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Post Date: 2007-10-22

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  Quote PoppaWedge Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Topic: Please review - comments appreciated
    Posted: 22 Oct 2007 at 9:42pm
Hi there,
Would appreciate some comments on this build. I have a couple of questions regarding it (which came in right under $2,700):
  • Overall, what are your thoughts?
  • What is Stage 3 Air cooling? When configuring the system, the "click here for more info" link only details stage 2.
  • I'm going with a single Ultra 8800 GTX with the thought to add another in SLI later when the price comes down.
  • When I go SLI later with 2 Ultras, will the Stage 3 air cooling be enough?
  • I thought I read somewhere that Vista is handling sound on board and the Creative sound cards weren't going to add much. Is it worth getting a sound card with Vista?

Thanks in advance. Specs below.

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Case: Digital Storm Twister PRO (Black Anodized Aluminum Finish)
Power Supply: 1000W Thermaltake (8800 GTX SLI Compatible) (Silent Toughpower Edition)
Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.4GHz (1066MHz FSB) (8MB Cache)
Motherboard: nVidia 680i LT Core 2 Quad (By: eVGA) (nForce 680i SLI)
Memory: 2GB DDR2 Corsair at 800MHz XMS2 (Dual Channel) (Extreme-Performance)
Floppy / Media: - No Thanks
Hard Drive 1: 320GB (Western Digital / Seagate) (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
Hard Drive 2: 320GB (Western Digital / Seagate) (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
Raid Option: Setup my two hard drives in a Raid 0 Stripe (Read and Write Performance Boost)
Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Network Card: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Modem: - No Thanks
Video Card: nVidia GeForce 8800ULTRA 768MB (By: eVGA / Asus) (PCI-Express)
TV Tuner: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Creative Labs Sound Blaster X-Fi Fatal1ty FPS (Up to 7.1 Channel) (Includes I/O Unit)
Physics Card: - No Thanks
Cooling: Air Cooled Stage 3 (Silent Artic Cooling (TwisterBoost Overclocked)
Case Lighting: - No Thanks
Round Cables: - No Thanks
User Manual: Personalized Platinum Digital Storm Binder (Includes Paperwork/Benchmarks/CDs/Manuals)
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
LCD Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: Microsoft Multimedia Desktop 2.0 (Multimedia Keyboard + Optical Wheel Mouse)
Mouse: - No Thanks my keyboard comes with a mouse
Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty
Support: Lifetime Toll-Free Platinum Care Technical Support
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  Quote gdhart Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Oct 2007 at 10:04pm
The Difference between Stage 2 Air Cooling and Stage 3 Air Cooling is that Digital Storm will over clock your CPU.  With the Q6600 it will OC to between 2.7 and 3.0 GHz.    To get a better chance at a higher over clock you should go with the A1 revision Mother Board.
 
The Air cooling is only for the CPU not the Video cards.  You've selected a powerful enough Power Supply to handle the second card when you add it.
 
The one thing you should consider is that with the Pro case and either a 8800 GTX or Ultra the Video card is to long and to fit it in the case they have to remove the bottom internal 4 x 3.5" drive bay cage.
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  Quote skyR Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Oct 2007 at 10:12pm
I would recommend downgrading to a 850W PSU since a single Ultra only uses a maximum of 175 watts. Having a big PSU is not always a good thing since it could lead to a higher electricity bill.

If you are worried about your system getting too hot, you should consider upgrading to a Ultra or Extreme case.

By selecting Stage 3 Air Cooling, your processor will be overclocked. Other than that, Stage 3 and 2 are both the same.

If you want a sound card or not... depends on your ears. Some can't hear the difference between integrated sound cards and dedicated sound card, while others say there is a clear difference in quality. Go to the store or friends, listen to computers with dedicated cards and those with integrated, and then decide.
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  Quote PoppaWedge Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Oct 2007 at 10:43pm
Thanks for the feedback.
 
I'll stick with the Stage 3 cooling for now.
 
Regarding sound.... I'm definitely not a sound purist, but the machine I'm replacing is pushing 7 years old, and it definitely chokes on music in newer games. I was thinking of a sound card just to offload music processing from the CPU.
 
The configuration is now pushing $2,800 (below) any other thoughts? If I spend this much money on a new system, it will probably be another 7 years before I get a new computer, so I want to build a good foundation for incremental updates.
 
Case: Digital Storm Twister EXTREME (Black Anodized Aluminum Finish)
Power Supply: 850W Thermaltake (8800 GTX SLI Compatible) (Silent Toughpower Edition)
Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 2.4GHz (1066MHz FSB) (8MB Cache)
Motherboard: nVidia 680i Core 2 Quad (By: eVGA) (nForce 680i SLI) (A1 Revision)
Memory: 2GB DDR2 Corsair at 800MHz XMS2 (Dual Channel) (Extreme-Performance)
Floppy / Media: - No Thanks
Hard Drive 1: 320GB (Western Digital / Seagate) (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
Hard Drive 2: 320GB (Western Digital / Seagate) (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
Raid Option: Setup my two hard drives in a Raid 0 Stripe (Read and Write Performance Boost)
Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Network Card: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Modem: - No Thanks
Video Card: nVidia GeForce 8800ULTRA 768MB (By: eVGA / Asus) (PCI-Express)
TV Tuner: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Creative Labs Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer (Up to 7.1 Channel) (Recommended)
Physics Card: - No Thanks
Cooling: Air Cooled Stage 3 (Silent Artic Cooling (TwisterBoost Overclocked)
Case Lighting: - No Thanks
Round Cables: - No Thanks
User Manual: Personalized Platinum Digital Storm Binder (Includes Paperwork/Benchmarks/CDs/Manuals)
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
LCD Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty
Support: Lifetime Toll-Free Platinum Care Technical Support
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  Quote sundowner Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 22 Oct 2007 at 10:56pm

Go SLI with GTX's instead of ultra's, really not worth the money for 10-20 fps difference.

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  Quote Bigdog Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Oct 2007 at 4:29am

^^ I agree, I would also go with the 8800GTX, plus that gives you some $$$ to either save or add something else.   you could get that soundcard you had on your first post if you went GTX instead of Ultra.  To each there own though, some people love the Ultras but for me the 8800Ultras are so much money for just one card.  I could buy just a regular desktop at bestbuy with the price of one Ultra LOL.

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Graphics: 2x 8800GTX 768MB
Sound Card: Fatal1ty
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  Quote PoppaWedge Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Oct 2007 at 6:45am
Thanks. One other question...
 
I've considered tossing caution to the wind and getting SLI GTXs with the liquid-cooled CPU/VGA package. Just how loud are those pumps? I know it's hard to qualify online, but thought I would ask.
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  Quote Stonevulture Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 23 Oct 2007 at 8:42am
I've got liquid cooling on my CPU only, and I have the Ultra case (which, if you look, is pretty wide open - practically mesh - with almost no noise-dampening ability).  It gurgles loud enough that I can hear it over the various fans that are still in the case (powersupply, GPUs, misc. case fans), but it's a gentle gurgling, and it's not constant.  Honestly, it took some getting used to - not because it was loud, but because it's just an unusual noise for a computer to make.  Sorta reminds me of those relaxation waterfall things they shill at Sharper Image or something.

As long as you have a case with good airflow (Ultra/Extreme) and don't plan to crazy-overclock your GPUs, liquid cooling on the video cards is probably not needed.  You can still OC the GPUs a little on air, and liquid cool the CPU where you're likely to want/need the overclocking in the long-term.  Not having to monkey with a liquid cooling system also makes video card upgrading a lot easier in the future, whereas you're probably not going to upgrade the CPU until you're ready for a whole new machine (which, in turn, makes it an even more attractive component to invest in and overclock).

If you think this machine is going to need to last you 7 years with some selective upgrades, then the things you'll probably want to invest in are:

* Case
* Power supply
* Motherboard
* CPU

since these are the things (at least in my personal experience) that, by the time you need to upgrade them, you're more or less going to get a new machine.  (Changing CPUs in 3-7 years almost certainly means a new motherboard for a different CPU socket format, which probably means new RAM and possibly a new case for a different form factor, getting a new case probably means you need a new power supply and now you're to the point where you may as well buy a whole darn new one.)

The things you're most likely to replace over 7 years are:

* GPU(s)
* RAM
* Hard disk(s)
* Soundcard
* Optical drives

in roughly that order.  I'm in the same boat - my DS machine is going to have to serve as an upgrade platform for years to come, I'm afraid - so that's why I made sure I got a great case, a larger-than-currently-needed PS, the best possible motherboard, and the highest-end quad-core, overclocked and liquid cooled.  As I said before, unless there is a failure, replacing any of those things probably means replacing all of them anyway, so I might as well build a system around those core components, upgrading video, RAM, and disk around them as needed.

Just my $0.02.


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  Quote PoppaWedge Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Oct 2007 at 2:37pm
Thanks to all for your well thought out responses. I really appreciate it.
 
One more question, I thought I read somewhere that Vista handles sound differently than XP, so that right now, there are some workarounds to get the Creative cards to work. Anyone had any experience with that?
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  Quote ed1371 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Oct 2007 at 3:22pm
I dual boot xp/vista on my soon to be replaced rig and all I had to do to get the Audigy 2 zs to work was get the latest drivers.
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  Quote commast Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Oct 2007 at 5:23pm
Originally posted by PoppaWedge

Thanks to all for your well thought out responses. I really appreciate it.
 
One more question, I thought I read somewhere that Vista handles sound differently than XP, so that right now, there are some workarounds to get the Creative cards to work. Anyone had any experience with that?


You can't play game with EAX enable in Vista unless you install the Alchemy drivers from creative labs (v1.00.11). If you don't need EAX, the normal driver will works fine. The strange thing is that on the latest Vista non-Alchemy driver the audio console has EAX enable in it but the description on creative website said that EAX is not supported with this release (v2.15.002). Haven't try any EAX enabled games with the 2.15.002 driver so i can't tell you if EAX works or not. The Alchemy driver should work with EAX games.



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