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    Posted: 30 May 2011 at 11:21pm
I'm pretty set on ordering the Level 2 Ode. However, I've read terrible reviews on the Sabertooth MoBo on newegg and amazon. Sure there are some people that rave about it, but a lot of users have terrible issues with it. I was curious if anybody has had any issues with it in a DS rig. I know they stress test them and everything, so I'm not really worried. Just a little curious.

EDIT: Also, I'm not the biggest fan of the H60 CPU cooler. Does anybody have any other suggestions?

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When you buy the motherboard or any other PC part on Newegg, Amazon, or where ever, if you have issues with the motherboard or any other PC part, you will need to deal with it yourself and RMA for a new one or ignore the issue(s) and keep using it.

With DS, they eliminate this troublesome process and if, there is an issue with the motherboard, they can replace it and test it before they ship you the final product.
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True, but the reason for RMAing in the first place isn't always that it's just DOA. Sometimes people down the road realize memory clocks are terribly off.

I just ask this because I'm currently stationed overseas with the US Air Force in England, and RMAing anything is a HUGE pain in the ass.

Just curious if anybody had any issues down the line with the Sabertooth in ANY of the Digital Storm builds. Not talking down about them, I've always heard good things and the Level 2 is one hell of a deal.
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If you're going with the ODE configuration, you cannot change any part out. It's a prebuilt system, once you order, they stress test it.. then ship it off.
 
Also, dont take reviews on newegg to seriously. There are what? roughly about 20 negative reviews? Most are DOA... so if the sabertooth motherboard sells about 200,000... 20 people complained about a faulty mobo?


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I'm not a big fan of sabertooth or h60 either.

to be honest the z68 vpro is looking good to me for price/performance, and I like the Noctua NH-U12P, Noctua D14 and corsair a70, they will all give better performance then the H60.

also as mentioned you can't change anything on the ode.

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Well here's the thing, even though you're stationed overseas.. its a benefit and maybe a hassle to have DS build it and ship it. Let's say you buy a complete build off newegg, you get the entire order.. and you have a faulty GPU, and and faulty PSU. Now you have to ship both of these back, go through RMA process through newegg, have them ship it back to you. DS does this work for you, they build/stress test, anything is faulty they replace it. Now later down the road if something happens to fail.. yes that would suck. Most likely you'll have to ship the system back to them. But thats the price you pay for being military and being stationed overseas... it sucks..
 
I'm stationed in Japan, so i know how you're feeling.
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From, what I've realized there arent many solid motherboards for p67 yet. Mine sucks and from newegg reviews the sabertooth doesn't look much better. I would hope when evga releases their mobo for p67 ds will use it as evga in general is a more trusted plus the sabertooth is actually more expensive and I dont like the idea of covering the internals with "thermal armor". But the sabertooth should be fine if you dont mess with ocing it or changing it around too much.
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I understand that the ODE cannot be changed before ordering. I was looking to upgrade the CPU cooling after I recieve it since I don't really like the H60, it performs as well as a good Air Cooled CPU and you expect much better results out of a liquid system.

So... does this mean that I cannot change any components and retain my warranty? I haven't really looked into that. I was going to look deeper when I got to work.
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I see why they made the lclc move because installing a heatsink is a pain and you dont know how many times.ive cut myself on mine lol. Also its really big and bulky while this can be partially hidden. The warrenty stays on items from ds, so if the cpu overheats and u changed the cooler, no warenty on that bc its ur fault.
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I was looking at one of the Zalman Ball series CPU coolers. I just built a friend a PC and used the same one and it's amazing to see an air cooler work so effeciently.

This is the one I was looking at.
 
 
@ironmb: Yeah, it would be a pain to ship the entire thing back. But I only have a year left here and then it's back stateside. So, I won't be here much longer. And this way, if I have one receipt for my computer, it makes it easier for me to file a claim with TMO when they break my stuff when they pack it up and ship it over the Atlantic, so then they can just buy me a new one if all else fails. Haha.
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You can't even compare noctua or a70 with the zalman, noctua and a70 are on a different level.

on a regular build from DS you can upgrade parts and warranty stays on teh res of the system, I'm not sure if that will hold for ode, its best you double check that.

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Oh snap! The Corsair a70 has the copper heatpipes contact on the CPU itself, when I looked at it earlier it looked like a normal full alluminum base with the pipes running through. Hmm... push and pull is always nice. I'll have to look into it.
 
From what I've seen in regards to the warranty, there's only one posted on the site. I think it applies to all builds purchased from DS. That is, if I change something and a related part fails, then that equip is no longer covered.
 
Not too worried about changing the cooler, as changing the h60 out will be doing the system a favor. :)


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If you dont want the H60 cooler, might as well just go with a custom build... No point in trying to pursuade DS that its a terrible cooler when its not.
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Originally posted by Bkral

Oh snap! The Corsair a70 has the copper heatpipes contact on the CPU itself, when I looked at it earlier it looked like a normal full alluminum base with the pipes running through. Hmm... push and pull is always nice. I'll have to look into it.
 

From what I've seen in regards to the warranty, there's only one posted on the site. I think it applies to all builds purchased from DS. That is, if I change something and a related part fails, then that equip is no longer covered.

 

Not too worried about changing the cooler, as changing the h60 out will be doing the system a favor. :)


LOL I agree if you don't push the oc high I don't see anything bad coming from it.

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Originally posted by ironmb

If you dont want the H60 cooler, might as well just go with a custom build... No point in trying to pursuade DS that its a terrible cooler when its not.
 
It's not a "terrible" cooler. It's just not reliable. And you end up paying a lot more if you go with a custom build then with the ODE, since I want the Corsair 600T in White anyways. The cooler is literally the only thing I would change out of the box on the build. Other than that this is one of the best deals for a SLi GPU + 2600K built system, with in-house stress-tests and OCing. It's REALLY hard to beat.
 
EDIT: After building the same computer with the ONLY difference being that I chose a better cooler in the custom build, it came out to $500-$700 more expensive from the SAME company.
 
The ODE is a better deal since they are mass made and the guy building them is mindlessly building the same PC all day and can crank them out like nobody's business (except in this case, it IS his business. :P ).
 
When I can get the ODE level 2 and just put a $50 cooler in it that will outperform the H60.
 
All I'm saying.


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In regards to why Digital Storm uses the H60 over a better air cooler I would say it probably boils down to one of these reasons, or both:

1) It's a volume issue. Digital Storm probably has an easier time purchasing mass quantities of the H60 versus air coolers, and they probably get great bulk discounts on doing so as well to help push the price of the ODE down.

And/or

2) If the number of Newegg reviews on the H50, H60, and H70 are any indication, they sell head-slappingly well. Average people see "Corsair" and "Liquid Cooling" and just instantly think "omg omg must have" and buy it with little to no research, they don't realize that there are air coolers that perform better, cost less, are more reliable, and remove the chance of a liquid leak.
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Yeah, that's what I figured. And unless I'm looking to OC the crap out of a rig, I'd like to stay away from liquid cooling. Just one last thing to worry about.
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Originally posted by Bkral

Originally posted by ironmb

If you dont want the H60 cooler, might as well just go with a custom build... No point in trying to pursuade DS that its a terrible cooler when its not.
 
It's not a "terrible" cooler. It's just not reliable. And you end up paying a lot more if you go with a custom build then with the ODE, since I want the Corsair 600T in White anyways. The cooler is literally the only thing I would change out of the box on the build. Other than that this is one of the best deals for a SLi GPU + 2600K built system, with in-house stress-tests and OCing. It's REALLY hard to beat.
 
EDIT: After building the same computer with the ONLY difference being that I chose a better cooler in the custom build, it came out to $500-$700 more expensive from the SAME company.
 
The ODE is a better deal since they are mass made and the guy building them is mindlessly building the same PC all day and can crank them out like nobody's business (except in this case, it IS his business. :P ).
 
When I can get the ODE level 2 and just put a $50 cooler in it that will outperform the H60.
 
All I'm saying.
 
This has been discussed numerous times.. and you're not the first. The ODE is the BEST BANG FOR YOUR BUCK, because it is a prebuilt system that is ready to ship after stress testing is done. I highly doubt you're doing anything remotely close to stressing the crap out of your CPU other than gaming. If you hate the cooler they chose to go with so bad, put a new one in yourself. You'll just void the warranty.
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Changing the cpu cooler won't void the warranty, but if the cpu gets damaged because of the cpu cooler for whatever reason, then the cpu will not be covered under warranty.

also I would change the psu and the cpu cooler, but other then that, everything else is pretty awesome

the warranty is only for 1 year anyways as far as parts go.

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Originally posted by maxyme

From, what I've realized there arent many solid motherboards for p67 yet. Mine sucks and from newegg reviews the sabertooth doesn't look much better. I would hope when evga releases their mobo for p67 ds will use it as evga in general is a more trusted plus the sabertooth is actually more expensive and I dont like the idea of covering the internals with "thermal armor". But the sabertooth should be fine if you dont mess with ocing it or changing it around too much.


What I don't quite understand is that aren't EVGA's P67 mobos already available directly from them...?
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Originally posted by maxyme

From, what I've realized there arent many solid motherboards for p67 yet. Mine sucks and from newegg reviews the sabertooth doesn't look much better. I would hope when evga releases their mobo for p67 ds will use it as evga in general is a more trusted plus the sabertooth is actually more expensive and I dont like the idea of covering the internals with "thermal armor". But the sabertooth should be fine if you dont mess with ocing it or changing it around too much.


What I don't quite understand is that aren't EVGA's P67 mobos already available directly from them...?
 
Yeah, they're available.
 
 
Sucks the FTW wont fit in the 600T. :\
 
 
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Well I figured there either out or coming out soon
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Thanks for bring this thread back to it's original topic. Haha.

Yeah... sort of trying to resist ordering the P67 SLI...
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What's wrong with P67 SLi?
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Nothing's wrong with it. $199 directly from EVGA. Just should wait on the purchase is all, I should at least. Heh
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All of the hardware that we offer in the ODE are top brand name components. If there were any issues with any aspect of the build, we would have never offered the configuration in the first place. Especially when the ODE is a hot-selling item and that we have a warranty behind it as well.

There are always going to be reviews about every component having issues. This is very true for hot selling items, as more people may end up having an issue and vent their frustration with a bad component review.

The Corsair H60 cooler is an excellent cooler for the price, and we wanted to offer the best configuration at a target price that delivered great performance without breaking the bank.

I hope that helps clarify any concerns.
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They are available...

http://www.evga.com/articles/00604/

EVGA P67 FTW
http://www.evga.com/products/moreinfo.asp?pn=160-SB-E679-KR

EVGA P67 SLI
http://www.evga.com/products/moreinfo.asp?pn=130-SB-E675-KR

It's the top one that's not available.
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lol amazon says it ships within 2-3 months... great...
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lol amazon says it ships within 2-3 months... great...


Why not just order it from EVGA?
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oh i know i was just looking at that and found it interesting. as long as my msi bios partially works thats good enough for me.
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The evga has a lower pwn, thats is the only thing I did not like.

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from all reputable websites they all have pretty good things to say about the sabertooth. The one negative thing is the gimmicky shield over it.

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yea. making it freaking hard as hell to take out the cmos ect.
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yea. making it freaking hard as hell to take out the cmos ect.
 
Yeah. From what I've read, you have to pretty much disassemble everything, including the heatsink on the CPU. :\
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Also, I was actually curious about the IO on the Sabertooth. In the review on guru3d.com, they state that only the 2 USB3 at rear are available. So in the ODE, does DS use a PCI controller to get those 2 USB3 connections on the top of the 600T case itself?

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