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Post Date: 2008-07-03

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  Quote ArmourBrad Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Topic: Overclocking and Future Proofing
    Posted: 03 Jul 2008 at 10:07am
I know that to combat damaging your cpu/mem/etc when you overclock you have to keep it hella cool.
 
Still, I've read that OC'ing your stuff can reduce its lifespan, which is bad.
 
Also, DSO does cover its' clocked parts, which is good.
 
So lets take this example,
 
quadcore 2.6, oc'd, and 4g ddr3 1333mhz oc'd.
air cooled stage 3
 
what kind of benefits (on avg. i understand oc'ing is a crapshoot) could I expect vs. the potential for frying the stuff.
 
 
Also, side note, what would be the difference/benefits between quads at 2.6 and 2.83
or between those and the extremes 3.0 and 3.2. 
 
The price is soooo different, is it worth the extra or are we already in outer space and starting at 3.0g is overkill?
 
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  Quote Kliebor2 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 03 Jul 2008 at 10:31am
Overclocking is a game I stay out of personally.

As to its merits I considered it when I ordered from DSO because they still have their warranty. I read up alot on it, including in the forums here and decided based on many people's experiences I was unwilling to try.

I heard a lot of complaints both here and the web in general about running on the hot side, and graphic tearing and other glitches, spontaneous reboots and other issues. To me solid stability is more important than getting 2 or 3 more FPS. I ordered good hardware with solid performance and left it at hardware spec. for 3 grand I have a system that whoops Age of Conan with ease, I score 70 FPS with details at high, I am very happy with that, it is smooth as silk and plays like a dream.

I also use my PC for editing home movies, photo correcting digital snapshots, putting together slide shows with music for my family, all kinds of tasks where a crash mid work would possibly result in a tragedy from my standpoint if I lost extensive work I could not easily replace.

If you want to just scream in the latest games and don't mind some crashes or other oddness overclocking might be more suited for you, I hate uncertainty of that kind so I could not bring myself to over clock.

I think the performance gains while they can be quite noticeable, for my personal desires and needs were not that important.

As far as the 9450 vs 9550, 9450 seems to be the choice of champions especially if you plan to overclock as the extra cost for the 9550 chip is not worth it.

The extreme versions are far more expensive and have the benefit of an unlocked clock multiplier giving you better overclocking flexibility, in my mind, since I was not overclocking, it was not top of my list, plus they were way outside of my price range.

All opinion, I know, but it is all I have on this subject, but it is the thought process I went through making my decision on the same subject.

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Edited by Kliebor2 - 03 Jul 2008 at 10:32am
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  Quote Kliebor2 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 03 Jul 2008 at 11:55am
Opinions at odds... oh my goodness... the horror :)
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  Quote Tyler Lowe Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 03 Jul 2008 at 1:13pm
It is possible to increase the clock speed on most CPU now without exceeding either voltage or temperatue levels specified by the manufacturer. The manufacturer in essense "overclocks" the higher end chips that it sells, right at the factory. If it is done responsibly, there is negligible risk from overclocking. My chip started life at 2.4GHz. I am running it at 3.15GHz, and my temperatures and voltages are all within what Intel specifies for safe operation. Given the fact that I would have to have spent in excess of $1000 for the CPU alone to have achieved similar performance without overclocking, I think it's very much worth whatever very small risks to the CPU you might be causing. This CPU probably would have gone for longer than 10 years if I left it stock. If the changes I have made kill it in 8 instead, that's several years longer than I had planned on staying with this system anyway.
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  Quote Bismark Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 03 Jul 2008 at 1:32pm
One of the huge selling points in going with a DS system is the warrantied overclocking. Also what Tyler said is absolutely correct. I work in construction and todays standard in everything are to overbuild for safety. If somthing is rated for 10,000 pounds it will most likely accept 15,000 and underated for safety of the consumer and the company. I say OC it and feel confident that you have a 3 year warranty.
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  Quote Kliebor2 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 03 Jul 2008 at 1:34pm
My primary reasons were not hardware longevity.

Mine were several users here having to turn off DSO rigged over clocking to get a stable boot in games, problems where people had issues with random restarts that ended up being solved by shutting off overclocking and either sending it back, or setting a less aggressive overclock on their own.

I just saw no need for that headache. and as I said, I spent what I consider a reasonable amount for a gaming rig, which at production clockings screams.

I will not argue that in the right hands and with a level of knowledge of internals and how overclocking works that I just do not have, overclocking could quite possibly be wonderful.

I will also say if one of you over clocker extraordinaire cares to take me on a whirlwind tour of what overclocking is and how it works, I would not mind learning, just at the time and currently, I do not feel comfortable with it at all


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Edited by Kliebor2 - 03 Jul 2008 at 1:40pm
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  Quote ArmourBrad Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 03 Jul 2008 at 2:06pm
I appreciate the input.
 
Right now I'm looking for a mix between maximum game domination with minimum headache and hassle.  Perhaps a less aggressive OC would be best but I am looking to have my rig be relavent for at least 2-3 years before the thought of upgrading seems necessary.
 
Also, I know plenty about computers, but about the guts and bios and temps and front side busses, that's where i get off.  So I wouldn't be able to fix/change anything on my own (safely). So here, I wouldn't want to risk anything. That said It sounds like oc'ing might be the way go.
 
Any recommendations for (DSO) processors that lend well to OCing. I'm on a 3000-3500 budget.
 
Also, another side note, what's a good gaming headset, speakers pffft.


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  Quote skyR Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 03 Jul 2008 at 2:11pm
Any recommendations for (DSO) processors that lend well to OCing. I'm on a 3000-3500 budget.
The Q9450.
 
Also, another side note, what's a good gaming headset, speakers pffft.
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  Quote Kliebor2 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 03 Jul 2008 at 2:39pm
Yes, so true Harley, I was just offering my opinion as the question was asked, and I have never been one to leave anyone without the joy of a piece of my mind. :)

I do not say I am right, I do say it is right for me however, that is why I described my thought process and gave as much info as I could to explain why I felt it best not to over clock. I never expect anyone to take my advice as gospel.

I just offer my insight, let people decide for themselves.

best I can do.

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  Quote widdlecat Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 05 Jul 2008 at 3:12am
I stand by what Tyler says. Still, OC'ing is much like tuning a car for performance. That's why some cpus oc much better than others. Also, as with car engines, some cpus can be tuned with higher performance than others of the same model. If you wanna oc, and are not sure of whether or not it's for you, let DSO do it for you. Bear in mind, if you do that, you should invest in a good cooling system to make it worth the effort.

P.S. Regarding your gaming headphones... do you require standard headphones or do you need a mic too? If you don't need a mic, I can offer various recommendations from a music reproduction standpoint as I have reviewed around 30 different headphones in magazines.
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  Quote ArmourBrad Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 05 Jul 2008 at 7:50am
I really don't care one way or the other about a Mic.

I will be using ventrillo or teamspeak, but not as consistently as to require a mic for gaming.

I do love music, I do some editing and recording and whatnot but I have a sort of audio setup for that with my laptop. For my rig, It's more of a "put the computer desk in a nice little nook by a window and out of the way" (pics to be posted once I order)

So...I need a gaming headset. Some light reading reveals that gaming headsets keep frags, bangs and booms in mind. And leave the music stuff to bose.

That said, I do have a little desk mounted mic which works great but a headset with mic would be nice too.

you tell me

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  Quote !ender_ Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 05 Jul 2008 at 9:42am
if youre looking for a gaming headset, icemat is all youll ever need.
 
as far as overclocking, the risk isnt near as bad as some paint it. putting a reasonable, (key word here, reasonable) overclock on your machine is simply a way to get much more power out of your hardware. Pushing it to the extreme limit will do little more than reduce the lifespan and produce too much heat. getting a nice comfortable increase is basically just free power.
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