Please review my ConfigPost Date: 2010-07-24 |
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krappei
Newbie Joined: 20 Jul 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 18 |
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Topic: Please review my Config Posted: 24 Jul 2010 at 12:40pm |
Hi,
In the past, I have purchased desktops from Best Buy and Dell. I have been doing research the past month to learn a bit about custom build PC's, and have pretty much set my sights on getting one from DS. I have been reading the forums for advice given to other builders and have come up one that I think will fit my needs. BTW, this is to replace a 6 year old Dell Dimension 4600. Any advice/comments would greatly be appreciated. My goal: Budget Around $2000. I want to run dual 23-24" monitors @ 1900x1200 for each when running browsers, MS Office software, Visual Studio, and vidoes & music (1900x1200 single monitor for Starcraft 2 at highest visual settings). Starcraft 2 and future expansions sets will be the most advanced gaming I will do. Plan to purchase within a month or so. Also, reliability is very important. Questions: 1) Is my graphics card (5870) sufficient? If I want to save a little money, can I go down a step (5770)? What about a single 5870 versus 2x5770? Figuring out the ideal graphics card was the most challenging. 2) Is it worth the $15 to go for 64MB Cashe hard drive? 3) I'm pretty much set on Noctua Dual, but if the NH-D14 is significantly better, I will reconsider. There appear to be many differing opinions in the DS community about this. 4) With the free overclocking for the processor and graphics card, what lifespan can I expect? I would feel better that the PC life will be 10+ years even though I'll probably get a new one before then. Ticket Number: 424821 Total Price with Instant Savings: $2,055.00 Direct Load URL: http://www.digitalstormonline.com/comploadsaved.asp?id=424821 Specifications: Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Black OPS Assassin Edition Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish Processor: Intel Core i7 930 2.8GHz (Quad Core) Motherboard: ASUS P6X58D Premium SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Features USB 3.0 and SATA 6Gb/s) System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested) Power Supply: 750W Corsair TX (Dual SLI Compatible) Expansion Bay: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (1TB Western Digital Caviar (7200 RPM) (64MB Cache) (Model: Black Edition WD1002FAEX) Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x) Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: 1x ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB Add-on Card: - No Thanks Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 1: Noctua Dual 120mm Fans High Performance Cooler (Compatible With ONLY i7 Processors) H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans Internal Lighting: - No Thanks Enhancements: - No Thanks Chassis Mods: - No Thanks Noise Reduction: - No Thanks Boost Processor: FREE: Stage 1: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz (Cooling Upgrade Recommended) Boost Video Card: FREE: Yes, Overclock the video card(s) as much as possible with complete stability Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: - No Thanks, Please test my memory, I will be responsible for software based support Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based) Virus Protection: - No Thanks Office: - No Thanks Benchmarking: - No Thanks Install/Test Game: FREE: Hot-selling game with a NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250 or above graphics card Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks External Storage: - No Thanks Exclusive T-Shirt: FREE: Digital Storm T-Shirt - Black (Large) Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed Warranty: Life-time Expert Customer Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty |
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sirsiddius
Groupie Joined: 18 Aug 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 441 |
Quote Reply Posted: 24 Jul 2010 at 1:20pm |
1) I'd go for 1 5870 since crossifre does not work 100% of the time.
2) Probably not, I don't think Cache will do much for random read and write speeds. 3) I don't like the NH-D14, it's ugly, heavy, blocks all of your ram slots. It's over egineered, a concept taken to far, but it does preform, albiet only 2-3 degrees better than traditional tower coolers. It's up to you to decide of 2-3 degrees is worth the extra 300 grams hanging off your mobo. 4) No one can make long term guarantees to electronics as senstive as these, there's always a tiny chance that you can end up iffy parts that can drammatically reduce the life of yor system. But if you aim for a reasonable overclock 3.8 gigish, and keep your voltage sensible, and temps down, then your system's should have the same life expectancy as it would on stock settings Edited by sirsiddius - 24 Jul 2010 at 1:21pm |
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Runes
Groupie Joined: 03 Jul 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 109 |
Quote Reply Posted: 24 Jul 2010 at 1:31pm |
1. Yes, but if you're using the rig to game, you should be building it around graphic power rather than taking what's sufficient. The 480 is the best single card on the market right now, I would go for that. More on saving money later.
2. Not in the slightest. You won't notice any difference. 3. The Noctua Dual has the best price/performance ratio and will easily get you to the maximum free overclock DS does. 4. Ten years is a long time. The lifespan depends on the temperatures that the hardware experience, so if you aren't comfortable with shortening the life of your hardware, we can always help you turn the overclock down (thereby reducing temperatures). To save money, build out of the budget section. Unless you're dead set on the Assassin case, go for a HAF 932. It's the best stock air cooled one DS has. You can also drop your processor down to a 920, as all 900-series quad cores are the same hardware with different factory settings. Not sure what you're looking for in terms of motherboards, but I put in the standard one. Here's a config for you to go by. $1928 |
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krappei
Newbie Joined: 20 Jul 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 18 |
Quote Reply Posted: 24 Jul 2010 at 1:59pm |
Thanks for the feedback thus far.
-Rune, don't you think the 480 is overkill for my purpose? -I will reduce to the 920. -I selected the Assassin case for it's good reviews and appearance. However, I'll consider the HAF 932. -As for the motherboard, I selected the ASUS deluxe one over EVGA because of the rave customer reviews on Newegg, and I have the impression that ASUS is more reliable. |
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sirsiddius
Groupie Joined: 18 Aug 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 441 |
Quote Reply Posted: 24 Jul 2010 at 2:17pm |
-It probably is overkill for Starcraft 2 @ 1200p [http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=958&type=expert] but who knows maybe you'll find other games to play.
-Yeah reduce to the 920, I doubt it'll make any diffrence -Those who like the Assassin case's smooth clean aesthetics will find it hard to accept the HAF's styling. Isn't the Assassin case also very airflow optimized, and thermodymicaly friendly; the 3 180mm fans coupled with the horizontal mobo draws gpu heat up out the case, much more effective than doing it the traditional way. -forum goers here have been brainwashed by DST4ME and justin.kerr to automatically support EVGA, both companies produce great boards, both have produced lemons. However with this current gen they're all very similar. Flip a coin to decide, or if you want to save a couple of dollars go with EVGA Edited by sirsiddius - 24 Jul 2010 at 2:39pm |
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Cretae
DS Veteran Joined: 22 Mar 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 7331 |
Quote Reply Posted: 24 Jul 2010 at 5:58pm |
Asus has always produced quality products in my experience, which is considerable btw. However, not having been brainwashed in the slightest by anyone, I can tell you from my own research that Asus is having a very rough time with customer support these days. Mostly, from what I see, they are not responding to customers. Period. EVGA does not have this problem. Period. I call these little things facts. End of brainwashing session.
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Coolermaster Storm Sniper
Intel Core i7 930 3.8GHz OC EVGA X58 LE 6GB DDR3 1600Mhz Ram 750W Corsair 1TB HDD 1x ATI RadeonHD 5870 1GB Noctua Dual 120mm I can make my mind think... anything.... |
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Dragoonseal
DS Veteran Joined: 03 Apr 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2247 |
Quote Reply Posted: 24 Jul 2010 at 6:37pm |
Some of actually have EVGA motherboards and can vouch for their amazing quality for the price.
But even besides that, just pay attention to details and do some damn research, it isn't hard. I'm not seeing any advantages to having an ASUS board jump out and bite me. |
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Lilim
Intel Core i7 920 @4.2GHz HAF 932 - Dual SLI Nvidia GTX 480s 3x Intel X25-M G2 (80GB) SSD RAID0 |
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sirsiddius
Groupie Joined: 18 Aug 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 441 |
Quote Reply Posted: 25 Jul 2010 at 12:10am |
Yeah Asus is big and evil, so their customer support isn't great but, I find that when there's a a problem with a motherboard, a call to tech support rarely helps and it's usually goes back to the retailers for an RMA anyways. Anyways if you order from DS, you'll never have to deal with either Asus or Evga.
Dragoonseal, support Evga if you want, Just as support I Asus, But don't go ripping on Asus soley because you don't like the brand, you don't see me doing that with Evga do you? Just like you have an Evga board, I have an Asus board it's a P5QL, I picked it up in China for penuts back in 2008 for a build made out of salvaged dell parts. The 2.3 ghz northwood is currently rocking @ 3.2 ghz. It's been working day in and day out as has had no problem for the last 2 years. And for that I respect Asus. |
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justin.kerr
DS Veteran Joined: 06 May 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5084 |
Quote Reply Posted: 25 Jul 2010 at 9:36am |
I know I only have used a few ASUS boards, maybe 15 or so, but IMHO they made great boards for the Intel 775 platform.. very very good... 10x better than EVGA.
The X58 platform.. the early Asus boards were total crap, I mean crap of crap. The Evga have been very good for the X58 platform. Now the newest Asus boards, especially the RE III is a great board, just as good, if not better than the Evga classified. The lower end Asus boards, I do not know about, but I see they still have some throttling issues, so I would still not recommend them..
The Gigabyte boards still have the best efficiency, clock for clock they will be the fastest boards, but the difference is never noticed except in benchmarking.
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Cretae
DS Veteran Joined: 22 Mar 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 7331 |
Quote Reply Posted: 25 Jul 2010 at 5:25pm |
@Sirsiddius - I absolutely used to agree with you when we all were getting 3 yr warranties. Now the majority have just 1 yr parts coverage, and customer support from your board maker is decidely an issue. Idk about big and evil, and I think the products are not the problem. If I recommend/endorse Asus knowing the issues that exist, the one guy out of 20/30/50 who gets a bad board and then can't get anyone to stand behind it has a problem with MY advice. |
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Coolermaster Storm Sniper
Intel Core i7 930 3.8GHz OC EVGA X58 LE 6GB DDR3 1600Mhz Ram 750W Corsair 1TB HDD 1x ATI RadeonHD 5870 1GB Noctua Dual 120mm I can make my mind think... anything.... |
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krappei
Newbie Joined: 20 Jul 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 18 |
Quote Reply Posted: 25 Jul 2010 at 9:52pm |
Thanks everyone. I've decided to go with the EVGA LE motherboard to save some money. DS says that they are currently using Sapphire Radeon HD's. I've read some negative reviews on Sapphire from some other threads. Should I go with one the brands available?
Also, I'd appreciate any other feedback from some others on my build. Thanks. Here's my new build: Ticket Number: 425207 Total Price with Instant Savings: $1,926.00 Direct Load URL: http://www.digitalstormonline.com/comploadsaved.asp?id=425207 Specifications: Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Black OPS Assassin Edition Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish Processor: !PROMOTION: Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (Quad Core) Motherboard: EVGA X58 LE Edition SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested) Power Supply: 750W Corsair TX (Dual SLI Compatible) Expansion Bay: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (1TB Western Digital Caviar (7200 RPM) (32MB Cache) (Model: Black Edition WD1001FALS) Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x) Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: 1x ATI Radeon HD 5870 1GB Add-on Card: - No Thanks Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 1: Noctua Dual 120mm Fans High Performance Cooler (Compatible With ONLY i7 Processors) H20 Tube Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a FrostChill or Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System Selected Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans Internal Lighting: - No Thanks Enhancements: - No Thanks Chassis Mods: - No Thanks Noise Reduction: - No Thanks Boost Processor: FREE: Stage 1: Overclock the processor between 3.3GHz to 3.9GHz (Cooling Upgrade Recommended) Boost Video Card: FREE: Yes, Overclock the video card(s) as much as possible with complete stability Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory |
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Dragoonseal
DS Veteran Joined: 03 Apr 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2247 |
Quote Reply Posted: 25 Jul 2010 at 10:08pm |
Well the Assassin is overpriced as hell, so you may as well just drop that for a HAF 932 to save over $200 (!) and put it toward more useful things.
Like say a 40GB Intel SSD for OS/apps and upgrading the 5870 to a GTX 480. |
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Lilim
Intel Core i7 920 @4.2GHz HAF 932 - Dual SLI Nvidia GTX 480s 3x Intel X25-M G2 (80GB) SSD RAID0 |
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dustymanhp
Newbie Joined: 27 Jun 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 46 |
Quote Reply Posted: 25 Jul 2010 at 10:18pm |
change the 920 to a 930... and change ur FREE! YES OVERLOCK THE VIDEO CARD to "no dont overclock video card."... uncessary heat!
do this and get that SSD, change to 480 as dragon said, and ur set because ur saving all that money because u changed to a 932!!
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Dragoonseal
DS Veteran Joined: 03 Apr 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 2247 |
Quote Reply Posted: 25 Jul 2010 at 10:27pm |
No stay with the 920. They're both the same chip and will overclock to the same limits. Actually I haven't been seeing particularly amazing overclocks and temperatures from recent 930s like used to be common with all 920s and earlier 930s, so even more reason to stick with the 920.
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Lilim
Intel Core i7 920 @4.2GHz HAF 932 - Dual SLI Nvidia GTX 480s 3x Intel X25-M G2 (80GB) SSD RAID0 |
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krappei
Newbie Joined: 20 Jul 2010 Online Status: Offline Posts: 18 |
Quote Reply Posted: 25 Jul 2010 at 10:55pm |
I'll think about the case. I'm convinced the HAF 932 is a much better value, but I don't like the appearance. I like the Assassin case for it's sleekness and simply appearance...but you're right about the hefty price. Are any of the other cases a close second to the HAF's?
Also, any suggestions my inquiry on the gpu?:
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sirsiddius
Groupie Joined: 18 Aug 2009 Online Status: Offline Posts: 441 |
Quote Reply Posted: 26 Jul 2010 at 2:46am |
Well I suppose you can go with Raven 02 case since both it and the assassin's case share the same general structure, but then angain the Raven 02 is just about as ugly as the HAF
As for Sapphire, Not even the best board partners can ensure 100% of their gpus are flawless, it's the nature of this business that some components will malfunction, that negative review guy was probably just unlucky. After all Sapphire is the largest exclusive supplier of ATI cards. |
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justin.kerr
DS Veteran Joined: 06 May 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5084 |
Quote Reply Posted: 26 Jul 2010 at 8:58am |
Saphire has created their own PCB, it is crap compared to ATI's reference design, on the 5870 1Gb cards. The 2Gb are still the ATI reference design.
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