and usb. In short you can put OS on one ssd and apps/games on another ssd or os/games on ssd and company apps on hdd or second ssd, just about any configuration goes there, you decide how big and how many ssds you want to get. I would do this: hdd1 = ssd = os/games hdd2 = ssd = work apps hdd3 = hdd = file storage (1TB BC) this way you can clone them(backup) to external drives so you never really lose any info if they go bad. Edited by DST4ME - 02 Mar 2013 at 2:39pm |
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storm0545
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Posted: 02 Mar 2013 at 2:43pm |
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@ DST4ME The 4gb of vram can easily get used in skyrim. With about 5 graphics enhancing mods at their highest settings my friend hits 4gb use on his single gtx 680 classified at a single 27" 1920x1080 monitor.
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DST4ME
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Posted: 02 Mar 2013 at 2:45pm |
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Correct I meant to mention that for skyrim he will have use for it and maybe couple of other games but forgot, thank you.
I need to slow down, in such hurry to read thru and answer all the questions, forgot an important part. But to my defense I always catch it next time I come back to the thread to replay.
@blackcatfoe, as mentioned by storm, for skyrim you will have use for the 4GB cards so go sli 670 4GB. Edited by DST4ME - 02 Mar 2013 at 2:46pm |
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storm0545
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Posted: 02 Mar 2013 at 2:54pm |
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I'd recommend it as the 670 4gb sli. The cost isn't much and the benefit while not often used is worth it when playing resource hogs like skyrim. Also @blackcatfoe if you want to see what I was talking about go on the skyrim nexus and download (a quality world map, skyrim HD 2k textures, water, enhanced blood textures, skyrim floral overhaul, project reality climates, Static mesh improvement, enhanced skyrim night, and realistic water and terrain) with those you will easily hit 4gb and put those 670's to good use but your game will look as if you could touch the screen and feel the ground.
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bprat22
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Posted: 02 Mar 2013 at 3:10pm |
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For your single monitor a single 670 will give you high to max gaming with most games. There are a few games like Metro and Crysis Warhead that will need to be adjusted to high at best settings.
4gb vram on the video cards is useless for most as was said but Skyrim only with heavy texture mods is the exception for now. 8GB system ram is all gaming needs. 16 gig isn't an issue just not needed unless you have apps that need it. |
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