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    Posted: 21 Jul 2012 at 7:17pm
I was surprised to learn today from the Sales Dept that DS doesn't provide any in-home service or cover local repairs under warranty.  My experience is that the bigger players in this business typically contract with a network of independent repairmen to provide this service.  Having used those services in the past, the prospect of having to ship the system back and forth across the country (presumably at my cost, although I must admit I did not ask) is a potential deal breaker. Maybe not a big deal for a laptop, but for a desktop??  I realize that most repairs will be a component swap and most of those are straightforward, but if I was comfortable with the idea of replacing a mobo or CPU I would have just ordered a box o parts and built the system myself.  With these limitations, the warranty just doesn't seem to be worth as much as I thought it would be.
Am I making too much out of this? What have others experiences been in dealing with DS on warranty repairs?  Have you had to do a return?  If so, what was the turnaround time?  If you did the repair yourself, did DS provide the support you needed to help you through it?
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  Quote bprat22 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 6:19am
Hi BGMcG.....Alot of us, at least myself, probably went through the same doubt.  What does win one over is knowing that DS will work with you as long as it takes, either phone or email, to get the problem resolved and the part installed.  Quite a number of customers with the thought of changing the power supply, ram stick or graphic card, especially the power supply,  have come here to the forums and we've put their mind at ease at how somewhat easy most parts are to change.  I agree that the motherboard would be alot more involved, with cpu, ram sticks, and cpu cooler needing to be swapped.  But, again, DS will spend hours if necessary, to help.  And it is just a careful, methotical procedure.
If you do have to send it back then you would pay the few hundred $  shipping and a couple of weeks to get it back.  That's after 30 days. 
 
If it's a part like graphics card, you would either send them the card and then they send the new one, or to save time, they would send the card next day and charge the card to you and then credit when the old one was received. 
 
Most have little or no problem, but it is a possibility.  I liked the home service I had with brand X but I like DS pc's a whole lot better. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 9:22am
That's a great question. I'll be more than happy to explain. About 80% of the issues any customer has are usually resolved remotely, this is with the customer and a technician over the phone. Simple part replacements are usually sent to the customer for a quick swap as a large portion of our customers are fairly tech savvy, I would imagine that the big box brands don't have the same type of customers. In addition, if a system needed service that a customer could not do a complicated repair on, we've seen in the past that a majority of the techs out there are unable to work on our type of machines either, causing even a bigger issue.

I hope that explains one large aspect of the situation.
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  Quote BGMcG Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 3:31pm
Thanks for the feedback. Good to hear again that DS provides the phone support needed to get their customers through the repairs.  This seems to be backed up by the exceptionally positive comments on the CS dept.  Still, a bit disapponting about the warranty.  Like a lot of people, I think, I've purchase PC extended warranties in the past not so much to save a few bucks on parts but to avoid repair hassles and to get up and running again asap.  I considered the warranty to be a big part of the justification of the additional cost of buying from DS instead of building it myself and now that I understand the warranty, I will have to decide if the remaining benefits (not having to build it, testing before shipment, excellent CS, etc.) can justify that cost difference.  
 
 
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  Quote Tidgxor Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 5:26pm
That's the only downside to changing over to smaller, more knowledgeable companies, is that the warranty often doesn't have all the same benefits as the big-box brands. It was something I took into serious consideration as well before I purchased from DS. That being said, I have had zero issues with my rig and its past the 1.5 year mark. I've also had very positive experiences when I have dealt with DS. When I decide to purchase my next rig, it will be with DS, no doubt about it. I've really enjoyed the comprehensive warranties of the larger companies in the past, but as far as performance and quality go, DS has them beat hands down. 
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  Quote BGMcG Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 8:43pm
Thanks, Tidgxor (is there a story behind that name?).  I enjoyed reading the recap of your DS experience.  I've spent a lot of time the past few weeks on the DS forum and couldn't agree more with your comments on what a great resource that is.  I'm back to leaning toward going with DS, but have a few questions I need to get answered tomorrow before I pull the trigger.
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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 10:22pm
Glad to hear!
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  Quote xii Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Jul 2012 at 10:29pm
Excellent statement OP!

If I may address the other side of the coin?

I have an Alienware M18xR1.
It's brand new.

I had all kinds of crashing issues.  All kinds.  (to the point it would loop boot to BSODs)  So Dell, once I got through the accent/language barrier in Costa Rica (no disrespect intended - some great mountain climbing there) and over -80- documented hours on my cellphone with Alienware tech support, which only exists in Costa Rica - they decided to fix my Hard Drives by sending me new ones, they would not send a technician.  The drives arrived, I had to look up on youtube on my phone, how to take apart this laptop.

I finally replace the drives, setup raid, and install.  I call Dell for help with the drivers and the technician tells me because I installed windows without their permission I voided my warranty.  (at this point I had 175 days left on the warranty)

After some hassle - they help me install the drivers, which are all named (for example) HJUUS3.EXE and not Nvidia 560M drivers or whatnot.

Anyway - the tech gets the drivers installed, installs the wrong ones and we being getting BSODs again in loop.

Speeding the story along, they send a technician.  He arrives at my barracks room (I was still in the Navy at the time) at 11PM.  He brings parts including a motherboard, GPU, etc to replace.  The technician stays until 1 AM, repairing this laptop.  During the repair time, not only did he fall asleep at my desk, he proceeded talking about "Charlie" and having miniature flashbacks of 'Nam, he even showed me the bullet hole scar in his head and talked about being buried alive and all kinds of other colorful imagery. (I am also, a combat veteran)

He leaves.  I go to sleep.  I wake up 2 hours later for work, come home laptop BSODs in loop.

6 weeks go by.

I finally get permission to send the laptop in (that no longer boots).

I send it in.

2 weeks later I get it back.  It runs I update windows and only install absolutely necessary things - such as SP1.  It begins to BSOD in loop.

A week passes - they agree to REPLACE the laptop for a brand new one.
I send in the computer.  They send me one.  They lose the ability to provide me a tracking number.

I get the laptop, except it isn't new - it is someone else's -referbished- laptop.

It is sitting on my counter.

Sometimes, just being able to tap a company like Digital Storm that has proven their customer service is worth all the warranty in the world - not to mention I know they will do everything they can to keep your system in your hands before asking you to send it back.

Thank you so much for posting, sorry for the long response, it is my longest ever and sadly - I left a bunch out.  You have my word all the above is true.

Regards.

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  Quote FrankW Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Jul 2012 at 10:49am
Hi BGMcG,

First off, never buy anything until you have read the warranty. Isn't hind-sight great.

My last computer before DS was a XPS and I had at home repairs. My on-board com port failed so I called service. It took forever to convince them what the problem was. They finally agreed that my com port had failed and they would dispatch a tech to take care of it. I said no, just send me a $20 com card and I would install it. They said no they can't send out a card that wasn't a replacement. The tech showed up and I had a wrist strap already set up for her to use. She wouldn't use it, period. She agreed that the com port was bad and would have to replace the mother board. She also said she couldn't give me a com card. So she changes my mobo and turns it back on. When it starts it does the on/off/on routine that is normal. She decides that the replacement board was bad and would order me another one. That board worked fine but she insisted that the on/off/0n start up was a problem.

She returns with a new mobo and again won't use the wrist strap. Replaces it and of course it still does the normal startup of on/off/on and she wants to order another Mobo. I finally insisted that she leave and I would sign off on the repair as complete.

The whole experience was a joke and cost somebody a lot of money. If I had know what the at-home service was about I would have just bought me a com card and been done with it. I will never buy at home computer service again.

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  Quote xii Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Jul 2012 at 12:01pm
@Frank - exactly why I have a small business where we go out and fix, install and train about computers - these businesses are a joke.
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  Quote Asangard Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Jul 2012 at 1:51pm
The last non DS computer I had was 3 computers ago.  I actually had it built by a local computer company that seemed at the time had a good reputation.
 
While still under warranty I started having graphics problems.  I knew it was a bad graphics card but when I talked to them they insisted it was a software issue so it wasn't covered by their warranty.  I unistalled the driver re-installed the latest driver still had the same problem.  Re-Installed the driver that came with the computer and still the same problem.  I went back and talked to them again and explained what I did and still they insisted it was a software issue so no warranty.  I ended up buying a new graphics card (same model) and istalled it myself and the problem went away.  I tried telling them again that it was a graphcis card problem but once again they insisted it was software related so no warranty.  I even talked to the owner to no avail.  
 
When it was time to buy my next computer one of my top requirements was a quality build with good customer service that took care of their customers even after the purchase.  I searched the internet and that is when I came across DS.  Their customer service and their in house techs are the best I have ever delt with.   
 
Over the years I have computers by Atari, Apple, HP, Dell, Gateway, Packard Bell and local builders.  I can say without a doubt DS beats them all when it comes to a quality build and customer service. 
 
You just can't go wrong by purchasing a DS computer.
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  Quote BGMcG Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Jul 2012 at 6:28pm
DS certainly has the most supportive customer base I've ever seen!  I guess I've been relatively lucky with in-home repairs the couple of times I've needed it.  Not perfect mind you, but much better than some of the horror stories recounted here.  Bottom line is that I've decided to go DS.  I appreciate the feedback from all who took the time to respond.
 
 
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  Quote xii Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Jul 2012 at 7:22pm
Thanks for the kind words - I did not recount the story to sway you, however, I as a hard working customer such as yourself, want what I pay for and I think you'll find that value here.  I have.
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  Quote Valix Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Jul 2012 at 1:40pm
I am currently having problems with my DS rig now. Power Supply is failing after 2 months...which does happen. I personally would like to see a 50/50 split on shipping for replacement parts covered under the warranty. Right now you are expected to foot the bill both ways. Where as most big names and parts manufacturers will pay to send the parts to you as long as you get them the defective part first. I am disappointed in the warranty in that regard. Just something to consider, but chances are you will never experience any issues.
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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Jul 2012 at 2:51pm
I understand, we do offer a 30 day time-frame in which we cover shipping both ways. Afterwards, we cover parts and labor but not shipping. With our current pricing and support, etc... we can't financially make it possible for us to cover shipping both ways once a customer is out of the 30 day time-frame, we do offer a discounted rate, usually 40%-50% off compared to what FedEx/UPS normally charge.

Perhaps in the future we could offer a higher rated, and premium warranty plan for customers that want shipping costs covered both ways, I would imagine that option being an extra $150 to $200 on top of a system price.
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  Quote Valix Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Jul 2012 at 3:07pm
I really dont expect both way shipping from online providers unless like you say a premium warranty. I do however think it would be more than reasonable for the company to pay half. The cost of sending the replacement item, while the customer is responsible for paying to return the defective item. I am actually getting that level of service through corsair on the item. I understand thats your policy, but maybe something to consider in the future.
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  Quote oldlady RPGer Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 11 Aug 2012 at 10:21pm
If you read the "Iced tea" post then you will know I sent my computer back to DS for repair and upgrades. I would never trust anyone with my $5,000++ system but DS. It cost me almost $400 to ship it. For me that's money well spent. 1 tire on my Honda s2000 is that much! Lol.   
And now for my Dell story. xii this may sound familiar.
I bought a Aleinware M17x laptop a few years ago. When it came to the house my husband called me at work and said it's here. I was that excited but it didn't last sadly. Right out of the box I had issues. It would start and stop continuously and then I got the BSOD. I had to work the next day so waited until I was off to call tech support Dell. The Dell tech in India was very hard to understand and he couldn't fix anything over the phone. Said he would call back. 3 days later I called back. Talked to 6 different people in India and was on hold over 2 hours. I finally told them to send me a tech locally. They said they would call back with information on the tech visit. Now I work in healthcare and really try to see the good in everything.
A week went buy no Dell call. Another week was going by. So I called Dell again and went through 8 people this time.
Dell told me they had tried to call me but nobody answered the phone! Odd since I gave them 3 phone numbers to reach me. I told them I was returning the laptop. They said no I couldn't because the return policy had expired. I said I want a tech to come to my house! Finally 5 days later a tech comes and he said they gave him the wrong phone number to reach me but he looked me up in phone book! He took the laptop apart and worked on it for 2 hours. Said it needed a mobo and new hard drive etc. He called Dell and they put him on hold for an hour and then hung up on him!!!
So I got refurbished parts to fix my new laptop.
New Orleans tech said I need to get a new laptop because it still didn't work.
Dell disagreed.
I called my Atorney General and the BBB. They took the case.
Dell called me back. Guess they got my number right.
Ended up giving me a new laptop.
Took 2 months, 100 hours on the phone, talking to over 20 people in foreign countries but I got my Dell.
I will NEVER buy another Dell product! Worst customer service! And my laptop has given me a boatload of problems still. (I loved Dell and have bought other systems over the years from them). Got an old xps600 that still works!

This is why I bought a DS because of the reviews and the BBB loves them. And so far the customer service has been great.
Sorry I wrote a short novel. EEK.
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  Quote xii Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Aug 2012 at 2:26am
No - I hear you they gave me a "new" laptop willingly.  I had an M17xR3.  They gave me an M18xr1.  Good deal?  Sadly it was refurbished and the case had structural damage lol.  I just kept it - Id rather not go through the nightmare.

Needless to say it is going in the -garage sale- in September.
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  Quote BGMcG Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Aug 2012 at 7:21pm
Thanks for the added reinforcement, but I had already come to the same conclusion as you and ordered from DS.  To be honest, my concern had more to do with the inconvenience of having to send it on a 5000+ mile round trip than the cost.  Still hoping I never have to do that! 
 
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  Quote Tidgxor Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Aug 2012 at 9:08pm
Originally posted by Alex

I understand, we do offer a 30 day time-frame in which we cover shipping both ways. Afterwards, we cover parts and labor but not shipping. With our current pricing and support, etc... we can't financially make it possible for us to cover shipping both ways once a customer is out of the 30 day time-frame, we do offer a discounted rate, usually 40%-50% off compared to what FedEx/UPS normally charge.

Perhaps in the future we could offer a higher rated, and premium warranty plan for customers that want shipping costs covered both ways, I would imagine that option being an extra $150 to $200 on top of a system price.


Alex, in all due respect, I am not sure how that 40-50% off is accurate. In a recent incident I had with a dead HDD, I was quoted at 13.50$ (each way, so 27$ in total) for DS to send me a new HDD. As I mentioned in my system thread, I went straight to Western Digital to save some money. To ship the HDD, with insurance, cost me 6.38$ (I only paid for return shipping, not both ways). That's a 7.12$ difference from what DS wanted to ship me the same thing. Since it was the same shipping  company that DS quoted me with (FedEx) I am not sure how you are claiming to offer 40-50% discounts, when I shipped the same item for less than 50% of what DS quoted me, with insurance.

I am a very happy DS customer, and will continue to recommend you, but I do believe that the shipping situation is the "weakest" part of your coverage.


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  Quote xii Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Aug 2012 at 10:20pm
Originally posted by BGMcG

Thanks for the added reinforcement, but I had already come to the same conclusion as you and ordered from DS.  To be honest, my concern had more to do with the inconvenience of having to send it on a 5000+ mile round trip than the cost.  Still hoping I never have to do that! 
 


Easily my stance.  I'd have a guaranteed downtime for at least 10-14 days just in travel time and what if something broke on the way back?  If you guys ever want help opening an office in FL - I am your man.  Consider.
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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 13 Aug 2012 at 9:36am
Tidgxor,

Thank you for sharing your feedback, all feedback is welcome, which allows us to improve the business for our customers. I will definitely share all of your feedback, as we do value the input.

I can give you examples on how our rates can be a discounted rate versus normal retail prices. I'm sure Western Digital gets even better rates than us, which allows them to offer even better shipping prices.

I'll share your feedback, thank you as always and thank you everyone for being so active on our community!
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  Quote Bobby Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 13 Aug 2012 at 11:54am
@Tidgxor.....shipping rates are like airline tickets....everyone is likely paying a different rate. Al lot depends on the "deals" companies can make with the account exec in each market. I get an employee discount at FedEx which is suppose to be cost....yet I am aware of some companies that get a cheaper rate than me so one would think FedEx is losing money.
 
Actually...what is happening is they are getting a break on one market and paying full fare in another market so at the end of the day, FedEx makes money. A lot has to do if the company also ships International or OTR trucking or even maritime traffic.
 
FedEx Express division is not making as much domestic revenue as they would like and their Ground division is run by idependent contractors working for piecework wages so there is a lot of negotiating room to be had.
 
With respect to the distance...it shouldn't matter because 99% of the transit time the box is in an aluminum container (ULD) and is protected. The problem happens when the box goes through the sort. That's the point the box gets damaged and that will happen whether it goes 5,000 miles or 50 miles. I've worked the sorts...that was one scary job.
 
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  Quote Tidgxor Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 13 Aug 2012 at 7:15pm
Bobby,

Great points all around, had I used the Western Digital RMA label I would have definitely taken that into consideration. However, this was entirely done via a FedEx location with a marker-on-the-box address and the RMA number written on each side of the box. I suppose its possible that somehow I got a deal based solely on the fact that I sent the package to a specific address, but unless FedEx knew that that address was Western Digital, there was no indication that WD was involved as they don't provide return postage and I didn't have access to a computer to purchase a shipping label through their website. All that being said, your other points about various rates is likely spot on in my case. Thanks for the informative post.

Again, very happy with DS, and I was happy with their technical support during the process of getting the new HDD. I was just sharing my own personal experiences with shipping. Anyone considering DS should see my 1500 other post praising them heartily Big%20Smile
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  Quote xii Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 13 Aug 2012 at 10:27pm
Concur with the above - would like like free shipping for warranty duration?  Sure.  However, I already gain leaps of the competition being with Digital Storm.
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  Quote girishserio Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 13 Dec 2012 at 9:10pm
Everyone of us has gone through this kind of doubt.What gives us relief is that DS will work as long as it takes to get the issue resolved.
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