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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Topic: ODE Level 0?
    Posted: 24 Jun 2011 at 7:40pm
What if Digital Storm offered a $999 priced ODE gaming PC. What do you guys think?
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Jun 2011 at 8:44pm
IMHO opinion its great as long as the parts are good, what you guys gonna put in there? 2600k with 560? that would be good if its possible. Maybe a sli mobo for future sli, something low price that can be upgraded little by little.

You should have something like that for people with $1000 budgets.

$1300 worth of stuff for $1000 will mean a lot to $1000 budget people, I've been there, the more quality stuff I can get for my money, the happier and appreciative I am, I'm sure other budget people feel the same.

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  Quote maxyme Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Jun 2011 at 9:50pm
I don't think i can fit $999 in my budget. but on the other hand if it were $998.99 i think i could make it happen
:P good idea alex.
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  Quote Unlicensedhitman Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Jun 2011 at 10:50pm
It can be done with an AMD Phenom II X4 or X6
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  Quote Dragoonseal Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Jun 2011 at 11:40pm
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It can be done with an AMD Phenom II X4 or X6

I hope not. If they could manage to squeeze in an Intel CPU, particularly just about any Sandy Bridge model, the performance would be so significantly better.

A Phenom system for $999 seems like a total waste.
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  Quote Unlicensedhitman Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Jun 2011 at 2:01am
Originally posted by Dragoonseal

Originally posted by Unlicensedhitman

It can be done with an AMD Phenom II X4 or X6

I hope not. If they could manage to squeeze in an Intel CPU, particularly just about any Sandy Bridge model, the performance would be so significantly better.

A Phenom system for $999 seems like a total waste.


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  Quote Roman44 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Jun 2011 at 2:58am
I think it would be pretty sweet to see a 1000 dollar i5 2500k system with the 560 card, although I do wish that at least one of the lower end ODE systems came with the fully unlocked 560ti card instead of the 560.
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  Quote Dragoonseal Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Jun 2011 at 3:48am
Originally posted by Unlicensedhitman

Have  you ever had an AMD Phenom II X4 or X6 system?

Of course not, because I'm actually smart enough to research things beforehand. All the specs and benchmarks are easily available for anyone who wants to compare them.

Phenoms are incredibly inferior CPUs on disgustingly inferior motherboard chipsets, which I would be fine with if they offered better price points so they could be a good cheaper alternative. However as it stands they are just way too expensive for their performance, you can have a better performing budget Intel system for the same price or cheaper.

And don't take this as an anti-AMD thing, I used to be all for AMD systems back in their hay day, but for the last few years their mid and high end systems have just not been competitive, which is unfortunate as it allows Intel to wring out higher prices than they should be.
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  Quote coolmasta Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Jun 2011 at 9:08am
$999 ODE great idea IMO.
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  Quote Invader Mig Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Jun 2011 at 10:05am
Sounds like an awesome idea. My guess would be a 2500k and hopefully a 560, but more likely a 550ti.
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  Quote bprat22 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Jun 2011 at 10:46am
I think that would be a great idea.  Especially in this tough economy and unemployment high and retirees on fixed income, folks might welcome a $1000 rig.
 
Maybe a i5-2500k, even i5-2300 if needed, base p8p67 mobo, gtx 550, a50 cooler, keep oc'ing in the mid to high 3's to reduce heat, base 750w ps, 500G hard drive and 4GB of memory.  Even no oc'ing if price breakpoint warrants and 500W ps. 
 
Lots of people are happy with 1280 res gaming(I have been for years).  Plus, they'd have DS behind them and can brag of having a gaming rig, not the best but better than other ( put name here) pc makers. 
 
This would open you to another market, as long as customer service, burning in before shipping, etc. doesn't suffer.   
   
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  Quote FrankW Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Jun 2011 at 11:35am
Hi Alex,

I think it would be a great way to get new computer gamers into the DS fold. A lot of gamers buy over there budget once they get into the process. So they may come to look at the $999 machine and buy a more expensive model. Good marketing strategy.

You might want to consider another name. No one wants to buy a computer called a zero, or 0-level. Your competitors will say "yea it really is a zero."

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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Jun 2011 at 11:45am
Man I'm asking for 2600K you guys already lowered it to 2500k and 2300k and got forbid amd?

Frank I agree and I don't, if all I had was $1000, and I could get a 2600k and a 560 ti, I could careless what you called it, I would get it.

from a marketing point of view, you are correct however, its not appealing.

I think the zero tho is just a temp name Alex wanted to see feedback on the idea, I doubt they would call it that.

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  Quote ablahblah Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Jun 2011 at 11:51am
A $999 would be a great option IMHO, since there probably exists a bunch of people who want something that has better quality than Dell/HP prebuilts. $1000 is just borderline of a typical mainstream computer, which I'd say is around $850, so that pricing looks great.
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  Quote Invader Mig Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Jun 2011 at 12:44pm
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Frank I agree and I don't, if all I had was $1000, and I could get a 2600k and a 560 ti, I could careless what you called it, I would get it.


The level one is $1500 and has a 2600k and a regular 560, what makes you think you'll get the same processor and a better GPU for $500 less. It would be amazing, but I don't see it happening. If they went with a much cheaper case, non sli mobo and lower end psu, maybe.
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  Quote RiceEatin2000GT Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Jun 2011 at 2:05pm
i think thats a great idea
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Jun 2011 at 2:14pm
It does not hurt to try
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  Quote heritage1550 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Jun 2011 at 3:15pm
Alex, I think an entry level ODE would be a great idea. I would have bought an ODE had it been offered when ya'll built my system. Saying that, my original budget was in the $1k to $1.3k range and I ended up spending close to $2.1k. Sorta lost my mind when I saw all the goodies DS offers. So you'll lose that with this system but as Frankw says it's a great way to get new gamers into the fold. Impress them with this and let them see what's being built on the forums and I'm sure they'll come back for more.
I also agree with Roman44 and DST4ME in that since it's a gaming machine you'll need a decent processor and gpu. Something that can handle the new games coming out like BF3 and Rage(I have a shooter bias).
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  Quote FR3SHM3AT Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Jun 2011 at 5:32pm
I would have to say no.
 
DSO is not a $999.99 PC Kinda Store, thats more for the other guys.
 
I would not put a PC out with ODE Line that doesnt totally kick ass.
 
If they are coming here. They are coming here to get horsepower,
Performance, Ect...
 
Don't do it to your first Born.  The ODE.
 
Just put a 999.99  in the builder area
 
ODE is your baby and shes beasty so don't lesson her.
 
 
LOL  IMO  LOL
 
 
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  Quote Anglis Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Jun 2011 at 2:11pm
I just built their level 0 ODE.  I was able to build a build with the ATI HD 6950 and 2500k with the Corsair 600t, 8 gb ram for the $999 price tag, so they can definitely get some decent quality pieces in there.  If nothing else, the Nvidia GTX 460 is still a great card for a budget builder, and the will have dropped my build down under 900.
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  Quote ablahblah Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Jun 2011 at 5:03pm
Originally posted by heritage1550

Alex, I think an entry level ODE would be a great idea. I would have bought an ODE had it been offered when ya'll built my system. Saying that, my original budget was in the $1k to $1.3k range and I ended up spending close to $2.1k. Sorta lost my mind when I saw all the goodies DS offers. So you'll lose that with this system but as Frankw says it's a great way to get new gamers into the fold. Impress them with this and let them see what's being built on the forums and I'm sure they'll come back for more.
I also agree with Roman44 and DST4ME in that since it's a gaming machine you'll need a decent processor and gpu. Something that can handle the new games coming out like BF3 and Rage(I have a shooter bias).
Good luck with the strategy. Awesome


Yet not all people will want to go into that 2k range when they get a gaming computer, for example, mainstream converts. I smell a new target audience...
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  Quote anjuice360 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Jun 2011 at 5:39pm
That would be a great idea! I have a friend that could fit into that budget :D of course it depends on the parts!
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  Quote Anglis Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Jun 2011 at 6:31pm
Originally posted by FR3SHM3AT

I would have to say no.
 
DSO is not a $999.99 PC Kinda Store, thats more for the other guys.
 
I would not put a PC out with ODE Line that doesnt totally kick ass.
 
If they are coming here. They are coming here to get horsepower,
Performance, Ect...
 
Don't do it to your first Born.  The ODE.
 
Just put a 999.99  in the builder area
 
ODE is your baby and shes beasty so don't lesson her.
 
 
LOL  IMO  LOL
 
 
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I think as a business, it would do good to broaden their horizon a little bit.  It would surely get them more business.  They can still do their same quality builds, but with just cheaper hardware.  Plus, the $999 pricetag will get more people looking.  When they come here, they are liable to spend a few hundred more bucks anyway, especially if they read the forums.  So it's a marketing tool to get people to the website, then the chances of them upping their budget by a few hundred dollars will increase.
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  Quote Liq Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Jun 2011 at 5:38pm
 I would just like to see one with an i5 and GTX 570 option for the same price, maybe a little less than tier 1. I think current tier 1 is too much cpu, and not enough videocard....that or bump current tier 1 up to a 560ti. I have a buddy who is seriously on the fence with one of these systems for BF3 but I'm afraid the regular 560 is gonna kill him.
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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Jun 2011 at 5:55pm
Thank you for the feedback guys. We're going to work on a configuration and hit that price point. It's going to be an Intel/NVIDIA build.
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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Jun 2011 at 6:59pm
Here's what we've been able to work out for a $1,199 system.

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Intel i7 2500K CPU (Unlocked CPU)
8GB 1600MHz Corsair Memory
NVIDIA GTX 550 TI 1GB Video Card
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  Quote Liq Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Jun 2011 at 7:17pm
560ti version for $100 more Cry
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  Quote coolmasta Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Jun 2011 at 7:27pm
How about trade a better gpu for a less expensive case?
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  Quote Dragoonseal Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Jun 2011 at 7:31pm
Can it use the cheaper HAF 922, or does it have to be in the Corsair 600T? (Significantly cheaper via our config options at least, not sure what your guys' margins are like.)

Would 4GB of memory knock down the price much?

Any noticeably cheaper, but still sufficiently performing CPU coolers?
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  Quote Invader Mig Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Jun 2011 at 8:03pm
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Can it use the cheaper HAF 922, or does it have to be in the Corsair
600T? (Significantly cheaper via our config options at least, not sure
what your guys' margins are like.)

Would 4GB of memory knock down the price much?

Any noticeably cheaper, but still sufficiently performing CPU coolers?




Pretty much hit the nail on the head. Perhaps knocking down the case to a 922 would be a better option. The 600T white is a rather extravagant case for a budget build. For $1200 the 550ti is a pretty low performing card. Dropping down the case, and perhaps going with 4gigs of ram would allow for a 560.
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Jun 2011 at 4:56am
I agree with the guys too, haf 922 and 560/560 ti are much better combo for the customer.

I think we are all looking for a build here that has at least 2500k and 560, good cpu cooler, case ram and etc can all be upgraded later by the user.
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  Quote bprat22 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Jun 2011 at 6:43am
I agree that a cheaper case with better gpu, 560 line, would be better performing and pull in the more heavy gamers.
 
However, DS I think is looking at the pretty 600t white as drawing alot of people in.  I like the 922 just as much if not more, but, looks wise, they'll get more hits with the 600t with gtx 550 tha 922 with gtx 560.  Lots of people will game just fine at 1280 resolution or maybe more and be happy as a pig in ......mud.
 
Either way the $1199 rig will hurt the competition.
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Jun 2011 at 7:07am
Well looks have nothing to do with performance, and I think when you have a low budget like that, you turn into a smart shopper real quick, cause you have no choice, you need to get the best bang for the buck.

In short I agree very much that aesthetics go very far in marketing, (unfortunately people still buy based on looks then performance), for a budget buyer the 922 with better gpu will be the choice.

IMHO they will sell more 922 + 2500K + 560, than they will sell 600t + 2500K + 550ti.

as a matter of fact DS should offer those and see after a month or two, what kinda of shoppers they have, that will answer their question of which combo for a fact.

And we can see if we have smart shoppers or people that buy the red car, cause it was red. lol.

As for competition goes, in all honesty, I don't see why benz would need to compete with ikea, cause right now I don't see any place that has the combo DS has (Alex, DS customer service, quality, tech, etc.).

I think its cool of DS to put this build out there to help low budget users, and make little less money, but still make money, they will become famous much faster also IMHO.

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  Quote Liq Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Jun 2011 at 7:08am
 I wouldn't drop ram down to 4 gig, nor would I include a 550 just for the sake of trying to hit some price point. When you start just throwing in anything it stops becoming a gaming system and is no different than buying an HP machine at Bestbuy for $400.

 How is a 2500k, 560ti machine with 8 gig ram not possible for $1200, or even closer to $1300? There are plenty of other places you could shave some money off, such as using a 500gb WD black HD instead of that cringeworthy Seagate, and doing the level 1 overclock in place of the level 2. Maybe even use the Asetek cooler, or a50 instead of the corsair or a70.

 
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 28 Jun 2011 at 7:13am
Well 4GB for most games now indays is fine and its something that can be upgraded easy.

most people don't/won't upgrade their cpu cooling/mobo/cpu, so we want these to be the high performance parts, the HDD can be whatever IMHO that can be cheaply upgraded too, I think the price point here is suppose to be a $1000, but it over shot by $200.

I do agree with some of your points and like you at the end I do want the stuff you said, but not the asetek or a50, there is no way I would recommend those to anybody.

I think at the end we all want something like this:

haf 922
Intel i7 2500K CPU (Unlocked CPU)
8GB 1600MHz Corsair Memory
NVIDIA GTX 560 1GB Video Card
Asus P8P67 LE Motherboard/--- or something cheaper
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