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B5GkarNarn
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Topic: Newbie Needs Configuration HelpPosted: 09 Dec 2008 at 6:40pm |
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Hi! I'm a newbie to gaming PCs and would greatly appreciate your help because I'm feeling quite overwhelmed with the configuration options. I'm looking to spend no more than $3,000 on a gaming desktop PC and have many questions:
1) OS: I have the option of configuring my new PC to dual-boot MS Windows XP Pro and Vista Ultimate 64-bit edition for an extra $300. I have some old games that I would like to play that are not compatible with Vista and also my wife will be sharing this PC and would rather not have to deal with a new OS...so I'm thinking that I can put my old games & my wife's software under XP Pro (which is what we're both using now) and then put new games (like Halo 2, Crysis, etc.) under Vista Ultimate. What do you think about this idea?
2) Internal Hard Drives: I can configure either 1, 2, or 3 separate hard drives. The 1st one is for the OS, the 2nd one is for Multimedia and Data, and the 3rd one is for Backups & Miscellaneous items. a) What are the pros & cons of having 3 separate hard drives? b) Is it a good idea to have a RAID that is set up in a stripe 0 or mirror 1 configuration? 3) Does it make sense to spend the extra $ for a hard drive with a 10,000 RPM? 3) Power Supply Does it make sense to spend extra $ on this: 1,000 Watt power supply PC Power and Cooling (Turbo-Cool Edition) (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible)? 4) Processor: Will this one be powerful enough to play the latest games over the next 4 years: Intel Core 2 Duo E8600 3.33 GHz (1333 MHz Front Side Bus) (6MB Cache)? |
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Clinton
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Posted: 09 Dec 2008 at 6:58pm |
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http://www.digitalstormonline.com/comploadsaved.asp?id=215178
$2,989.00 Specifications: Chassis Model: Cooler Master HAF 932 Edited by Clinton - 09 Dec 2008 at 6:59pm |
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skyR
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Posted: 09 Dec 2008 at 7:00pm |
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1) Yes it's a good idea if you're still needing to use very old software.
2) Yes, it's always a good idea to have multiple drives. a) Having separate drives allow for more data security and up-time. If you have three drives (one with XP, one with VISTA, one for data/backup). If the XP drive fails, you can still use the VISTA one while you replace the other drive. If you ever need to reinstall the operating system due to corruption, you won't lose all your precise data. b) For general home use, no it's not a good idea. 3) If you use software that constantly needs access to the drive than yes. Or if time is precise to you and you don't want to wait an extra 5 seconds for something to load than yes. If you have top of the notch CPU and GPU than yes. Otherwise, no. 3) Well that depends on how long you plan on keeping your computer and how much you are going to be upgrading throughout the years. 4) That depends on the resolution and settings you desire to play at. On medium-high settings, probably not. On the lowest settings, probably. Try running Crysis on a Pentium 4 and you'll see what I mean. Core i7 ~$2733 http://digitalstormonline.com/comploadsaved.asp?id=215177 |
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B5GkarNarn
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Posted: 09 Dec 2008 at 8:26pm |
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[QUOTE=skyR]1) Yes it's a good idea if you're still needing to use very old software.
2) Yes, it's always a good idea to have multiple drives. a) Having separate drives allow for more data security and up-time. If you have three drives (one with XP, one with VISTA, one for data/backup). If the XP drive fails, you can still use the VISTA one while you replace the other drive. If you ever need to reinstall the operating system due to corruption, you won't lose all your precise data. b) For general home use, no it's not a good idea. 3) If you use software that constantly needs access to the drive than yes. Or if time is precise to you and you don't want to wait an extra 5 seconds for something to load than yes. If you have top of the notch CPU and GPU than yes. Otherwise, no. 3) Well that depends on how long you plan on keeping your computer and how much you are going to be upgrading throughout the years. 4) That depends on the resolution and settings you desire to play at. On medium-high settings, probably not. On the lowest settings, probably. Try running Crysis on a Pentium 4 and you'll see what I mean. Core i7 ~$2733 http://digitalstormonline.com/comploadsaved.asp?id=215177[/QUOTE] Hi skyR and thank you for answering my questions. I do have a few more:
3) I plan to keep the new gaming PC for at least 4-5 years.
a) Does that mean that I'd be better off spending the extra $ on the 1,000 Watt Power Supply?
4) I don't quite understand the relationship between resolution and settings but I'm guessing that I would not want to run a new game at anything less than medium settings because I enjoy very good graphics. Unfortunately, I cannot run Crysis on my current PC (which is a Pentium 4) because I only have an integrated video card.
a) If I'm planning on keeping my new PC for 5 years, am I better off getting a dual core or quad core processor?
b) What are the pros & cons of overclocking the processor?
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Clinton
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Posted: 09 Dec 2008 at 8:49pm |
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Resolution is how big you'll be playing the game at. The bigger the resoultion is, the more details you're going to see. Everything will seem smaller.
Settings is just the quality you'll be trying to load the game at. You will want to get a quad core. And overclocking your processor is like tuning a car. It's going to run faster and load faster. |
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B5GkarNarn
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Posted: 09 Dec 2008 at 9:01pm |
Thank you, Clinton. I'm very nearsighted so I prefer to have things on my screen appear larger rather than smaller. Ideally, I would like the settings to be as high as possible (I'm guessing) because a high quality would be easier on my eyes.
If the processor is overclocked, would that mean that more heat is being generated by the PC?
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Posted: 09 Dec 2008 at 9:01pm |
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3) If you go with a single graphics card and don't plan on upgrading components, you will be fine with 750W or 850W. But if you go SLI or CrossfireX (two graphic cards) or want to upgrade components down the road, 1000W is suggested.
4) The resolution is how many pixels are on the screen. The more pixels, the harder your graphic card(s) will need to work. A 22" monitor usually has a 1680x1050 resolution which is pretty standard now-a-days and a 24" monitor has a 1920x1200 resolution which is considered high. Settings is the picture quality, self explanatory. a) A quad core. With it being pretty standard now, games in the next few years will start utilizing more than 2 cores. Some games today are pretty CPU intensive already. b) Pros of overclocking is that you get more for what you paid for. You can buy a $300 processor and overclock it to match the speed of a $500 processor. Cons of overclocking is that it usually consumes more power/produce more heat, and might cause stability issues . |
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DST4ME
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Posted: 09 Dec 2008 at 9:39pm |
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what resolution are you going to be gaming at?
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B5GkarNarn
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Posted: 22 Dec 2008 at 11:40am |
I honestly don't know because I have no prior experience with changing resolutions. Will the resolution settings be determined by my LCD monitor as well as the games that I'll be playing?
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Posted: 22 Dec 2008 at 1:59pm |
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well first your monitor has to be able to support it, are you going to be using your current monitor or buying a new one?
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B5GkarNarn
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Posted: 22 Dec 2008 at 5:04pm |
I need help deciding whether or not to keep on using my current monitor or buy a new one. Can you please help me to decide what is the best course of action?
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Posted: 22 Dec 2008 at 5:08pm |
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The first thing to look at is you budget, do you have room to spend on a monitor? if so then look at this thread, skyR has a bunch of great ones listed.
once you figure that out, tell me your budget for your PC system, and we will take it from there.
if you got a good monitor that you are happy with, there is no need to get another one, so my advise is if you are happy with what you got, then stick with it
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Posted: 22 Dec 2008 at 7:07pm |
My budget is $3,000 & I'm trying to avoid spending part of it on a new monitor if I don't need to. I like my current monitor (it's fine for surfing the Internet, email, & word processing) but since I can't play any FPS games (Halo 2, Crysis Warhead with Crysis Wars) on my current PC (because of the integrated video card) - I have no idea if my current monitor will be adequate (or compatible) with my new gaming PC that I plan to purchase within the next 3 months.
Also, thank you for the link to skyR's thread.
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Posted: 22 Dec 2008 at 8:13pm |
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well for the heck of it why don't you see which one of those monitors you like, take the price out of your 3000 and tell me what you got left
looking at things right now, for Kick butt system liquid cooled, we are looking at $2800, the same sytem with great air cooling price is $2613 let me know what you think btw why don't you post in teh hardware section and put down your make and model of your monitor and ask people and see what they say about your monitor for gaming. see what skyR says about your monitor, he is very good with monitors for gaming Edited by DST4ME - 22 Dec 2008 at 8:14pm |
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Posted: 24 Dec 2008 at 5:37pm |
I looked at the monitors in skyR's thread. I don't know what criteria I would use to pick one of them though. I posted the make, model, and links to the specs on the 2 monitors that I currently own in the Hardware section. I'm hoping that skyR will look it over & comment when he has a chance.
I would like to pay no more than $3,000 including shipping charges so $2,613 for the system with air cooling sounds good to me.
Thank you for helping me out so far, DST4ME.
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Posted: 24 Dec 2008 at 6:06pm |
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NP lets see what responses you get for your monitor, you might have room to go with the LC
if not air is very good too
ok let me post 4 configs now so you can see what they look like, now these 4 systems are both designed to handle upto 2560 x 1600 resolution (30 inch monitor) at high settings: Air Cooled Systems: Nvidia System: here you go Ticket# 220213 --- Price: $2676 (To see this build click here) Copy of Specifications: Chassis Model: Cooler Master HAF 932 Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish Processor: Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (Quad Core) Motherboard: ASUS P6T Deluxe (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports Dual SLI or CrossFire) System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1333MHz OCZ Power Supply: 750W Corsair TX (Dual SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition) Card Reader: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 320GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA) Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x) Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: 2x SLI Dual (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260+ 896MB (216 Streams) (Includes PhysX Technology) Add-on Card: - No Thanks Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 2: Cooler Master V8 (Compatible With i7 Processors) Liquid Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a H20: Stage 3 Cooling System Selected Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Blue) Enhancements: - No Thanks Chassis Mods: - No Thanks Boost Processor: Yes, Overclock the processor as much as possible with complete stability Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) (For Enthusiasts) Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based) Virus Protection: - No Thanks Office: - No Thanks Benchmarking: - No Thanks Install/Test Game: - No Thanks LCD Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks External Storage: - No Thanks Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks Priority Build: - No Thanks Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty --------------------------------------------------------- ATI System: here you go Ticket# 220202 --- Price: $2545 (To see this build click here) Copy of Specifications: Chassis Model: Cooler Master HAF 932 Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish Processor: Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (Quad Core) Motherboard: ASUS P6T Deluxe (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports Dual SLI or CrossFire) System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1333MHz OCZ Power Supply: 750W Corsair TX (Dual SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition) Card Reader: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 320GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA) Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x) Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: 1x ATI Radeon HD 4870X2 2GB Add-on Card: - No Thanks Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 2: Cooler Master V8 (Compatible With i7 Processors) Liquid Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a H20: Stage 3 Cooling System Selected Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Blue) Enhancements: - No Thanks Chassis Mods: - No Thanks Boost Processor: Yes, Overclock the processor as much as possible with complete stability Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) (For Enthusiasts) Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based) Virus Protection: - No Thanks Office: - No Thanks Benchmarking: - No Thanks Install/Test Game: - No Thanks LCD Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks External Storage: - No Thanks Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks Priority Build: - No Thanks Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty --------------------------------------------------------- Liquid Cooled Systems: Nvidia System: here you go Ticket# 220204 --- Price: $2846 (To see this build click here) Copy of Specifications: Chassis Model: Cooler Master HAF 932 Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish Processor: Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (Quad Core) Motherboard: ASUS P6T Deluxe (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports Dual SLI or CrossFire) System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1333MHz OCZ Power Supply: 750W Corsair TX (Dual SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition) Card Reader: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 320GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA) Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x) Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: 2x SLI Dual (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260+ 896MB (216 Streams) (Includes PhysX Technology) Add-on Card: - No Thanks Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 3: High-Performance Liquid Chilled FrostBite System For CPU Liquid Color:UV Red: Glowing Non-conductive High-Performance Fluid (Requires H20: Stage 3 & UV Lighting) Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (UV) (Creates Glowing Effect For H20: Stage 3 UV Fluid) Enhancements: - No Thanks Chassis Mods: - No Thanks Boost Processor: Yes, Overclock the processor as much as possible with complete stability Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) (For Enthusiasts) Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based) Virus Protection: - No Thanks Office: - No Thanks Benchmarking: - No Thanks Install/Test Game: - No Thanks LCD Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks External Storage: - No Thanks Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks Priority Build: - No Thanks Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty --------------------------------------------------------- ATI System: here you go Ticket# 220205 --- Price: $2715 (To see this build click here) Copy of Specifications: Chassis Model: Cooler Master HAF 932 Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish Processor: Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (Quad Core) Motherboard: ASUS P6T Deluxe (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports Dual SLI or CrossFire) System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1333MHz OCZ Power Supply: 750W Corsair TX (Dual SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition) Card Reader: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 320GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA) Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x) Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: 1x ATI Radeon HD 4870X2 2GB Add-on Card: - No Thanks Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 3: High-Performance Liquid Chilled FrostBite System For CPU Liquid Color:UV Red: Glowing Non-conductive High-Performance Fluid (Requires H20: Stage 3 & UV Lighting) Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (UV) (Creates Glowing Effect For H20: Stage 3 UV Fluid) Enhancements: - No Thanks Chassis Mods: - No Thanks Boost Processor: Yes, Overclock the processor as much as possible with complete stability Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) (For Enthusiasts) Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based) Virus Protection: - No Thanks Office: - No Thanks Benchmarking: - No Thanks Install/Test Game: - No Thanks LCD Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks External Storage: - No Thanks Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks Priority Build: - No Thanks Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty --------------------------------------------------------- All you need to do in those systems is to upgrade your HDD1 to a veloci raptor, other then that those are 4 beasts right there. 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Posted: 25 Dec 2008 at 9:19pm |
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Thank you for working on those configurations. I would just like to call to your attention that I would need 3 hard drives. Please look at my post and your reponse here: http://www.digitalstormonline.com/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=5120&PID=57670#57670
Also, I want to configure a dual-boot set-up with Windows XP Pro and Vista Ultimate 64-bit edition. I'm doing this because I have certain old games that I'm guessing will have a better chance of working properly on Windows XP than Vista. What are your thoughts & suggestions regarding a dual-boot set-up? Finally, I'm more comfortable with 2 optical drives. I'm still trying to decide if I should get a Blu-Ray drive for 1 of them or not. What do you recommend? Is Corsair memory something special enough for me to want to pay more $ for? Finally, I want to wish you a very Healthy & Happy Holiday, DST4ME!
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Posted: 26 Dec 2008 at 1:25am |
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OK, lets see, if you read my response in that thread, your third HDD for cloning should be an external drive, I like to just buy an internal drive and then get an external enclosure for it, this way I pay for only what I want and I have a solid external for backups.
as for dual boot, instead of that, why don't you just run a virtual server like vmare which allows you to install and run one OS inside another, in your case you can install XP and run XP from your vista desktop. If not, dual boot is OK. I would recommend against bluray, too expensive still and in a few years there is gonna be a different format. corsair is a great memory but the difference is not big enough to change, but go with which ever you like. thank your for your warm wishes and I wish you and your family a wonderful Holidays and great New Year
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