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    Posted: 28 Oct 2009 at 10:35am
Hi all,  New here but building a system.
 
1.  DS told me that to get liquid cooling for a CPU and Dual GPUs there was a three month wait.  What Air coolong do I need to keep things cool?  Not willing to wait 3 months.
 
2. Is the Samsung 24" monitor a good monitor and HDCP compliant?  I see many of you don't include a monitor with your orders -- is there a better selection in the 23/24 inch range?  Want the best I can get.  By the way, don't want or need TV reciever just want to play some DVD and Blue Ray movies.
 
Here's my current configuration.  Thanks for your input!
 
Ticket# 347523

Chassis Model: Digital Storm HailStorm
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 960 3.2GHz (Quad Core)
Motherboard: EVGA X58 Classified 3X SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports Triple SLI or CrossFire)
System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified by mushkin enhanced (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 1000W Corsair HX (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition)
Card Reader: Internal Digital Media Card Reader (Black)
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (256GB Solid State (By: Corsair) (Model: CMFSSD-256GBG2D)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 1x (1TB Seagate/Western Digital (7200 RPM) (32MB Cache) (SATA) (Extreme Speed)
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x) (LightScribe Edition)
Optical Drive 2: Blu-Ray Player/DVD Writer (Play Blu-Ray and Burn DVDs)
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 2x CrossFire Dual (ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Razer Barracuda AC-1 (Recommended)
Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 2: Noctua NH-U12P High Performance Cooler (Compatible With ONLY i5/i7 Processors)
Liquid Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a H20: Stage 3 Cooling System Selected
Chassis Airflow: Upgrade Chassis With LED Performance Fans (Red) (Up to 6 Fans)
Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Red)
Enhancements: Touch 2000 Aerocool Temperature Display & Fan Controller (Requires Chassis Airflow Upgrade)
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my processor
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate (64-Bit Edition)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Virus Protection: McAfee Internet Security (Includes: AntiVirus, FireWall and AntiSpyware)
Office: Microsoft Office 2007 Business (Word Excel Outlook Publisher PowerPoint Accounting)
Benchmarking: - No Thanks
Install/Test Game: - No Thanks
LCD Display: Samsung 24 inch (Widescreen) (Black) (High-Performance Gaming Display)
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: Razer Tarantula Gaming Keyboard
Mouse: Razer Lachesis Gaming Mouse (High-Speed Gaming Grade)
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-10 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty

 
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Oct 2009 at 11:41am
did they tell you why it would take that long?

you got stuff you don't need in there:

Here you go Ticket# 347553 --- Price: $4745 (To see this build click here) Price after current promotion $4395

Copy of Specifications:
Chassis Model: Digital Storm HailStorm
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (Quad Core)
Motherboard: EVGA X58 3X SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports Triple SLI or CrossFire)
System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified by mushkin enhanced (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 1000W Corsair HX (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition)
Card Reader: Internal Digital Media Card Reader (Black)
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (256GB Solid State (By: Corsair) (Model: CMFSSD-256GBG2D)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 1x (1TB Seagate/Western Digital (7200 RPM) (32MB Cache) (SATA) (Extreme Speed)
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x) (LightScribe Edition)
Optical Drive 2: Blu-Ray Player/DVD Writer (Play Blu-Ray and Burn DVDs)
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 1x ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Razer Barracuda AC-1 (Recommended)
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 3: High-Performance Liquid Chilled FrostBite System For CPU
Liquid Color:UV Redish Pink: Medium Glowing Non-conductive Fluid (Requires H20: Stage 3 & UV Lighting)
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (UV) (Creates Glowing Effect For H20: Stage 3 UV Fluid)
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Stage 1: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz (Requires Air Cooling Upgrade)
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: Memory Fan Kit Only (Does not include memory overclocking service)
Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-Bit Edition)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Benchmarking: - No Thanks
Install/Test Game: - No Thanks
LCD Display: Samsung 24 inch (Widescreen) (Black) (High-Performance Gaming Display)
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: Razer Tarantula Gaming Keyboard
Mouse: Razer Lachesis Gaming Mouse (High-Speed Gaming Grade)
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-10 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty
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  Quote amoe Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Oct 2009 at 12:27pm
DST4ME,
 
Thanks for the response!  This is what I got yesterday:
 
Hey,
Your system looks great power supply and all except for the water cooling on the video cards that we dont have and ETA is about 3 months.
Best Regards,
James
Now, of course I have some more questions.
 
1.  If the i7 920 was meant to run at 3.3 GHz+ why didn't Intel set it there to start with?  I guess I'm pretty conservative and don't even change my car tires from OEM specs.
2.  Why not two 5870s in crossfire?
2a.Is the 5870 that much cooler that it doesn't need cooling?
3.  I know I don't need Windows 7 Ultimate but was really thing about Professional.  Does Home Premium have the XP feature?
4.  Why don't I want Virus protection?  I thought it was pretty much mandatory these days.
5.  Why don't I want MS Office?  I don't think those apps are built into W7 -- are they?
6.  I presume everyone's silence on the Samsung LCD monitor means that it's as good as they come?
 
Thank you for your tireless patience as I know you've probably answered these questions a million times.
 
Arne
 
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Oct 2009 at 1:02pm
1. Intel clocks their chips to whatever moderate standards they have,m it has nothing to do with how well the chip can do, a 920 oced to 3.8GHz will last you over 7 years, are you gonna even have this pc in 7 years?

2. at your res you have no need for crossfire with a 5870, you will get 50 to 60 fps with most games which means smooth gaming, adding another card will not bring any noticable differences, unless you play games like crysis and such.

2a. all gpus have fans on them, you never need LC, unless for some reason you are dealing with lot of heat that air can't handle.

3. no it does not, but most things should work in win7, and if needed, you can always just run a virtualization app like VMware to run apps in another os, and there is always just having xp and those apps in a separate drive, and just swaping drives, the hailstorm comes with 4 hotswap bays and is perfect for this kind of things.

4. you do want virus protection and a firwall but you don't want a bloated one, you want one of the best, thats why you want ESET Smart Security, it has a 30 day full free trial, try it first then buy a license after 30 days, its way better then mcafee.

5. get all those little things like ms office and your monitor and mouse and etc from a place like newegg so that you save money, they cost more here.

6. that is a good monitor, but I'm not a monitor expert, people that are good with monitors tho say that a sign of a good panel on a monitor is a monitor that has the same Viewing Angle, both vertical and horizontal, and above 170°.

hope that helped, if you have more questions ask away.

so they waterblocks for the gpus will take 3 month to come out? ouch, didn't know that.

wait koolance has a block for them here, why don't you ask them to use this block.
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  Quote amoe Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Oct 2009 at 1:17pm
DST4ME,
 
Thank you!!!!!  That clears up a lot. 
 
Don't know if I'll have this new computer in 7 years or not, the one I'm on now is a 2002 Alienware,  been holding out for W7 to come out Ouch
 
Guess I won't ask for GPU water cooling just CPU.
 
Been a while since I set up a new computer and had forgotten about newegg, Darn, more internet shopping -- oh well.
 
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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Oct 2009 at 1:23pm
the EK blocks are out, and have been out for a while, the swiftech blocks are 2-3 weeks out for there top end ones, but the bottom end have been out before the cards were available. And who cares about koolance blocks. Smile
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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Oct 2009 at 1:30pm
Originally posted by amoe

 
Don't know if I'll have this new computer in 7 years or not, the one I'm on now is a 2002 Alienware,  been holding out for W7 to come out Ouch
 
 
if you get a mild overclock like 3.8Ghz, and keep it cool, under75C load temps, it should last 15+ years
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Oct 2009 at 1:53pm
Originally posted by justin.kerr

the EK blocks are out, and have been out for a while, the swiftech blocks are 2-3 weeks out for there top end ones, but the bottom end have been out before the cards were available. And who cares about koolance blocks. Smile


didn't know ek had theirs out, koolance is good too.

so with these blocks out, I wonder why they are telling people 3 month for gpu waterblock?

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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Oct 2009 at 2:24pm
here is one from 2 weeks a go, mounted up and ready to go
 the owner is from CO. so they are in the USA
 
 
And Koolance makes a waterblock, but I would rather pay $500.00 for a swiftech, than get a koolance for free. 
 
 
 
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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Oct 2009 at 2:27pm
and if you don't like nickel here is a copper one.
 
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Oct 2009 at 2:56pm
LOL very nice, so ya I'm just not understanding why ds is saying 3 month for waterblock.

btw have you heard anything about a waterblock for classified 4 way sli?

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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Oct 2009 at 3:04pm
standard spacing, so should be no issues with the water blocks?
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Oct 2009 at 3:59pm
ok I'm a bit lost you talking about the classified?
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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Oct 2009 at 4:06pm
the 762
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Oct 2009 at 4:08pm
realy? in pics it looks like its a bit different, if you are 100% sure that is great news, cause I can just use the waterblock from the current 3sli classified and drop it in the 4sli, so are you 100% sure?
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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Oct 2009 at 4:27pm
now you have the 762?
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Oct 2009 at 4:40pm
DS has a test board or something like that I think and they are suppose to be testing it, I like to see if 4 x 295 will fit on that one properly, cause on the current 760/58 the 4th one is touching the third one.

in short no I don't but I think DS does, also the 762 is for sale now on evga's site, so that made me think that builders have a few in stock.

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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Oct 2009 at 4:49pm
The 762 will do four with water, just like the other board I told you would before you started. Dead 
The 762 also has the nf200 correct? or 2 of them?  so you will have some increased latancy, but will be running at 16x? can't remember.
 
You will also need a case with 10 exppansion slots... remember. lol
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Oct 2009 at 4:56pm
for my use the 16x does not matter, but ya it has the nf200 and I think all 4 are 16x, or is 16x 16x 8x 8x, I don't know to be honest.

ya we figured the cards would fit on that one but then will the 4sli fit in the case with everything I want, the case has only 7 expansion slots, but the cards have single slot brackets, so I think we might need to cut an 8th slot for the last one or it might workout cause its the 1st, 3rd, 5th and the 7th slot that are going to be needed.

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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Oct 2009 at 4:58pm
but you need a 10 slot case  quote from Evga "Important note: a case with 9 or more expansion slots is required, 10 for 4-Way SLI. See this page for a list of compatible PC cases." 
time for a mountain mods case. too bad they don't have 10 slot on the horizontal board option... still a great case though 


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  Quote venom Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Oct 2009 at 5:51pm
Haven't got any 4-way boards in yet, still waiting on EVGA.

4 cards should work in the corsair case, though modifications may be needed.
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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Oct 2009 at 7:01pm
the corsair case 8 slot?  you can use 9 with mods, but 10 is needed without mods..
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Oct 2009 at 7:16pm
you know for some reason I'm having a hard time trying to imagine this in my head, if there are 7 slots, and we are using 1,3,5, and 7, then the 7 expansion slots should work, since as far as open expansion slots go, we are in need of single slots with the numbers stated above, now if it was on air I can undersand why 8 or more would be needed.



so what am I missing here, I can't figure it out

is it that the mobo is taller so its pci slots don't line up 1 to 7 with the corsair's slots?

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you are missing the top 2 slots taken up from above the one you are calling number 1. then the on you need bellow the one you label as 7  so 7 + 2 + 1 is 10

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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Oct 2009 at 8:02pm
what goes above the one I'm calling number one? or are you saying that is the way it will sit in the case? if all we need top make it work is one slot below the one I'm calling 7, then we can make it work from the looks of things.

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the slot you are calling 1 would be the 3rd slot down on a case.... rookie. lol so you need a 10 slot case without mods, or a 9 slot with a single mod on the botton GPU... plain and simple
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Oct 2009 at 10:50pm
that is what I was saying, the mobo's pci slot is sitting lower then the case's. so then that probably will not work either, not sure there is that much room for mods. might just have to go with 3 x 295.

Unless venom can work his magic and make it work

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no magic can make that work, without cutting more slots, and I don't know about room for you power supply. I have done it, but it is hard, an usually does not look perfect. Just go tri, or just wait for tri-fermi... lol
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If venom can't make it fit then tri it is
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We're switching our liquid cooling system to all high-end parts soon:

1. Compression fittings
2. Replace Koolance with EK video card blocks
3. Chipset liquid cooling
4. Standard 240mm radiators
5. Swiftech high-end CPU waterblock
 
And, we will carry the ATI waterblocks sooner than we thought. There was some production delays with EK on them.
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Yay for 240mm rads :D
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Originally posted by Alex

We're switching our liquid cooling system to all high-end parts soon:

1. Compression fittings
2. Replace Koolance with EK video card blocks
3. Chipset liquid cooling
4. Standard 240mm radiators
5. Swiftech high-end CPU waterblock
 
And, we will carry the ATI waterblocks sooner than we thought. There was some production delays with EK on them.
wow that is a huge upgrade.  the new swiftech waterblock is incredible.
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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Oct 2009 at 12:01pm

Compression Fittings (http://www.feser-one.com/site/product_info.php?cPath=78&products_id=314)

We were going to go with angle fittings, but, it was driving up the costs a lot
 
I also forgot to mention, the upgraded liquid cooling system will use a bay based reservoir which also incorporates the high-flow head upgrade for the pump as well.
 
In addition, we will begin using colored tubing with only clear fluid, this way, the color never deteriorates over time and there is no gunk build up over time from the dyes, etc...
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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 29 Oct 2009 at 12:21pm
Angled fitting are nice for some builds,  they are $$ but they can simplify some loops.
 
Have you tried primochill pro LRT tubing? I find it to be the best out there...
 
 
for a low cost alternative maybe want to look at PrimoChill Ghost Compression Fitting.
They come in colors, work very well, are a lot less money, and do look very well. But not the Bling level of the chrome ones.
 
For the the new Swiftech CPU block, since it has a very fine pin matrix, distilled water with a silver coil works very well, because of the lower viscosity. something to think about, because it also will make it easier to top off, flush systems down the road.
 
Which aftermarket pump htop are you going with XSPC? They have one with a built in RES and it  works very well, and can cut costs a bit, and not take up a bay slot..
 
 Just throwing out some of my limited wisdom. lol 
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