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    Posted: 21 Nov 2007 at 6:56pm
I ordered my computer on Nov 2 and was very excited after reading reviews on sites such as reseller.com. One of the reasons I chose DS was that they seemed to have a bit faster turn around on the computer build than some of the other companies I was looking at. Well, that was 20 days ago. At first I was very impressed with the email updates informing me of the status of my computer. Those updates only last the first 3 days, I have to call on a daily basis and every time I call the support staff acts like it's the first time talking to me. They put me on hold and inform me that my computer has failed the 3D mark test...again. It's failed 4 times now, supposedly DS has replaced the video card, the memory, the video card again and now the motherboard. I appreciate the rigorous testing but it seems to me that hey should advise me if I have chosen a system with inherent conflicts and reccomend a solution. Also, not one email about any of this, like I said I have to call daily to get told that it's still not ready to be shipped. Going without a computer for a month is ridiculous and if I'd known it was going to take this long I would never have gone down this path.
STILL  without a computer,
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Sorry to hear about your problems, I just ordered my DS system yesterday and I hope everything goes smooth. 

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  Quote bad123 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 21 Nov 2007 at 7:39pm
Hi,

Be aware that DS does NOT work on weekends. So it's only been 12-13 days.

It does say in the Stage 2 E-mail that it may take longer if they find problems. Be patient, it'll be worth the wait. :)
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  Quote Pineapplerum Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 21 Nov 2007 at 8:01pm
Hi Andy,
Sorry to hear you're bumming out. Disapprove
I understand what you're saying but DS is a small company. They don't have a huge manufacturing plant like other companies that have hundreds of employees.  DS custom builds their computers.  Look at the pictures they have uploaded that shows the facility where they build the computers in the company.  And I love the two desks in the same room as the Management office. You can see they don't have a lot of employees and the company is still a babe in the woods.  It doesn't have the big corporation feel to it.  Which is one of THEE reasons why I've ordered from them instead of Dell or Apple. I like the Mom and Pop corner store feel the company still has to it.  I feel like in 5 years this company is going to be on it's way to becoming huge but I got to get a computer from them while they were still a wee company fighting to hold their own with the Big Guns.Tongue
I think DS is doing the best they can.  With it being around the holidays I'm sure there must be an increase in demand.  And they can't just rush through it to get it done in a flash as I'm sure everyone would love for it to be done.  I read somewhere how they have to order the parts as the computer orders come in because they don't have a huge inventory.
They probably don't have enough staff to be calling everyone everytime something goes wrong with somebody's computer.
I think also their popularity is increasing and maybe they just haven't grown into it yet.  It will take them some time to get adjusted to the increase of demand as they become more and more popular.  Shocked
Yeah, you could have gone with another company but I think the computer you ordered would have been a lot more expensive and the making of it would not have the personal attention the computer they're making for you now is getting.
A month is a long time but to be fair, it is around the holiday season. The worst time to order anything if you're in a rush to recieve it. They're trying to make a lot of people happy all at once.  Cut them some slack. I'm very excited to get my computer, also. I wish it was on it's way here already but it's still in the first stage.  
It'll all be worth the wait once you do finally recieve it. Because it didn't come to you as a cookie cut out computer.
Sorry to hear your bumming without a computer.  I know I'd be really sad without one too.  Try to hang in there.  It's coming and it'll be soooo worth it when you juice it up for the first time as a big fat smile takes over your face.LOL
 
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  Quote sundowner Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 21 Nov 2007 at 8:07pm
You do have to consider that if the parts that they're using in your build are continually breaking it's not their fault, its the manufacturers.  As in most types of industry where mass production tends to outpower quality it's a hit or miss situation almost every time.
 
Although I do agree if your order is continuing to fail stress test after stress test you should receive a call or an email to keep you informed of the situation.
 
If it's failed that many times then you should request to have a rebuild.
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  Quote Dog Lover Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 21 Nov 2007 at 9:43pm

Andy, I am right there with you.  I ordered mine, after talking with the Tech's many times, on 11-03-07 and as you, paid in full up front. I was assured my build was correct and stable via phone conversations.

 

I got the Stage One email on 11-06-07. Then, the Stage Two email on 11-07-07.  With the Stage Two email, it said to expect ship date of 11-12-07.  I never called them one time to check on it up to this point as I did not want to be as pest and had blind faith.

 

On 11-19-07, with no calls received or emails, I called them.  They checked around and told me the system failed the stress tests and that they were working on finding out why. 

 

On 11-20-07, I got a voice mail at home to call them as they thought I needed cooling upgrades.

 

I called today and spoke to a Customer Service Representative (CSR) that was a really nice guy, very pleasant and polite and wanted to be helpful, but he had few answers for me. I, as he told me, need either a new case or more cooling. He had to put me one hold twice to find some one to give him answers to how much the cooling was.  He found out it was over 300 bucks (which I authorized). I asked how I was to pay for it and he had no clue. He figured they would just send me a bill.  ????????????????. Maybe they won’t ever bill me. HA!

 

I then asked him how far this build was now going to set me back, and would not let him off the phone until he put me on hold and went to talk to a Tech. After that, he told me they had all of the parts in stock and it would be complete by Friday. (We will see).

 

Anyway…….. So, here I am again at Stage One, I guess. I have done extensive research on the TermalElectic Cooling they say I need and it’s going to cause the system to be torn down and rebuilt from square one.  The mother board has to be removed and there is major work to get this installed.  And, then, I keep now thinking, will I now need a new case to make this all work correctly?  What is that cost going to be? Will I get a call in 10 or 20 days telling me that I need yet more parts?

 

 I really want this system, from this company and hope they can build and deliver it. I have fired off some emails to the company, still un-responded to, in hopes I can get real time information from a boss or builder who can give me some satisfaction.

 

I was really angry earlier today. I was at work when I talked to this CSR, but, now I have mellowed following a few sips of my 12 year old Scotch. (My relaxation along with my FPS video games that I am looking forward to some day with my DSO system).

 

 I want this system. I really think the problem is that this company has over advertised and under staffed. They are way in over their heads now. They have put out a request for business, in many gamer related markets with a good product and a genuine intent to provide it… But they have no where near the staff to meet the production goals they have promised.

 

I guess that all that we each can do now is two things.  Wait……….. Or cancel our orders.  I for one do not want to cancel.  This is my “Dream” machine I am putting a lot of money out for.

 

So, DSO, how about some real time information and answers to all of us frustrated, hard working and CASH paying customers?

 



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  Quote Andy Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 21 Nov 2007 at 10:40pm
Thanks Guys,
I feel a bit better. I KNOW I am going to get a great product in the end and it is my dream system as well. I guess what bums me out is, if in fact they are such a small operation and the management only have 2 desks then why do they act like every day when I call they are speaking to me for the first time. I have called and left numerous messages when they decide not to answere the phone and they have never called me back. I did my research before going with DS and I chose them over companies like Hyper but.....when you've got an unplayed copy of Bioshock and Crysis sitting on your desk it is pure torture :)
LOL, I know you can all feel my pain there. Anyway, thanks guys you really did make me feel better. Hopefully my next post will be my reports on how awesome Crysis is performing on new rig!!
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  Quote Getout Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Nov 2007 at 12:45am
What are the two build you guys had made?
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  Quote Dog Lover Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Nov 2007 at 9:22am

Here is my build.... I just added ThermoElectric cooling the other day as they said it was overheating in the tests:

Case: Digital Storm Twister PRO (Black Anodized Aluminum Finish)
Power Supply: 850W Thermaltake (8800 GTX SLI Compatible) (Silent Toughpower Edition)
Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad QX6850 Extreme 3.00GHz (1333MHz FSB)
Motherboard: nVidia 680i Core 2 Quad (By: eVGA) (nForce 680i SLI) (A1 Revision)
Memory: 4GB DDR2 Corsair at 1066MHz Dominator (Dual Channel) (Extreme-Performance)
Floppy / Media: Sony 1.44MB Floppy (Black Edition)
Hard Drive 1: 160GB (Western Digital / Seagate) (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
Hard Drive 2: - No Thanks
Raid Option: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD-ROM/CD-ROM (DVD Reader 16x / CD Reader 40x)
Optical Drive 2: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x)
Network Card: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Modem: - No Thanks
Video Card: 2x SLI Dual (nVidia GeForce 8800GTX 768MB (By: eVGA / Asus) (PCI-Express)
TV Tuner: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Creative Labs Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer (Up to 7.1 Channel) (Recommended)
Physics Card: - No Thanks
Cooling: Air Cooled Stage 3 (Silent Artic Cooling (TwisterBoost Overclocked)
Case Lighting: - No Thanks
Round Cables: - No Thanks
User Manual: Personalized Platinum Digital Storm Binder (Includes Paperwork/Benchmarks/CDs/Manuals)
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
LCD Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: Microsoft Multimedia Desktop 2.0 (Multimedia Keyboard + Optical Wheel Mouse)
Mouse: - No Thanks my keyboard comes with a mouse
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  Quote bad123 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Nov 2007 at 1:01pm
Hi,

I don't know who you're asking, but here is mine minus the dial-up modem:

Case: Digital Storm Twister EXTREME (Black Anodized Aluminum Finish)
Power Supply: 850W Thermaltake (8800 GTX SLI Compatible) (Silent Toughpower Edition)
Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad QX6850 Extreme 3.00GHz (1333MHz FSB)
Motherboard: nVidia 680i Core 2 Quad (By: eVGA) (nForce 680i SLI) (A1 Revision)
Memory: 2GB DDR2 Corsair at 1066MHz Dominator (Dual Channel) (Extreme-Performance)
Floppy / Media: - No Thanks
Hard Drive 1: 500GB (Western Digital / Seagate) (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
Hard Drive 2: - No Thanks
Raid Option: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD-ROM/CD-ROM (DVD Reader 16x / CD Reader 40x)
Optical Drive 2: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x)
Network Card: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Modem: Creative Labs V.92 Modem Blaster
Video Card: 2x SLI Dual (nVidia GeForce 8800ULTRA 768MB (By: eVGA / Asus) (PCI-Express)
TV Tuner: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Creative Labs Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer (Up to 7.1 Channel) (Recommended)
Physics Card: - No Thanks
Cooling: Air Cooled Stage 2 (Silent Artic Cooling Heat-sink (Copper Heatpipes)
Case Lighting: Blizzard Internal Lighting (Blue Edition) (Cold Cathode Tubes)
Round Cables: - No Thanks
User Manual: Personalized Platinum Digital Storm Binder (Includes Paperwork/Benchmarks/CDs/Manuals)
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows XP Professional (Includes Service Pack 2)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
LCD Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: APC 1200VA Uninterruptible Backup Power Surge Conditioner (Highly Recommended)
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: Logitech G15 Gaming Keyboard (Highly Recommended)
Mouse: - No Thanks
Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty
Support: Lifetime Toll-Free Platinum Care Technical Support



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  Quote gameon Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Nov 2007 at 1:29pm

I can understand that they are a small company and that certain orders can take longer to build. Testing and figuring out problems after failed tests can take longer time.  Getting second hand information about your computer from the phone ansuring people may not be as good as getting the answers from the person working on your computer. Receiving information updates about your computer from the person building your computer would be nice but I can understand that crafting this information can be tricky and time consuming and take away from actual building time. I didn’t do a lot of shopping around for the best deal. I found Digital Storm via Google. I just typed in gaming computers. I didn’t know anything about them or even hear of them until the Google search. On a side note I thought I’d see how small the building is using Google Earth. It looks like they rent space in a larger building at an industrial park.

  When I ordered my computer, it was through their web site. Most all of my communication with Digital Storm is through the internet because I live on the east coast and they, the west coast I just have a time conflict.

 Anyway, basically, I ordered mine and the web site said it would be build by a certain amount of time but then I explored the forum and the build time has changed. If I hadn’t check the forum I wouldn’t have known about the delay due to the many orders they have had. It would have been nice to have gotten an email about the delay.

Anyway, basically, they got around to building mine and testing it. I never got an email that my computer was in “step 2”. I got a phone call from Dave telling me that my configuration wasn’t doing too well .I had them make changes that I thought  was big and that was going to be a pain in the ass to do but they did it and they did it fast.

Anyway, basically, I got my order. It arrived in great shape from across the country. Some of the miner things I wanted, like different color cables and lights were not in stock when I ordered but now I think that’s a good thing because I like what they gave me. All hardware seems to be working fine. Great wire tying and tucking job. I didn’t know wire tying could be done this well.

Anyway, basically, I’ve had this computer for a few weeks now and I’m having fun with it, aside from the confusing reason that vista was also installed on my secondary hard drive.

I’m sorry if what I have said about Digital Storm sounds more negative than positive. Again, let me say that I am having fun with this computer. Bioshock runs great on it so I guess that says a lot. So far, the questions that I email to DS are well answered. Email is my preferred form of communication with DS. Also, this forum is very helpful.

Anyway, basically, I am happy with my choice.

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  Quote Church Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Nov 2007 at 5:08pm
Originally posted by Dog Lover

Here is my build.... I just added ThermoElectric cooling the other day as they said it was overheating in the tests:

Case: Digital Storm Twister PRO (Black Anodized Aluminum Finish)
Power Supply: 850W Thermaltake (8800 GTX SLI Compatible) (Silent Toughpower Edition)
Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad QX6850 Extreme 3.00GHz (1333MHz FSB)
Motherboard: nVidia 680i Core 2 Quad (By: eVGA) (nForce 680i SLI) (A1 Revision)
Memory: 4GB DDR2 Corsair at 1066MHz Dominator (Dual Channel) (Extreme-Performance)
Floppy / Media: Sony 1.44MB Floppy (Black Edition)
Hard Drive 1: 160GB (Western Digital / Seagate) (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
Hard Drive 2: - No Thanks
Raid Option: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD-ROM/CD-ROM (DVD Reader 16x / CD Reader 40x)
Optical Drive 2: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x)
Network Card: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Modem: - No Thanks
Video Card: 2x SLI Dual (nVidia GeForce 8800GTX 768MB (By: eVGA / Asus) (PCI-Express)
TV Tuner: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Creative Labs Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer (Up to 7.1 Channel) (Recommended)
Physics Card: - No Thanks
Cooling: Air Cooled Stage 3 (Silent Artic Cooling (TwisterBoost Overclocked)
Case Lighting: - No Thanks
Round Cables: - No Thanks
User Manual: Personalized Platinum Digital Storm Binder (Includes Paperwork/Benchmarks/CDs/Manuals)
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
LCD Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: Microsoft Multimedia Desktop 2.0 (Multimedia Keyboard + Optical Wheel Mouse)
Mouse: - No Thanks my keyboard comes with a mouse
Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty
Support: Lifetime Toll-Free Platinum Care Technical Support



IT should be overheating in tests considering the case isnt big enough but they are trying to accommodate it.. One gtx in that case spews alot of heat... NOT ONLY did u pick 2 x gtx but an overclocked QX6850, which is EXTREMELY HOT and needs better cooling for sure, and at last... u are running 4 gig corsair running at 1066 megahertz...

The least u could of done was switch your case to a better one...

u really should of just picked the ultra case or extreme unpainted...

and if u see it says that the high end video cards are supported but not totally recomended with the pro

Digital Storm VALUE Series Digital Storm LITE Series Digital Storm PRO Series Digital Storm ULTRA Digital Storm EXTREME

Size:

(W)7.80"x(D)17.20"x(H)17.00" (W)8.00"x(D)20.50"x(H)17.75" (W)8.86"x(D)21.26"x(H)18.23" (W)9.84"x(D)25.12"x(H)21.10" (W)8.27"x(D)20.67"x(H)23.82"

Airflow:

Cool air flows in from the front and the side window 80mm fan. The hot air is then pulled out of the chassis from the two rear 80mm exhaust fans. Cool air flows in from the front by two 80mm fans and the side window 80mm fan. The hot air is then pulled out of the chassis from a single 120mm rear exhaust fan. Cool air flows in from the front 120mm fan. The hot air is then pulled out of the chassis from a 120mm rear exhaust fan. Cool air flows in from the font 120mm fan, bay drive vents, side panel vents, and bottom vent. The hot air is then pulled out of the chassis from the rear 120mm exhaust fan, side panel vents, and top vent. Cool air flows in from the side vents by a 120mm fan. The side vents are a special design where cool air is dragged from the left and right side panel, instead of the front. This cool air is pulled into the hot video card area to cool the graphic cards. The hot air is then pulled out from the rear 120mm exhaust fan and top dual 120mm vents.

Comment:

The Value series case is designed for low end builds that do not harness high end processors or video cards. The Lite series case has a nice gamer feel. It comes with three front readouts for: fan speed, temperature, and hard drive activity. The Pro series case stands out with a professional appeal. This case does not come with a front door and it's sexy chrome outlines make this machine look powerful and elegant. The Ultra series case has to be one of the largest open air cases. This case has the option to install up to seven 120mm fans for amazing air-flow. The Extreme series case has been designed for enthusiasts that demand the best. With a innovative controlled air-flow system, this case can effectively cool high end components.

Stage 2/3 Air Cooling:

Supported Supported Supported Supported Supported
Liquid Cooling: Not Supported Not Supported Supports only Thermoelectric CPU Only Cooling Supported Supported
High-End Video Cards: Not Recommended Supported Supported Recommended Recommended
High-End Processors: Not Recommended Supported Recommended Recommended Recommended



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  Quote EdH63 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Nov 2007 at 7:50pm
Trust me, one 768 GTX is hot!
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<-----damnit I can't remember my password LOL!!!!.  I swear to god, I get on my mothers computer and all of a sudden all my saved passwords and whatnot are gone :( 

Then I tried it with my email and it said can't be found ?!!  I am definitly confused now :(
 
yea, because of the dual 8800GTX's I have in mine, with the raptors which all put out heat, all they could overclock my processor to was 3.333Ghz mind you my Processor was a QX6850 :( I know they could of bumped up that overclock if it weren't for those darn heat hog graphic cards. hehe
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  Quote Bigdog Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Nov 2007 at 12:55am

sorry for double posting so fast..

anyways, I tell ya right now.  I would rather have my processor at 3.333ghz on a really HOT!! graphics card then to bump down the card to overclock higher.  Then what if I decided to get a really really nice card that blows out a lot of heat, then I am screwed.  So DSO made the right decision with the stable 3.333Ghz overclocked QX6850.

Yea, if DSO is taking awhile to build your computer.  Then your computer was likely to be crashing, unstable, not good enough airflow, bad parts, etc etc.   There definitly not like the other computer companies out there, like "cyberpower", voodoo, falcon NW, etc etc.  I heard a lot of bad crap from people that bought computers from cyberpower, plus their "tech support" hardly ""speaka da english"".

I have delt with a lot of tech support people that don't speak english that good.  Guess what they did, hang up on me when I was in the middle of trying to solve a problem LOL!  I was helping this lady at a independent coffee shop, programming her cash register.   A lot of tech support people or whatever, usually end up hanging up on you if there from other countries.   yea anyways,.

If I were you, I would definitly trust DSO building your computer.  They work hard to make sure that everything is correct.  Sometimes it's not, but they will definitly help you out, they are very patient and nice.

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Hey dog lover, I have 2 8800 gtx in a pro case right now with the thermoelectric liquid xoolin, and it is cramped! Highly recommend you step up the case, I'm getting an upgrade to the coolermaster I believe! If you want your dream rig to really perform I suggest you upgrade your case
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  Quote Bill the Cat Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Nov 2007 at 1:49pm
I don't have anything really constructive to add to this thread, but I'm tossing my 2 cents in anyway.
  1. If you ordered a computer from DSO because you thought they would build and deliver it quickly, you were misinformed from the get-go. DSO builds high quality high performance machines. That process takes time, and  the amount of time is unpredictable. I assume the delivery schedules DSO quotes are based on virtually everything going right the first time. When a machine fails in the testing phase, the time to get it right can easily double the original estimated schedule.
  2. Cramming two 8800 class boards into a PRO case is asking for trouble. Upgrading to an Ultra or an Extreme ain't cheap, but it's $200 well spent and a drop in the bucket compared to the bucks you spending on the video cards.
  3. The thing that distinguishes DSO from most other companies is DSO's commitment to getting it right at the end.
  4. It would be nice if DSO communicated with their customers better, but they're small and they're busy.
  5. DSO builds hundreds of machines every month. A few of those are bound to have problems. If you happen to draw the short straw, there is nothing to do but stay calm and believe that when your DSO machine is finished, it will be close to perfect.


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  Quote Dog Lover Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Nov 2007 at 2:23pm
Ya, I guess I am living and learning on the cases / cooling and such.  Should have just gone with the bigger case sysptem in the first place I suppose.  Stinking heat!
 
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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Nov 2007 at 2:43pm

Hey everyone, I hope you all had a great Thanks Giving!

About delays, etc, I am very sorry for the delays, we have been experiencing issues with 8800GT cards. And the market wide shortage doesn't help getting replacements. This delays, it, when we get a bad card, we have to wait for a replacement, etc...
 
When an order has been here for more than 8 days, our floor supervisors: Mehtab and Carlos both know what's going on. They have our more experienced testing technicians work on them constantly so that we can get them shipped as quickly as possible.
 
But, once again, I will mention that, our build times are "estimations" not guarantees and every update email states that this is only an estimation and if we encounter problems it will be delayed.
 
We are a system integrator, so we integrate technologies by other companies: Intel, NVIDIA, etc and if their hardware does not like to work well, we wont let a system that we built out of our facility. Many companies, which I will not mention, do not go to the extreme levels of testing that we do because it can seriously hold them back on shipping units. But, this leaves customers having issues with their computers, which we don't want happening.
 
Please hang on there, we know your system has been here and we are working long and hard to ship this unit as quickly as possible. We are working on a system to update customers with what we have done to try to resolve the problem, for example this is what we usually do if a system fails our 3D overnight test:

1. Video card(s) replaced
2. Memory replaced
3. Motherboard replaced
4. Beta drivers

And by doing those things, you have to account for the 72-hour test for each one and time to take apart the system and do the replacements. This is not an easy task, but, something we do take pride in. The problem is not us not having enough staff and us over advertising, but the testing process itself takes time.

Updating customers every day on what we tried, and what was the result, and what we are planning to do can be very labor intensive. We are trying to work on a simple update system, because, we rather not have our technicians spend a lot of time trying to update orders rather than trying to resolve them.

 
Also, we are always hiring new staff, and if you get a hold of a new guy, please be nice, if he is not sure, he will do his best to find out for you.
 
We are also moving to a new 18,000 SQ. Feet building by the end of this year. Happy holidays everyone!
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  Quote curmudgeon Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Nov 2007 at 3:22pm
Hell, DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME...right?  I for one am glad to hear DS takes the time to make sure my machine is tip top before they deliver.  That was one of the selling points that grabbed me and now from this post i know they stand behind it. If you want a machine rushed out the door buy an Alienware, they'll be happy to slap a system together, take your money and say SEE YEAH!.  Of course if you want it built super fast then why not just build the thing yourself?
 
As for communication breakdowns...running a small business isnt easy, especially when they are probably up to their asses in orders.  It is nice for people to remember your name but seriously you are probably one of a few dozen calling them asking where their systems are at, im sure they all sort of blend together at some point.  I wouldnt take it personally


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Thanks for the reply, Alex.
 
Most of this, from what I am now reading and learning, I guess is my fault.  Should have gone with a bigger case in the first place.  I didn't know this... hence why I am paying to have you build it, and not me.  I don't know how to build one.
 
So, I am learning.  Guess I will just have to call on Monday and have you guys get me a bigger case AND the cooling. 
 
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No problem. I am glad the forums are allowing so many users to learn so many things.

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  Quote OlBull Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Nov 2007 at 4:45pm
I don't care when I get my system, with in reason, I just want it perfect when I receive it.   And that takes time on the builders side.  So DS do what you need to do. I figure I bought into the DC Co. when I purchased, and when my system dosen't live up to what it should, then I'll bug them, in the mean time BUILD ON.  This is just the start of a multi year relationship that I'm looking forwards to.
 
And, thanks for taking your time.  I'll appreciate it in the long run.
 
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  Quote PoppaWedge Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Nov 2007 at 8:44pm
I'm going to toss my 2 (or 3 or 4) cents into this.
 
First of all, I used to work in the Services division (the division was the group that was responsible for coming out and fixing your computer when it croaks) for one of the large computer companies. They had business models that predicted that when a new computer line was launched, N% of those mass-produced computers would fail and would need to be serviced and/or replaced. DSO is taking the time to work out the kinkss before it leaves the shop. I'd rather have my computer arrive late and remain up, then to receive it early and have it continually be down for service.
 
Second, I now help train new employees where I work. One of the things we teach them is to not be afraid to ask questions. Think about it; would you rather have someone put you on hold in order to get the correct answers to your questions, or would you rather have someone that feeds you incorrect answers because they are too afraid to ask for help?
 
Ideally we would all love to be waited upon by the most experienced guy in the shop but the reality is that everyone has to start somewhere. And since it sounds like DSO is growing, we all have to be prepared to talk to the new guy once in awhile. Let's just hope that DSO doesn't put new employees through a 72 hour stress test before putting them on the phones to answer questions.Smile
 
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There's bound to be things that are not perfect when it comes to any experience. If I wanted to knit pick I could point to a half dozen things I don't like about my system, or that I didn't like about my experience with DSO. I could do that for anything. There is no such thing as perfection in any human endevour.
 
The overall experience, however, has been outstanding. I got a great system and paid a reasonable price for the goods recieved and service rendered. To those forced to wait a little while for their order, trust me, it's worth it. I've never even seen a computer as well constructed as the one I recieved from DSO, let alone owned one.
 
I said it before, there is nothing accomplished with human hands that is perfect in this world. These guys *really* try though. I'm not there, I don't know 100%, but I get the impression they really care too- about their product, their company, and about us, their customers. Some people are bound to walk away unimpressed. But I think at least, not for lack of effort.
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  Quote juggernaut Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Nov 2007 at 11:47pm
I'm somewhere between Stage 2 and Stage 3. My experience has been a bit of a mixed bag thus far, but until I've got the product sitting beneath my disk and blazing some multimedia goodness my way, I'll reserve judgment.
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Tyler, that signature is by far the coolest thing I have seen on here!  Nice job!

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  Quote Nomad Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Nov 2007 at 10:57am
Originally posted by Dog Lover

Tyler, that signature is by far the coolest thing I have seen on here!  Nice job!


Heh That's exactly what I was thinking Tongue
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Thanks guys, I just mess around with the toys on programs like GIMP and Paint.net. it's fun to see what the different effects will do. Big%20smile
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  Quote Pineapplerum Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Nov 2007 at 5:40pm
Hi again,
I have to agree with OlBull, I am very, very excited about getting my computer but I'd rather have to wait then to have issues with it when it does arrive.
DogLover, you and me both!  It takes me forever to figure anything out when it comes to knowing how components work and work together with computers.
 
I did a LOT of research before I finally placed an order. Truth be told, I still have no idea what I ordered.  But, I guess it's okay.  They haven't emailed or called to tell me how it's not going to work well together, yet.
I just hope I don't have to get a new computer in a year to be able to play the games they have out then. I tried to upgrade it just a little more then I thought I needed for just that purpose.  We'll see what happens.
I hope you get your computer soon.  You'll have to write to us from and tell us how much fun you're having on it. Approve I guess a lot of people stop writing on these forums once they get their computers 'cause they're so busy playing games?  I'll remember to poke in and say hello to everyone and let you know how the computer is working and how much fun I'm having on it. Big%20smile 
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  Quote Getout Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Nov 2007 at 6:12pm
So is the problem basicly with peeps going with sli and having heat issues with the value and light cases?
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  Quote Church Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Nov 2007 at 8:23pm
and pro because it is too hard to put in two extremely high end cards and make them them be cool in the pro case but 8800 gt sli should be good enough
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