Nvidia absolutely shredded over 4070ti launch!

As much as I respect GN and do agree these companies have interpreted pandemic pricing to be presumably persistent -- which, of course, it is not -- value is, indeed, subjective.

For example, similar to Jay, I think, if you see the 4070 Ti as performing around a 3090 but at $799 (or somewhat thereabouts), it's not a horrible value comparatively.

JayzTwoCents RTX 4070 Ti Review

Originally posted by db188 oh, and Jay is an Nvidia and Corsair shill

Whether he is or isn't is irrelevant.

While I am disgusted, frustrated, and more about the distancing of wealth/income vs. expenses (for the most of us), I still recognize reality.

Originally posted by db188 you're paying 80 series prices for 70 series cards

I'll be blunt. I am exhausted of this argument.

"I remember when gas was thirty cents."
"When I was a kid, you could get a soda for a nickel."

With capitalism and most other societies, those prices will never happen again. Furthermore, "inflation" is practically a buzz word.

Anyway... back to the root subject...

I mostly agree with Steve's (GN) sentiments: the 4070 Ti is not a good value and represents stagnant progress -- an oxymoron though I am not sure how else to describe it. In other words, this generation's 70 tier is around previous 80 tier pricing but has about 80 tier (sometimes 90 tier) performance. So, not an improved value, but also not a loss in value. However, a lower cost (i.e., about half the price).

Originally posted by Steve If you move the entire gauge, you turn it, and the needle turns. That doesn't mean the needle moves. It means that the whole gauge moved.

Source: RTX 4080 16GB GPU Review & Benchmarks | Gamers Nexus (YouTube)

A third way to describe it, for example:

A gamer misses/skips the RTX 3090 for $1,499. Eventually, the MSRP falls to $999. Now, the gamer can get a GPU generally comparable to the 3090 (though we can say 3080 Ti) for $799.

Ultimately, is it a situation to be reasonably upset about? Yes, but it's also not "the sky is falling!"

P.S. As much as they have valid points, content creators/influencers/YouTubers thrive on drama and the hate train is the easiest to board.
P.P.S. For me, the typical lifespan of a product is 5 - 10 years (e.g., finally purchased an Xbox Series X for Christmas to replace a first generation Xbox One, use an iPhone X with the mentality of possibly replacing it with an iPhone XV/15) despite often ogling at the latest and greatest products.

Edited by MrCheetah - 05 Jan 2023 at 8:15am

Originally posted by fwfdfireman I watched JayZTwoCents video on the 4070. I think his big picture he was trying to get across with the 4070 as an example, is that the GPU pricing scenario has gotten out of hand and the pricing makes no sense anymore. At least that is what I took away from the whole thing.

Yeah. Basically, across the board. Therefore, influencers are ranting about every card and almost every component. So, it's not really the component, but as you say @fwfdfireman, the enthusiastic (gamer) market is overall a horrible value now.

Edited by MrCheetah - 05 Jan 2023 at 11:54am

Originally posted by fwfdfireman I watched JayZTwoCents video on the 4070. I think his big picture he was trying to get across with the 4070 as an example, is that the GPU pricing scenario has gotten out of hand and the pricing makes no sense anymore. At least that is what I took away from the whole thing. I have to agree with him on that aspect. I might have one more custom PC build in a few years, but after that, I think prices will be so high that I will be forced to switch to console gaming.

you can basically buy 2 PS5 consoles for the price of a quasi high-end graphics card these days.  if they keep this up they'll entirely force gamers off the pc platform. 

Good analysis.

My mind boggles at the premium 4K requires and has required all along. I might be doing it wrong, but when I game, I rarely sit back to admire the pretty pictures. My attention is on the events unfolding, the mind games and/or action scenes coming at me. I have been gaming from the earliest representaions in gigantic pixels all the way up to the near photo-realism we have today. Maybe I'm just so satisfied with how realistic everything appears in light of how long that journey has been, that I just don't think more is really...more. I can't justify the expense of hacking out an even smaller pixel at a framerate very few can detect without a side-by-side. db's final sentence is the only thing that makes sense of it to me. "...so spend away!"    

I'll still quite happy at 1080p. Am I able to tell a difference on higher resolutions? Yes but with rapidly diminishing returns. In fact the returns diminish so quickly (for me) that when you factor in the inverse price increase it makes me even more happy at 1080p. Is my mindset for everyone? Absolutely not. But there's also no wrong answer here and my wallet does enjoy the extra money I save. In a lot of ways I'm getting priced out of the hardware market due to stubbornness if not actual lack of funds. But by golly it's my lawn and Nvidia can get off it.