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  Quote Joshua Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Topic: Nvidia GT 300 released in October? Worth the wait?
    Posted: 30 Apr 2009 at 10:34am
Thats what I've heard at least. Will it be more powerful than the 295 GTX? Do you think it would be worth the 6 month wait? I've been wanting to buy a new computer from this website, since I've heard many good things about DSO. I just can't decide if I should wait for the new Nvidia cards or buy my computer now. Whats going on with the new Intel chip? When will that be put out on the market?
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  Quote Hammer Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 30 Apr 2009 at 11:05am
There's always something better comming over the horizon at any given point in time. If you wait to build your computer until October, there will be another new Nvidia card comming out in December. It's just an odd sensation to deal with. Sometimes you have to wait, but other times it might be a better idea to just get what you want now and plan to upgrade 1-2 years from now. Another option could be to get a computer now, but get a cheaper GPU, like a 265, to hold you over and plan to buy a 300 in october rahter than spending alot of money on a 285/295 just to replace it in 6 months.
 
But I did research this a bit and found out that the 300 series card will be based on the 55nm architecture process like 285 and 295. And the Clock of 285/295, it is 602MHz and in the new GTX 300 will ramp it up to 662MHZ - 692MHz. This is very simular to ATI's recent 4870 -> 4890 bump; same hardware with a clock boost to increase performance.
 
What that tells me is that the first 300 will be an increment improvement and not a total overhaul of thier system. The performance difference may not be worth waiting 6 months. The 300 series designator seems to be slightly misleading, eluding to a brand new generation of Nvidia cards. Maybe later 300 series cards will evolve into a new architecture...we'll have to wait and see.
 
It's a hard choice.
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Huuummmm, just in time for the Christmas (season) rush I suppose...  You already know the truth...there's always something bigger/better coming out Next month, Next Qtr, Next year...  If you wait for GT300 in October...maybe, you should wait for "Gulftown" in H1 of 2010?  Then there's OCZ Vertex/SSD's (of all sizes), Windows 7, new cooling systems etc... all on the horizon too.  What's a guy (scratch that...) person to do??  I'm not making light of your question--believe me--I've been w-a-i-t-i-n-g for months for one thing or another--did I mention DST4ME...ditto. 
 
Wish I could be of more help...truth is...I'm so tired of waiting...to the point I'm considering getting something now--and major upgrades in one year.  Or, (even) replace my limping Dell with something (less than what I want...) and get a second machine in one year--the family could easily use two GOOD machines (of course, the biggest/baddest beast would be strickly for me/games--yeah, right, like I could get away with that--not). 
 
Tell you what...I'm sooo confused...let me know what you decide to do...and I'll do the same thing...??  That way I can blame you for not waiting...or if something comes out the month after...or the prices drop...or hell freezes over! 
 
I know what you're thinking...this guy is nuts...and you may be right.  I mean, it's getting soooo that all the posts/pics of new machines just isn't scratching the itch anymore--I need a major FIX...and getting a new machine is the only thing left to do.
 
Take care friend...keep posting...those of us who are waiting want to know what you decide...  Geek   Wink
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  Quote Zardoz8719 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 30 Apr 2009 at 11:23am
Originally posted by Hammer

There's always something better comming over the horizon at any given point in time. If you wait to build your computer until October, there will be another new Nvidia card comming out in December. It's just an odd sensation to deal with. Sometimes you have to wait, but other times it might be a better idea to just get what you want now and plan to upgrade 1-2 years from now. Another option could be to get a computer now, but get a cheaper GPU, like a 265, to hold you over and plan to buy a 300 in october rahter than spending alot of money on a 285/295 just to replace it in 6 months.
 
But I did research this a bit and found out that the 300 series card will be based on the 55nm architecture process like 285 and 295. And the Clock of 285/295, it is 602MHz and in the new GTX 300 will ramp it up to 662MHZ - 692MHz. This is very simular to ATI's recent 4870 -> 4890 bump; same hardware with a clock boost to increase performance.
 
What that tells me is that the first 300 will be an increment improvement and not a total overhaul of thier system. The performance difference may not be worth waiting 6 months. The 300 series designator seems to be slightly misleading, eluding to a brand new generation of Nvidia cards. Maybe later 300 series cards will evolve into a new architecture...we'll have to wait and see.
 
It's a hard choice.
By golly Hammer...we must have been gen'ing up our post replies about the same time--didn't see yours till I hit post reply.  Funny, how similar they are!  You must type faster than me. Embarrassed
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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 30 Apr 2009 at 11:33am
Originally posted by Hammer

There's always something better comming over the horizon at any given point in time. If you wait to build your computer until October, there will be another new Nvidia card comming out in December. It's just an odd sensation to deal with. Sometimes you have to wait, but other times it might be a better idea to just get what you want now and plan to upgrade 1-2 years from now. Another option could be to get a computer now, but get a cheaper GPU, like a 265, to hold you over and plan to buy a 300 in october rahter than spending alot of money on a 285/295 just to replace it in 6 months.
 
But I did research this a bit and found out that the 300 series card will be based on the 55nm architecture process like 285 and 295. And the Clock of 285/295, it is 602MHz and in the new GTX 300 will ramp it up to 662MHZ - 692MHz. This is very simular to ATI's recent 4870 -> 4890 bump; same hardware with a clock boost to increase performance.
 
What that tells me is that the first 300 will be an increment improvement and not a total overhaul of thier system. The performance difference may not be worth waiting 6 months. The 300 series designator seems to be slightly misleading, eluding to a brand new generation of Nvidia cards. Maybe later 300 series cards will evolve into a new architecture...we'll have to wait and see.
 
It's a hard choice.
Where are you getting your info?? The GTX 285 has factory clock speeds over 700Mhz now.. Ati has 40nm graphics card now.. Seems like a no brainer that the 300 series will be 40nm, with ddr5 mem, direct x 11, and other enhancements.. But until they hit the shelves it is all just FUD.
 
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  Quote SunfighterLC Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 30 Apr 2009 at 2:20pm
Hell my GTX 280s run at 717Mhz...lol..
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  Quote Paranoia Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 30 Apr 2009 at 2:35pm
Ya u just never know...No one does..guess its just luck (which i don't have) , my system was outdated in like 6 months but it still does the job.  I think its just best to bite the bullet and order a system if needed because I'm sure the GTX 285/295 will still be nice for years to come.   Like i said no one really knows for sure.
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  Quote issues1975 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 30 Apr 2009 at 3:19pm
From what I've seen speculated, the 300 series is going to be a big jump in processing power and should be on the new 40nm tech with 2GB of GDDR5.
 
Here's a decent article speculating what the new 300 series will be able to do:
 
Possible launch before year's end
 
By Traian Teglet, Technology News Editor
23rd of April 2009, 10:59 GMT
 
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NVIDIA's next-generation graphics processing unit will be known as the GT300 and, according to recently revealed information, will provide users and application developers with a new and different architecture, compared to any solution that is currently available on the market. The GT300 will be launched as the world's first chip to take advantage of MIMD (Multiple-Instruction Multiple Data) architecture, as opposed to current GPUs from both NVIDIA and ATI, which are designed on SIMD (Single-Instruction Multiple Data) units. This change will reportedly enable NVIDIA's next-generation GPU to provide the consumer with a considerable boost in processing power.
 
The chip, expected to be released in a couple of months, is still wrapped under a veil of mystery, as specific details on the frequencies and memory type are yet to be unveiled. However, according to some recent articles on German-language Hardware-Infos and English-language Brightsideofnews, NVIDIA's upcoming GT300 GPU will be using an impressive 512 shader units, organized in sets of 32 cores. However, the real deal about GT300 is that it will be built using cores that rely on MIMD functions, capable of complex shader and computing operations on-the-go.
 
This feature alone is expected to provide NVIDIA's upcoming GPU with double the computing power of the company's current GT200 architecture. In theory, despite no indication on the speeds of the upcoming GT300-based graphics cards, a 2GHz clock speed for the 512MIMD will enable NVIDIA's card to deliver an impressive 3TFLOPS with Single Precision.
 
According to recent details, the new GT300 chip has the potential to impress everybody in the industry with the level of performance it can achieve. However, we still have to wait until we see the first samples of NVIDIA's next-gen GT300, which will most likely be available in the form of the GeForce GTX 380.
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As for waiting it's always a crapshoot. Had I waited to buy my system today (purchased in mid March) I could've gotten 6GB of Mushkin and the 2GB version of the GTX 285 for only $20 more than I paid or instead picked up 2 GTX 275s for only around $75 more.
 
I played the waiting game for 5 months and had I waited 5 more weeks I could've gotten more value.
 
When is the right time to buy?
 
 
Your guess is as good as good as mine... 
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  Quote SunfighterLC Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 30 Apr 2009 at 3:43pm
If you know how to upgrade yourself then anytime is a great time to buy. Especially when you ugrade so much, you end up having a second computer made from the leftovers..haha.
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 30 Apr 2009 at 6:15pm
Some places say the GTX 300 is going to bring almost double the computing power of current cards. but like Justin said, till they actually come out its all hearsay
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  Quote Mezzeron Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 30 Apr 2009 at 9:29pm
here is my question.  I know that the new 300 series will be dx11 compatible cards.  Will the current and older cards be able to run/utilize DX11 games and programs>  Or will it just not be possible.  I am not sure if it is something that has to be built in, or just a software thing.  I hope its software cause im gonna feel real bad about gettin cards for SLi if not usable in less than a year.  On the bright side, most games currently don't even use DX10 as it is, so maybe they will be viable for years to come. 
 
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at some point all this power is going to be useless cus the game makers wont be able to keep u ^_^
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  Quote MyNameisBrian Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 30 Apr 2009 at 10:40pm
I'm waiting for the Gulftown; if the GT300 is out by then, even better! :]
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  Quote SunfighterLC Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 30 Apr 2009 at 11:25pm
Nah, it will be useless because almost all the PC games left will be ports from consoles, and there will always be that one console that drags down the graphics for everybody.
 
In this generation its called the Xbox360.
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  Quote Mezzeron Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 May 2009 at 8:48am
Sooo...as  Iasked above..lol...will DX11 kind of make the new cards now obsolete, or is that just a software thing and nothing to worry about?  I might feel a bit lousy if i SLI cards that cant be used in a year.
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  Quote Zardoz8719 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 May 2009 at 8:58am
Originally posted by MyNameisBrian

I'm waiting for the Gulftown; if the GT300 is out by then, even better! :]
From the buzz going around...GT300 around Oct 2009--Gulftown H1 2010...Cry
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  Quote Hammer Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 May 2009 at 10:01am
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1481070/nvidia_to_launch_nextgen_gtx_300_gcards.html?cat=15
I found my info here Dead
But in any case, everyone is right...until Nvidia actually releases the specs and a product...everything is educated speculation. One site says 55nm, another says 40nm. If this is going to be an evolution, a move to 40nm, I would expect it to do the same thing the first 200 series card, the GTX 260. It will have a modest amount of memory but it will work better than the best cards of the previous generation, but not by leaps and bounds. But who knows, they also might jump straight to a 2GB DDR5 40nm card...but then where would they go after that?
 
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  Quote Kaleliar Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 May 2009 at 1:36pm
Originally posted by Hammer

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1481070/nvidia_to_launch_nextgen_gtx_300_gcards.html?cat=15
I found my info here Dead
But in any case, everyone is right...until Nvidia actually releases the specs and a product...everything is educated speculation. One site says 55nm, another says 40nm. If this is going to be an evolution, a move to 40nm, I would expect it to do the same thing the first 200 series card, the GTX 260. It will have a modest amount of memory but it will work better than the best cards of the previous generation, but not by leaps and bounds. But who knows, they also might jump straight to a 2GB DDR5 40nm card...but then where would they go after that?
 
Who knows?Censored


it would be 4GB cards!!! soon we will have more Vram then system ram!!!
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  Quote Joshua Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 03 May 2009 at 9:34pm
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Huuummmm, just in time for the Christmas (season) rush I suppose...  You already know the truth...there's always something bigger/better coming out Next month, Next Qtr, Next year...  If you wait for GT300 in October...maybe, you should wait for "Gulftown" in H1 of 2010?  Then there's OCZ Vertex/SSD's (of all sizes), Windows 7, new cooling systems etc... all on the horizon too.  What's a guy (scratch that...) person to do??  I'm not making light of your question--believe me--I've been w-a-i-t-i-n-g for months for one thing or another--did I mention DST4ME...ditto. 
 
Wish I could be of more help...truth is...I'm so tired of waiting...to the point I'm considering getting something now--and major upgrades in one year.  Or, (even) replace my limping Dell with something (less than what I want...) and get a second machine in one year--the family could easily use two GOOD machines (of course, the biggest/baddest beast would be strickly for me/games--yeah, right, like I could get away with that--not). 
 
Tell you what...I'm sooo confused...let me know what you decide to do...and I'll do the same thing...??  That way I can blame you for not waiting...or if something comes out the month after...or the prices drop...or hell freezes over! 
 
I know what you're thinking...this guy is nuts...and you may be right.  I mean, it's getting soooo that all the posts/pics of new machines just isn't scratching the itch anymore--I need a major FIX...and getting a new machine is the only thing left to do.
 
Take care friend...keep posting...those of us who are waiting want to know what you decide...  Geek   Wink
Haha, your one funny dude. but yeah, your right. Waiting is a pain in the ass, I am also considering major upgrades in about a year. I decided to go ahead and purchase my system here.  Tickets 276218 went with stage 3 CPU only cooling since that is what the tech support guys told me to do. Took off the oc on the gpu and memory, and got 1600 6gb corsair, since James one of the tech dudes said the performance difference from 2000 to 1600 is hardly noticible,

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you should have gone with a 1333MHz with a 920 anyways you will never notice the difference between 1333MHz and 1600MHz either, it just a waste of money
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