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    Posted: 13 Dec 2007 at 3:25pm
Considering this setup:

Copy of Specifications:
Case: Digital Storm Twister PRO (Black Anodized Aluminum Finish)
Power Supply: 620W Corsair HX (Dual SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition)
Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.4GHz (1066MHz FSB) (8MB Cache)
Motherboard: nVidia 680i LT Core 2 Quad (By: eVGA) (nForce 680i SLI)
Memory: 2GB DDR2 Corsair at 800MHz Dominator (Dual Channel) (High-Performance)
Floppy / Card: - No Thanks
Hard Drive 1: 160GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
Hard Drive 2: 160GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
Raid Option: Setup hard drive 1 and 2 in a Raid 0 Stripe (Read and Write Performance Boost)
Hard Drive 3: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Network Card: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: nVidia GeForce 8800GT 512MB (By: eVGA) (PCI-Express)
TV Tuner: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Motherboard Multi-Channel High Definition Audio (7.1 Channel)
Physics Card: - No Thanks
Cooling: Air Cooled Stage 2 (Silent Artic Cooling Heat-sink (Copper Heatpipes)
Case Lighting: Blizzard Internal Lighting (Blue Edition) (Cold Cathode Tubes)
Round Cables: - No Thanks
User Manual: Personalized Platinum Digital Storm Binder (Includes Paperwork/Benchmarks/CDs/Manuals)
Overclock Processor: Yes, Overclock the processor as much as possible with complete stability
Overclock Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Overclock Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory

- What clock speed would be reasonable to expect DS to get the processor to? (I realize this is a difficult question to answer because some processors can be pushed further than others). What about with an e6850? (I'm torn between dual and quad right now heh)

- What is the difference between the 680i mobo and the A1 revision? Can I expect a significantly higher OC with an A1 mobo?

- Will this setup be bottlenecked with 800 mhz ram?

- Is onboard sound going to affect performance in other areas? (I will basically only be using headphones with this PC)

Much thanks in advance!
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You can expect a ~3GHz overclock with a Q6600 and a ~3.6GHz with a E6850.

The setup won't be bottlenecked by the ram.

On board sound will not affect performance.
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What skyR said, plus....
 
The Rev. A1 board does make a difference. I believe it has more control options in the BIOS, and it has better chip set cooling.


Edited by Bill the Cat - 13 Dec 2007 at 3:35pm
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they got my E6850 to 3.5 .
 
I have ultra case and stage 2 cooling 1066mhz 2gb ram
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My specs are below
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat

What skyR said, plus....
 

The Rev. A1 board does make a difference. I believe it has more control options in the BIOS, and it has better chip set cooling.
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=> yeah, you're right, but there is one more difference... The 680i A1 supports Tri-SLI(3-way SLI), and the 680i LT T1 supports only Dual SLI(2-way SLI).

The pictures below here are 680i A1 Motherboard.







Edited by Kenny - 14 Dec 2007 at 11:08am
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I submitted my config to customer service for comments.  I was going with the Pro case and the Q6600, and here was the relevant part of the reply:
 
Ticket Number: 100051
"... Also, you would be better off getting an Ultra or Extreme case for ventillation.  We are finding that the pro case isn't allowing proper airflow and causing instability issues when we try to OC.  So either upgrade the case or don't oc the CPU ..."
 
The problem for me was that is is over a $200 upsell just on the case, so I decided to just drop to the LT mobo, regular cooling, pretty much everything else that I'd be doing to OC.
 
I'd check with them BEFORE buying in order to find out what they expect to be able to do with respect to OCing in the Pro case.
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Thanks for the heads up!
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Posts: 1150 		  Quote Bill the Cat Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 14 Dec 2007 at 9:24pm
Originally posted by RecklessFable

 
The problem for me was that is is over a $200 upsell just on the case, so I decided to just drop to the LT mobo, regular cooling, pretty much everything else that I'd be doing to OC.
 
I went through a similar experience. I don't mean to bad mouth the PRO case, but it is a tight space to install a heat producing  8800 series card. The Extreme case I wound up with  is an impressive hunk of iron. With only the stock fans, the 3.6 GHz the CPU runs in the low 50s C under 100% load.
 
DSO didn't say they wouldn't or couldn't build the system you want, only that you may not be happy with the result. It's still your choice. Without the overclocking, the PRO based system is still going to be damn fast.


Edited by Bill the Cat - 14 Dec 2007 at 9:28pm
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There are other ways to fix the Pro Case's lack of airflow, but it's a bit of a pain.

It can be dealt with for a little over $50 in fans and some time invested. Currently, I have 1 vga slot fan set to draw air in under my GPU, a second slot fan to draw air off the top of my GPU, and an HDD cooler installed in one of my 5.25" drive bays. I have also modified a drive bay cover to allow for additional air flow by milling away the center and placing a piece of mesh over the opening. My B3 stepping Q6600 is idling at 36C on the CPU at a 22C ambient, and hovers around a 38C idle when it's 24C in the room, so I feel fairly safe in calling that a 14C rise. Temps under load stay under 44C on the CPU, and under 55C on the Cores. So it is possible to tame the beast.
 
I think if DSO were to offer to install a second front mounted 120mm fan in 3 empty 5.25" bays (customer would be limited to 1 DVD drive), the problem would be close to, if not entirely solved. There would still be the matter of expelling the hot air, but tbh, I think the majority of the Pro case's air flow problem comes from the way the intake fan is mounted. I contacted Silverstone about it, and they expressed complete shock that the case was not able to cool my components adequately, but also offered up no solutions, other than to say they liked the HDD cooler idea.Ermm
 
The addition of the slot coolers was to combat what I believed was an overheating GPU. Oblivion would lock up after playing for more than 2 hours. Installed the slot coolers, and the lockups stopped, so I would say that was the problem. A side effect of this installation was I dropped another 2C from my CPU temps Big%20smile.


Edited by Tyler Lowe - 14 Dec 2007 at 11:26pm
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Originally posted by Tyler Lowe

 
I think if DSO were to offer to install a second front mounted 120mm fan in 3 empty 5.25" bays (customer would be limited to 1 DVD drive), the problem would be close to, if not entirely solved.


Essentially what I requested with my order, hopefully the fan will help.
Pro case with extra fan
Quad Q6600 2.4 OC'd 3.1!
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Does anyone know if the pro case is having heating/overclocking issues when it has an E6850 instead of a q6600 installed?

I basically play mmos and some RTS games, and don't touch  FPS games.  Because of this I figure I'll be safe for the next 3 years or so with a dual core processor instead of a quad.  Opinions?

Thanks for all the help everyone!
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The guys at DSO, who build all these machines, know. You're not dealing with the evil empire here.... Call'em up and have a discussion.
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Originally posted by mrausche

Does anyone know if the pro case is having heating/overclocking issues when it has an E6850 instead of a q6600 installed?

I basically play mmos and some RTS games, and don't touch  FPS games.  Because of this I figure I'll be safe for the next 3 years or so with a dual core processor instead of a quad.  Opinions?

Thanks for all the help everyone!



The Q6600 gives off more heat than a E6850 so no it wouldn't have heat issues.

Depends.. if you just run the game and nothing else than a duo would be a good choice. I usually have a lot of stuff opened when playing an MMO so I would get the quad.
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Originally posted by EdH63

My specs are below
 
I got my E6600 to 3.15GHz no problem (except figuring out how to do it).
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I was just a little annoyed that they offer the option to OC for a price, but when you check, the recommend against it. 
 
I doubt I'll even pin the processor(s) any time soon though, and if I do, it'll be my new experiment to OC it. 
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