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    Posted: 17 Jun 2009 at 9:20pm

Hello to everyone!

I am a gamer and am looking to upgrade my AMD 4800x2 64 bit system.  I play a lot of online games and single person adventure type of games, which I would like to run with all the bells and whistles on 1920 x 1200 resolution.  Is there any real difference between the brand names of ram used by DS or is there a difference between 12 and 6 gb of ram in a system.  Anyways, thanks in advance for your opinions, and have a great day!


Ticket Number: 295743

Total Price with Instant Savings: $2,813.00

Budget:  2500.00 ish


Specifications:

Chassis Model: Antec Nine Hundred Two

Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish

Processor: Intel Core i7 950 3.06GHz (Quad Core)

Motherboard: EVGA X58 LE Edition SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports SLI or CrossFire) System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1600MHz Corsair Dominator DHX (High-Performance) Power Supply: 750W Corsair TX (Dual SLI Compatible) Card Reader: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (1TB Western Digital (7200 RPM) (16MB Cache) (SATA) (Extreme Speed) Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x) Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: 2x SLI Dual (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 275 896MB (Includes PhysX Technology) Add-on Card: - No Thanks Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 2: V8 Cooler Master High Performance Cooler (Compatible With ONLY i7 Processors) Liquid Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a H20: Stage 3 Cooling System Selected Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Blue)

Enhancements: - No Thanks

Chassis Mods: - No Thanks

Boost Processor: Stage 1: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz (Requires Air Cooling Upgrade) Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based) Virus Protection: - No Thanks

Office: - No Thanks

Benchmarking: - No Thanks

Install/Test Game: - No Thanks

LCD Display: - No Thanks

Surge Shield: - No Thanks

Speakers: - No Thanks

Keyboard: - No Thanks

Mouse: - No Thanks

External Storage: - No Thanks

Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks

Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-10 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed

Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty

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  Quote satsunada Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 Jun 2009 at 9:45pm
First thoughts, drop from the 950 to the 920 and keep the overclock, it'll still be at least 3.2-ish and it's cheaper on your budget. Go with 1333 instead of 1600 memory, you won't notice the difference. I'm not sure the V8 fits in that case, DS would know but go with the HAF-932 for cooling and more space. I'd also recommend the Noctua over the V8 for size and silence. Well.. here..
 
Chassis Model: Cooler Master HAF 932
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (Quad Core)
Motherboard: EVGA X58 3X SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports Triple SLI or CrossFire)
System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1333MHz Digital Storm Certified by mushkin enhanced (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 750W Corsair TX (Dual SLI Compatible)
Card Reader: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (500GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 275 896MB (Includes PhysX Technology)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 2: Noctua NH-U12P High Performance Cooler (Compatible With ONLY i7 Processors)
Liquid Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a H20: Stage 3 Cooling System Selected
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Blue)
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Stage 1: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz (Requires Air Cooling Upgrade)
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: Memory Fan Kit Only (Does not include memory overclocking service)
Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64-Bit Edition)

 
Price: $2185 ( $1985 with current promo)
 
Water cooling with higher OC would be $2265 with current promo. Prolly a better bet. Also, you have more room on the MB here to upgrade as far as rails go and SLI capability in case you want to do that instead of water cool. Though one 275 is really all you'll need at that resolution. Oh.. and you likely won't notice the difference in 6 and 12 gb of ram for another few years.
 
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 Jun 2009 at 9:50pm
Here you go Ticket# 295777 --- Price: $2610 (To see this build click here) Price after current promotion $2360

Copy of Specifications:
Chassis Model: Cooler Master HAF 932
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (Quad Core)
Motherboard: EVGA X58 3X SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports Triple SLI or CrossFire)
System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1333MHz Digital Storm Certified by mushkin enhanced (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 1000W Corsair HX (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition)
Card Reader: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (500GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 2x SLI Dual (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 275 896MB (Includes PhysX Technology)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 2: Noctua NH-U12P High Performance Cooler (Compatible With ONLY i7 Processors)
Liquid Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a H20: Stage 3 Cooling System Selected
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Red)
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Stage 1: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz (Requires Air Cooling Upgrade)
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: Memory Fan Kit Only (Does not include memory overclocking service)
Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64-Bit Edition)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Benchmarking: - No Thanks
Install/Test Game: - No Thanks
LCD Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-10 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty

to get 60 fps on high settings in your resolution you will need 2 x 275, gave you the 1000w psu so that you can tri sli 275 if you should need to down the road.

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  Quote Mouseguard Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 Jun 2009 at 10:31pm
Would it be better to put 2 hard drives, one for OS and game dejour and another for data (music, photos, etc)  or just go with the 500 gb hd.  Once again, thanks for the advice.

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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 Jun 2009 at 10:56pm
My pleasure

its best to go with a 120GB OCZ SSD or a Veloci for HDD1 for OS/games/apps and a 500GB for HDD2 for file storage.

now since the SSD prices are a big high right now, I figured you go with the 500GB as HDD1 now, then H1 of 2010 you upgrade to a SSD for HDD1 and push the current 500GB to HDD2, this way you pay less for the SSD.

all you do when you get the SSD is clone the current 500GB to the SSD and you are good to go.

you can follow my clone guide here

Edited by DST4ME - 17 Jun 2009 at 10:57pm
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  Quote Mouseguard Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 Jun 2009 at 11:09pm
So what would be the difference between the lower end OC and the higher OC?  Is it worth the price difference, as in, would you be able to notice.  How much of a hassle is the maintenance on the WC system.  I am assuming it's more than screwing a hose into the back of the machine, as in messy floor, etc, etc
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 Jun 2009 at 11:18pm
there is no hassle, you just look at the reservoir once a month and if the fluid level is low you add some fluid, which consist of taking the reservoir off the Velcro and un screwing the cap, total of 2 minutes max.

as for oc difference in games and your resolution you won't notice much of a difference.
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  Quote Mouseguard Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 Jun 2009 at 11:24pm
Once again, I thank you DST...  Huge difference between AMD and Intel, well besides the price?

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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 Jun 2009 at 11:28pm
My pleasure boss

on this site you will get a better price with Intel now and Intel has better performance and with Intel you can go crossfire or sli, with AMD you are confined to crossfire and ATI and Nvidia cards will out perform ATI cards. for example the 275 GTX and 4890 are both the same price but the 275 will beat the 4890.
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  Quote Mouseguard Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 Jun 2009 at 11:43pm
One last question, then off to sleep to prepare for work.  What is the difference between the LC and AC, besides the 6 dollars.  The Coolit or Noctua?  If I were to choose the LC, I could OC more on the processor?  You rock DST Ermm

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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Jun 2009 at 12:05am
if you gonna LC then you got to go with frostbite, otherwise its not worth it, so either go Noctua NH-U12P or go frostbite, the v8 is good to but Noctua is best for air.

with frostbite you get better load temps which can lead to higher OC, but better load temps are always what you want

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  Quote inferno23 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Jun 2009 at 10:22am
DST where the hell do you get all these smileys from dood. one wood think you custom mak'em yourself or somethin
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  Quote Sarah Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 19 Jun 2009 at 1:18pm
Mousegard, when you are ready to make this happen, give me a call, I will take care of you and we will get the ball rolling on this awesome computer.
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I will let you know asap on the system Sarah. I will email or phone it it when I order.
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don't forget to post pics and specs when you get it
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  Quote Mouseguard Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Jul 2009 at 12:21pm
Hello Guys...

I am going to take the plunge today, after reading many reviews of SSD hard drives, I want to get my system with one in it.  For the best bang for my buck spent, which SSD would you guys recommend in my configuration, and a good back up drive for data storage and such?  Thanks in advance for the input, looking forward to ordering my rig today.

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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Jul 2009 at 12:48pm
go with vertex for HDD1 and for HDD2 go with the 500GB 7200rpm
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  Quote Mouseguard Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Jul 2009 at 1:04pm
What is the difference between the Vertex, Solid in the OCZ and the Corsair driver?

Thanks again for the input
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the wear and tear of the vertex is better.
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  Quote Mouseguard Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Jul 2009 at 1:33pm
Here's how the rig is shaping up to look like...

Copy of Specifications:
Chassis Model: Cooler Master HAF 932
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (Quad Core)
Motherboard: EVGA X58 LE Edition SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports SLI or CrossFire)
System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1333MHz Digital Storm Certified by mushkin enhanced (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 1000W Corsair HX (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition)
Card Reader: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (120GB Solid State (By: OCZ) Vertex Series (Model: OCZSSD2-1VTX120G)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 1x (500GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 2x SLI Dual (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 275 896MB (Includes PhysX Technology)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 2: Noctua NH-U12P High Performance Cooler (Compatible With ONLY i7 Processors)
Liquid Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a H20: Stage 3 Cooling System Selected
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Blue)
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Stage 1: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz (Requires Air Cooling Upgrade)
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: Memory Fan Kit Only (Does not include memory overclocking service)
Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) With Windows 7 Upgrade Coupon
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Benchmarking: - No Thanks
Install/Test Game: - No Thanks
LCD Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-10 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty


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  Quote Mikey14 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Jul 2009 at 1:45pm
Why the LE motherboard?  The EVGA 3x SLI is a better board for a little bit more money.  
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looks good, I would agree with the regular x58 board
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  Quote Mouseguard Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Jul 2009 at 2:17pm
Amended with change of MB...just an oversight on my end.

Copy of Specifications:
Chassis Model: Cooler Master HAF 932
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (Quad Core)
Motherboard: EVGA X58 3X SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports Triple SLI or CrossFire)
System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1333MHz Digital Storm Certified by mushkin enhanced (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 1000W Corsair HX (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition)
Card Reader: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (120GB Solid State (By: OCZ) Vertex Series (Model: OCZSSD2-1VTX120G)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 1x (500GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 2x SLI Dual (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 275 896MB (Includes PhysX Technology)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 2: Noctua NH-U12P High Performance Cooler (Compatible With ONLY i7 Processors)
Liquid Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a H20: Stage 3 Cooling System Selected
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Blue)
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Stage 1: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz (Requires Air Cooling Upgrade)
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: Memory Fan Kit Only (Does not include memory overclocking service)
Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) With Windows 7 Upgrade Coupon
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Benchmarking: - No Thanks
Install/Test Game: - No Thanks
LCD Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-10 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty

No too much fluff, except the SSD, but it's what I want.  Will wait for the better half to sign off and then place the order.  Am I missing anything here, let's hope not.  Thanks again for your opinions guys =)


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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Jul 2009 at 2:36pm
that is a beast so you keeping the case light blue? the frond fan is red, just fyi.

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  Quote Mouseguard Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Jul 2009 at 3:20pm
I don't want to pay 300 bucks for a paint job =), rather put it toward the SSD Drive =)  What is the difference between the OCZ Vertex drive and the Corsair Drive, besides 8 gb and 100 dollars?


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  Quote Mikey14 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Jul 2009 at 3:52pm
I think DST meant the case light as in LED's You can change the front fan for under $20to match.
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lol I was refering to Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Blue), and I was just saying since the front fan is red you might want to pick the internal lighting to be red also. it does not cost anything to do so.


if you read back my previous posts you will see I said:

Originally posted by DST4ME

the wear and tear of the vertex is better.

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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Jul 2009 at 4:07pm

The solid ssd is not a good choice, the vertex is good, and so is the corsair. For general usage they are both very close in performance.

If you are a heavy user, then get the Intel.
 
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in write ocz is much faster then corsair also.
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  Quote Mouseguard Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Jul 2009 at 4:28pm
Now I am ready to order...and poor Sarah's extension is not available Wink  Does it really matter who we talk to over there, or will one of their sales reps be just as good as Sarah, or is she the only representative they have?
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I like Sarah she is more on top of her game, leave her a message with your number and she will get back to you
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  Quote Mouseguard Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Jul 2009 at 5:03pm
I wanted to get this ordered today, since I wont be home during their business hours.  I sent Serah an email about 5 hours ago, I am beginning to think she might not be there today =)  Just could order it online and not worry about it Confused  Thanks for all the advice, trying to get the better half to sign off on the vertex ssd instead of the corsair, I know who will win the battle if I wait too long Big%20smile  Thanks again for all of the help I have received here =)
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Jul 2009 at 6:47pm
Well Monday is a busy day, I'm sure if you leave her a message on the phone she would get back to you sooner, but feel free to do whatever you need to, vertex or forget it.
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  Quote Mouseguard Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Jul 2009 at 7:09pm
Well, wanted to get it done before I went out for the evening with my better half, being it is our anniversary today.  So ordered on the phone.  Talked to Eric and Duke and they set me up and the ball is in motion.  As for the vertex, well I will let you know how the Corsair holds up, being, it was a no go point with the better half.  Will post pics and specs when I finally see my rig in 8 to 10 days.  Thanks once again for all the help, and look forward to keeping active on the site Ermm
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