Nvidia 4 series date has been announced

Yeah I am honestly getting pretty unenthusiastic about NVIDIA these days. I haven't owned an AMD (ATI) card since 2005 but I might consider returning to them with my next system.

I don't know about any specific driver issues with AMD beyond the normal stuff with a new release of products. Same thing happens with nVidia.

I do know that many years ago, AMD did have problems and driver issues, but since this new CEO took over and steered AMD in the right direction, hiring the right people and actually addressing the issues that concerned gamers, they have been doing an excellent job.

I can't find any negative things on driver issues with AMD in recent history, other than as I said, tweaking of drivers after release of a new product.

Watched several videos today on AMD CPU and GPU comparisons with Intel and nVidia. For the money, you get more from AMD for your hard earned dollars. It seems that is where AMD likes to be positioned. Yeah, you can get a few more frames from a comparable nVidia card, but at a higher price/higher wattage and more heat!

I am looking forward to the benchmarks that will surely come out by the end of the year on all tiers of cards and cpus. IF, as in the past recent iterations from AMD, they get within the 90-95% performance of comparable Intel and nVidia stuff, then it will be a matter of money. I can still NOT see the difference in FPS once over 40-50 fps. So nVidia gives you 140 fps in certain games and AMD gets you 130 fps in the same game BUT you can save some bucks, not pull as much wattage and not as much heat with AMD and NOT tell the difference? It's a no brainer to me.

And like Tidgxor said, I too am tired if nVidia's tactics and tricks they use to control the market and prices. I don't blame EVGA for refusing to make anymore nVidia cards. They got tired of the BS they had to put up with and the rules/constraints they (nVidia) put on all the third party vendors. I would love to see EVGA jump over to AMD and produce some cards for them. :-)

Edited by fwfdfireman - 22 Sep 2022 at 7:22pm

You're probably right Snaike on the "non-compete", depends on how contract with nVidia was written. That clause might expire the day EVGA terminated their relationship with nVidia. I am sure EVGA will concentrate on their power supply, as suggested by Jayz and hopefully sink some of their prowess on motherboards. I am sure they have peeps knocking at their doors as we speak. lol

After watching numerous videos and reading some articles, I can say that if I were purchasing a 40 series card, I would stay away from the 4080 12G! It's priced too high and many in the tech world say it should be a 4070 card based on the build and performance gains over the 30 series cards.

nVidia has unleashed some pretty sneaky and downright overt price control gimmicks this go around.

If you are looking for "reasonable prices" from nVidia, I think those days are gone.

According to charts, the best bang for your buck would be the 4090, but at $1600!! Performance per dollar wise, the 4090 makes more sense here.

Luckily, my DS rig with a Asus Tuff 3080 is doing just fine. But I will be watching for the benchmarks to come out and am hoping AMD comes close to both Intel Cpus and nVidia Gpus. If they do come close are maybe even run neck and neck, I will definitely dump Intel and nVidia.



Edited by fwfdfireman - 25 Sep 2022 at 11:20am

That's good information about the power supply, hoserator. I've been reading people mentioning potential power draw issues but ATX 3.0 standard may indicate it will be more than that. I'm due for a new desktop soon. The question is, will you need to take out a mortgage for the most of these cards?!

I am mostly interested in how much the prices of the 30xx series of GPUs fall. I would like to get a new computer with a 3080, and if the prices drop enough I might get one

Whoa! That's insanely big.

I haven't laughed at a piece of hardware in.. I have no idea how long. But those pictures actually made me laugh. Thanks for sharing MrCheetah.

Originally posted by fwfdfireman The ATX 3.0 standard is a game changer. There are 4 extra little pins that are used for communication between the GPU and PSU. If the GPU senses everything is fine, it instructs the PSU to send it all the power that it wants, up to the GPUs max wattage. I would have to go back and re-watch those vids and read the articles that explained this much better than I. I do know that there are things with the new cards and ATX 3.0 and the older PSUs that a buyer MUST be informed on. I am sure that DS will have all that knowledge locked down before they ever build a new PC with all this new stuff coming out just around the corner.

the 4090 actually draws less power than the 3090 and is cooler to boot.  the thing with the power cables is that if you don't have all 4 connected you can't get the 33% boost offset in overclocking.  it'll max at 100 in the software, instead of 133% power.  i haven't read anything about existing power supplies being insufficient.  it's their power cables that have an internal IC that interprets the signal from the card via the "side band signals" on the card.  it will determine whether you can draw 450W with 3 cables plugged in or 600W with 4 cables plugged in.  you can't run the card w/o a min of 3 cables, from what i've heard, plugged in.  ea power cable supplies roughly 150W. 

Originally posted by fwfdfireman db188 I just saw Steve at Gamers Nexus video late last night and he was right on that topic about the 3 cable and 4 cable stuff. New info just keeps coming out and is changing all the time. Steve also said that maybe EVGA got out just in time, because nVidia made the 4090 so good and it's cooling is actually great with the FE model, that it left no headroom for 3rd parties to improve upon but would still have to sell them at a slightly higher cost. Still waiting to see what 3rd party cards can do with the 40 series line up.

i think that Nvidia doesn't historically move a lot of the FE cards, so their vendor partners should still be able to do the heavy lifting in sales, but yeah, Nvidia's vast resources and tech innovation have crossed over into the lane of these vendors in their "custom" cooling solutions.  they'll be relying more on marketing tricks and supply to move their card versions more so than in times past, i think.