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Post Date: 2022-09-20

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  Quote tcv21 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Topic: Nvidia 4 series date has been announced
    Posted: 20 Sep 2022 at 10:28am
NVidia RTX 4080 with 12GB starting at $899. 16GB will be $1,199.
RTX 4090  with 24GB starting at $1,599.

Available October 12th
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  Quote fwfdfireman Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Sep 2022 at 9:12am
Saw a video by a great guy. nVidia up to some sneaky marketing tricks with their line-up of the 40 series cards.

I am about done with them. I am personally hoping AMD gets very close if not even/better than nVidia and their Ryzen cpus are just as good. If benchmarks come close to intel and nVidia, then I will be jumping teams. I always buy best bang for the buck and NOT a fanboy of any particular side of the cpu/gpu battle.

Check JayzTwoCents video on YT about nVidia's launch of cards and what you get. The 4080 12 Gig is looking more like a 4070 and yet they are pricing it at the levels of 3080 tier cards in their launch of the 30 series. Something they have done before and caught a bunch of backlash. Buyer beware!
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  Quote Tidgxor Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Sep 2022 at 9:24am
Yeah I am honestly getting pretty unenthusiastic about NVIDIA these days. I haven't owned an AMD (ATI) card since 2005 but I might consider returning to them with my next system.
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  Quote tcv21 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Sep 2022 at 9:31am
There has been a struggle with graphic drivers and associated software with AMD. Have they got that figured out yet?
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  Quote fwfdfireman Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Sep 2022 at 7:17pm
I don't know about any specific driver issues with AMD beyond the normal stuff with a new release of products. Same thing happens with nVidia.

I do know that many years ago, AMD did have problems and driver issues, but since this new CEO took over and steered AMD in the right direction, hiring the right people and actually addressing the issues that concerned gamers, they have been doing an excellent job.

I can't find any negative things on driver issues with AMD in recent history, other than as I said, tweaking of drivers after release of a new product.

Watched several videos today on AMD CPU and GPU comparisons with Intel and nVidia. For the money, you get more from AMD for your hard earned dollars. It seems that is where AMD likes to be positioned. Yeah, you can get a few more frames from a comparable nVidia card, but at a higher price/higher wattage and more heat!

I am looking forward to the benchmarks that will surely come out by the end of the year on all tiers of cards and cpus. IF, as in the past recent iterations from AMD, they get within the 90-95% performance of comparable Intel and nVidia stuff, then it will be a matter of money. I can still NOT see the difference in FPS once over 40-50 fps. So nVidia gives you 140 fps in certain games and AMD gets you 130 fps in the same game BUT you can save some bucks, not pull as much wattage and not as much heat with AMD and NOT tell the difference? It's a no brainer to me.

And like Tidgxor said, I too am tired if nVidia's tactics and tricks they use to control the market and prices. I don't blame EVGA for refusing to make anymore nVidia cards. They got tired of the BS they had to put up with and the rules/constraints they (nVidia) put on all the third party vendors. I would love to see EVGA jump over to AMD and produce some cards for them. :-)

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  Quote Snaike Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Sep 2022 at 8:20pm
Originally posted by fwfdfireman

... I would love to see EVGA jump over to AMD and produce some cards for them. :-)

You gotta know there's some serious "non-compete" language in their past contracts. I don't see EVGA getting back in that saddle for a few years....

I could be wrong and hope I am.. EVGA made some really good cards.
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  Quote fwfdfireman Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Sep 2022 at 11:30pm
You're probably right Snaike on the "non-compete", depends on how contract with nVidia was written. That clause might expire the day EVGA terminated their relationship with nVidia. I am sure EVGA will concentrate on their power supply, as suggested by Jayz and hopefully sink some of their prowess on motherboards. I am sure they have peeps knocking at their doors as we speak. lol
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  Quote fwfdfireman Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Sep 2022 at 6:32am
And to throw in to the conversation some news I read this morning via the market news.

nVidia's stock dropped again, this time 5% after they announced the price of their 40 series cards. This has investors in nVidia stock nervous, hence the drop in their stock prices. The article goes on to explain that Jensen Huang's (CEO of nVidia) stated a thing about Moore's Law being dead and that consumers should NOT expect nVidia's price on cards to drop!

This is not the Moore's Law we think we know. This was started back in the 60's by Gordon Moore, an Intel engineer. Gordon Moore stated back then that "the number of transistors in an integrated circuit roughly doubles every two years, with the result that semiconductors will get both better and cheaper over time." And now Jensen Huang is saying that law is dead?!

What I hear him saying is that he is going to keep prices high regardless.
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  Quote hoserator Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Sep 2022 at 3:35am
I am going to wait for the 50XX series. Perfectly happy with what I have and the waters have been churned a bit. The EVGA gpu teams are bound to end up somewhere and there is some talent there.

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  Quote txfeinbergs Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Sep 2022 at 7:44am
I gave Nvidia $1600 for my 3090 (I am sure EVGA got $50 of that). I refuse to do it again. I am sitting this generation out until prices become more reasonable.
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  Quote fwfdfireman Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Sep 2022 at 11:18am
After watching numerous videos and reading some articles, I can say that if I were purchasing a 40 series card, I would stay away from the 4080 12G! It's priced too high and many in the tech world say it should be a 4070 card based on the build and performance gains over the 30 series cards.

nVidia has unleashed some pretty sneaky and downright overt price control gimmicks this go around.

If you are looking for "reasonable prices" from nVidia, I think those days are gone.

According to charts, the best bang for your buck would be the 4090, but at $1600!! Performance per dollar wise, the 4090 makes more sense here.

Luckily, my DS rig with a Asus Tuff 3080 is doing just fine. But I will be watching for the benchmarks to come out and am hoping AMD comes close to both Intel Cpus and nVidia Gpus. If they do come close are maybe even run neck and neck, I will definitely dump Intel and nVidia.



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  Quote hoserator Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Sep 2022 at 8:54am
+1 as to the 4080. If I wanted a 40XXD series card (which I don't), I would wait for the 4090Ti to come out which usually demotes the next top card (ie.,4090) in price.

I am still in digesting EVGA's abandoning the gpu market. 



There are new articles on some issues cropping up when using a current psu since the new gpus use the new ATX 3.0 standard and it is a bit more complex since it regulates power to the gpu more precisely and the the gpus have separate connectors therefor with their power inputs. It appears that the new cards might need a totally new psu to run properly, if I understood correctly. Something to check before you make the jump to the 40XX cards. 


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  Quote Dax Doomslayer Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: Yesterday at 8:34am
That's good information about the power supply, hoserator. I've been reading people mentioning potential power draw issues but ATX 3.0 standard may indicate it will be more than that. I'm due for a new desktop soon. The question is, will you need to take out a mortgage for the most of these cards?!
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  Quote fwfdfireman Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: Yesterday at 5:16pm
The ATX 3.0 standard is a game changer. There are 4 extra little pins that are used for communication between the GPU and PSU. If the GPU senses everything is fine, it instructs the PSU to send it all the power that it wants, up to the GPUs max wattage.

I would have to go back and re-watch those vids and read the articles that explained this much better than I.

I do know that there are things with the new cards and ATX 3.0 and the older PSUs that a buyer MUST be informed on. I am sure that DS will have all that knowledge locked down before they ever build a new PC with all this new stuff coming out just around the corner.

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I am mostly interested in how much the prices of the 30xx series of GPUs fall. I would like to get a new computer with a 3080, and if the prices drop enough I might get one
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