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   Im thinking about upgrading my lc setup in like 6months to a custom job.. 
First thing your probably thinking is where could you possibly mount a rad that size in a tj-09...

My plan is to mount it on the top and have my buddy who has acess to a tool shop, drill me 4 holes for the spacers and bolts and 2 holes for the tubing. The holes will be drilled so that the existing fans uptop with the mesh remained unchanged. 

I will most likely replace my 1000w psu with a 1200w pc power & cooling to run an extra gpu. Hopefully by then all the kinks are worked out of the classified mobo and I can run tri sli on air and have my cpu lc'd and have the best of both worlds. Unless.. phase change becomes readily available then I will be headed towards that route :P.

Rad:Feser X-changer 120.3 with a custom kikboxes grill for aesthetic purposes

Reservoir: EK Dual Bay SPIN Reservoir w/ Flow Meter

Pump: 2 Mcp 355's with an EK-DDC Dual Turbo Top (double head pressure) 

Tygon 3603 tubing of course..

Fans: 3 Coolmaster blue led 120mm/110cfm

Fittings and Barbs: Most likely bitspower 

Edited by Dsnewb210 - 15 Apr 2009 at 2:41pm

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Dsnewb210 Members Profile Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 01 Oct 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 972	Quote Reply Topic: Possible Future LC Setup Posted: 15 Apr 2009 at 2:38pm
	Im thinking about upgrading my lc setup in like 6months to a custom job.. First thing your probably thinking is where could you possibly mount a rad that size in a tj-09... My plan is to mount it on the top and have my buddy who has acess to a tool shop, drill me 4 holes for the spacers and bolts and 2 holes for the tubing. The holes will be drilled so that the existing fans uptop with the mesh remained unchanged. I will most likely replace my 1000w psu with a 1200w pc power & cooling to run an extra gpu. Hopefully by then all the kinks are worked out of the classified mobo and I can run tri sli on air and have my cpu lc'd and have the best of both worlds. Unless.. phase change becomes readily available then I will be headed towards that route :P. Rad:Feser X-changer 120.3 with a custom kikboxes grill for aesthetic purposes Reservoir: EK Dual Bay SPIN Reservoir w/ Flow Meter Pump: 2 Mcp 355's with an EK-DDC Dual Turbo Top (double head pressure) Tygon 3603 tubing of course.. Fans: 3 Coolmaster blue led 120mm/110cfm Fittings and Barbs: Most likely bitspower Edited by Dsnewb210 - 15 Apr 2009 at 2:41pm
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DST4ME Members Profile Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List DS ELITE Joined: 14 Apr 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 36758	Quote Reply Posted: 15 Apr 2009 at 2:42pm
	I think GTX does better with high cfm fans, why 2 pumps? you doing both GPU and CPU?
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Dsnewb210 Members Profile Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 01 Oct 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 972	Quote Reply Posted: 15 Apr 2009 at 2:52pm
	The fans will be on my fan controller, I can adjust the cfm as need be to find the optimal flow.. Just the cpu, I figure if I have a higher flow rate that I could possibly see a 2-3c temp difference if the water is cycling thru faster. I could be wrong and might be better off going with a MCP 655... Have to research this a tad bit more me thinks..
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DST4ME Members Profile Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List DS ELITE Joined: 14 Apr 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 36758	Quote Reply Posted: 15 Apr 2009 at 3:02pm
	actually a Laing DDC 12v version 3.2 with a modified head you will get more flow then the mcp 655 or the D5, but to be honest with you, with a triple rad and triple high cfm fans one or two pumps won't make much of a difference, you should have great temps regardless. I would go with the gtx its a better rad IMO and you don't have to worry about cfm since it does great at 50cfm and higher, and you don't want to go lower then 50cfm anyways. Edited by DST4ME - 15 Apr 2009 at 3:03pm
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Dsnewb210 Members Profile Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 01 Oct 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 972	Quote Reply Posted: 15 Apr 2009 at 3:26pm
	Thermochill has a new 140.3 rad coming out that is looking pretty sweet.. With 140mm fans I should be able to move more air at a lower db.
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DST4ME Members Profile Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List DS ELITE Joined: 14 Apr 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 36758	Quote Reply Posted: 15 Apr 2009 at 3:45pm
	GTX already has the 420 GTX out which is what I'm getting had the hardest time finding decent red led 140mm fans for it tho
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Dsnewb210 Members Profile Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 01 Oct 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 972	Quote Reply Posted: 15 Apr 2009 at 4:11pm
	Ya there isn't really any real great 140mm fans... That 420 going to fit at the top of your haf?
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DST4ME Members Profile Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List DS ELITE Joined: 14 Apr 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 36758	Quote Reply Posted: 15 Apr 2009 at 4:16pm
	it will fit but I think we need adaptors. if I didn't want led fans I would go directly to delta and get 3 nice 140mm 220 cfm 50dba fans
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Dsnewb210 Members Profile Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 01 Oct 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 972	Quote Reply Posted: 15 Apr 2009 at 4:26pm
	D@mn that sounds louder then my 120mm 150cfm deltas lol... I checked out the gtx 420 and it looks like you need atleast 65min cfm fan to take advantage of the fin design.. Reason why the feser and thermochill's are so popular is because you can get away with using very low cfm fans.. So IDK im still trying to figure out what to get. My cpu runs at about 38-39 idle in a 71 degree room.. I think if I had a bigger rad I could get those temps down to 32-36 idle. Ive got a pretty good i965 chip because ive managed to get a 4.05 oc stable with only 1.328v... I just feel like this 2 single 120mm rad setup DS did isn't near as effective as having one large rad. Why can't they just make phase change cooling more mainstream? If that was the case we could say screw liquid cooling and jump on the -40 c bandwagon.. Edited by Dsnewb210 - 15 Apr 2009 at 4:28pm
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DST4ME Members Profile Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List DS ELITE Joined: 14 Apr 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 36758	Quote Reply Posted: 15 Apr 2009 at 4:57pm
	Not sure where you got that idea but GTX is best with both low cfm and high cfm, its Thermochill that has the low/high cfm problem, regardless with a triple fan no matter what, you won't achieve results of 60cfm with 30cfm no matter what you use. at the end you are looking at 5c difference between GTX and feser and thermochill with the same fans. I like being able to have the option of high cfm or low cfm in one rad, vs just low cfm. but if you like the feser then go with it its not that big of a difference at the end. honestly if you are under 80c and at a oc speed you like, is all the headache realy worth say 71c vs 67c? I mean if you are at 85c or something like that I can understand but you already have a great temp under load. I agree with you 100% on the phase change
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justin.kerr Members Profile Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List DS Veteran Joined: 06 May 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5084	Quote Reply Posted: 15 Apr 2009 at 9:31pm
	The Black Ice has very poor performance with low speed fans, and is louder than the Feser. The GTX does best all of the others in maximum wattage displacement with high 100+ CFM fans, but gets killed by the thermochill and feser at low, even the swiftech mcr320 can match the GTX at 1/2 the price, when the fan CFM is low. yes the 3.2 or 355 pump with one of the better tops has great flow, pressure, and dumps less heat into the loop that the 655. I run dual tripple rads, with 650 rpm fans (silent) I can run prime 95 all day @ 4.3Ghz and stay in the 50's for temps. with HT on. One major reason to go water cooling for me, was to quiet a PC. But different strokes for different folks. Edited by justin.kerr - 15 Apr 2009 at 9:50pm

Dsnewb210 Members Profile Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 01 Oct 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 972	Quote Reply Posted: 15 Apr 2009 at 10:18pm
	What rad do you recommend? Should I wait this summer for the new 140.3 thermochill or go with a 140.3 feser? Id like to get away with using fans that are below 85 cfm.. For reservoir I decided to go with a xspc acrylic reservoir because it incorperates the 355 in and saves space and makes the loop easier..
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justin.kerr Members Profile Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List DS Veteran Joined: 06 May 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5084	Quote Reply Posted: 15 Apr 2009 at 10:53pm
	The res + pump top is a great way to go, I have a XSPC top, a Bits power nipple, connected to a inverted switech micro res 2.. lol works well, but would recomend the xspc res top. Radiators? Both the Feser and Thermochill will be close in performance, I don't know if the Thermochill 140 will have the goofy spacing like the 120.3 does? I am becoming a Feser fan, so I would give it the nod. lol.. For simplicity I would just go with a 120.3 feser, thermochill, XSPC RX or even swiftech 320. a good, single, tripple rad, with a great CPU block, good fans, and pump will get an i7 good temps. Dual tripples are good for using lower speed fans, not much else. Scythe S-FLEX 1900 rpm for fans or slip stream sh, with controller. depending on budget. use shrouds for the extra degree or two. lol for tubing consider primochill pro lrt, it is the best I have ever used, and I have used most of the tubing on the market. Edited by justin.kerr - 15 Apr 2009 at 11:01pm

Dsnewb210 Members Profile Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 01 Oct 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 972	Quote Reply Posted: 16 Apr 2009 at 12:00am
	Appreciate the help and insight justin.kerr!
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	every where I read the GTX beats the thermochill or feser starting at 47cfm, under that it matches their resluts or do maybe a couple degree worst, also from the charts and reviews I have read, the swiftech 320 is not even worth a dime I remember reading a review where a swiftech 320 was matched/beaten by a smaller thermochill 120.2 Edited by DST4ME - 16 Apr 2009 at 12:21am
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Dsnewb210 Members Profile Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 01 Oct 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 972	Quote Reply Posted: 16 Apr 2009 at 12:22am
	Swiftechs rads are pretty crappy.. I will def steer clear of them lol..
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DST4ME Members Profile Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List DS ELITE Joined: 14 Apr 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 36758	Quote Reply Posted: 16 Apr 2009 at 12:28am
	well there is a reason why they are so cheap, they are the worst.
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Dsnewb210 Members Profile Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 01 Oct 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 972	Quote Reply Posted: 16 Apr 2009 at 12:51am
	Well I would say its going to be a toss up between the gtx 420/140.3 thermochill (coming this summer) and a feser.. I don't think I can go wrong with either 3 brands, ive been reading about the importance of fans though and how they have a huge effect on the performance of your rad. Hurry up thermaltake... we need rcb400
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DST4ME Members Profile Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List DS ELITE Joined: 14 Apr 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 36758	Quote Reply Posted: 16 Apr 2009 at 12:55am
	ya the fan makes all the difference a bigger rad with a smaller fan is pretty much like a smaller rad, I'm beginning to lose faith in rcb400. Edited by DST4ME - 16 Apr 2009 at 12:56am
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justin.kerr Members Profile Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List DS Veteran Joined: 06 May 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5084	Quote Reply Posted: 16 Apr 2009 at 8:44am
	In the water cooling world 2C difference between products is considered a big change.. With a typical OC'd I7, good water block, pump. 800 RPM fans, The Feser will beat the Swiftech mcr 320 by 2C, but it will beat the GTX by 10C... So if the Swiftech is crappy, what is the GTX ?? Better off going air cooled than a GTX, if you want to use low speed fans. But if you want to use 3,000 RPM Deltas then yes, the GTX will beat the others. Also the GTX is very restrictive on the water flow, another dis-advantage for it. Edited by justin.kerr - 16 Apr 2009 at 10:10am

DST4ME Members Profile Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List DS ELITE Joined: 14 Apr 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 36758	Quote Reply Posted: 16 Apr 2009 at 2:31pm
	well I have not seen the results you are talking about, as I said I have seen many reviews on forum from actual users and from sites that show swiftech to be crap and no where near the results you are talking about, as I mentioned I have seen the triple swiftech rad get schooled by a dual 120.2 rad, so your results are the first time I have heard of such a thing, and honestly I cant' say I agree with them.
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justin.kerr Members Profile Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List DS Veteran Joined: 06 May 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5084	Quote Reply Posted: 16 Apr 2009 at 2:55pm
	Here is two, I can list a lot more, but I don't see the point. lol My results are not lab testing like the ones in the links, but they are from the same computer, same fans, same ambient temps, and heat tests.. http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=220593&highlight=radiator+testING http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=220026

DST4ME Members Profile Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List DS ELITE Joined: 14 Apr 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 36758	Quote Reply Posted: 16 Apr 2009 at 3:37pm
	I don't want to argue but you got any other links then xtremesystems? that review is not even using the new version of BI. Edited by DST4ME - 16 Apr 2009 at 3:43pm
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justin.kerr Members Profile Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List DS Veteran Joined: 06 May 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5084	Quote Reply Posted: 16 Apr 2009 at 3:40pm
	Just the links to the labs themselves, but they are just copies of the ones one xtreme, seems they all end up there. lol

DST4ME Members Profile Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List DS ELITE Joined: 14 Apr 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 36758	Quote Reply Posted: 16 Apr 2009 at 3:46pm
	ya exactly, I had seen that befor also but that is basically one person, or 2. as I mentioned in my previous post, those guys are not comparing the new version of BI either and still that is one person. here is the chart I had seen between dual rad 120.2 vs triple rad swiftech Edited by DST4ME - 16 Apr 2009 at 3:47pm
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justin.kerr Members Profile Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List DS Veteran Joined: 06 May 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5084	Quote Reply Posted: 16 Apr 2009 at 3:55pm
	Martins lab, has very accurate testing.. The one you posted is not from a lab.. ambient air differences, super low GPH, seems like a back yard test. lol Does not state load.. But there has been a ton of testing, some good, some poor, but I have yet to ever see a GTX with low speed fans beat any of the top rads. I have one GTX, and have it ready to be sent to the recycling center. lol It really is of no use on a low speed fan LC setup. There is a new version of the GTX? Edited by justin.kerr - 16 Apr 2009 at 3:57pm

DST4ME Members Profile Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List DS ELITE Joined: 14 Apr 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 36758	Quote Reply Posted: 16 Apr 2009 at 4:28pm
	Martins lab is OK but not the end to all tests. yes there is a new line of GTX out.
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justin.kerr Members Profile Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List DS Veteran Joined: 06 May 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5084	Quote Reply Posted: 16 Apr 2009 at 4:36pm
	Do you have a link?? interested in a new GTX!

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	lol I thought you would have chekced their site already look for gtx 140, 280 and 420, the are the gen 2 versions of the 120, 240 and 360. Edited by DST4ME - 16 Apr 2009 at 4:42pm
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justin.kerr Members Profile Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List DS Veteran Joined: 06 May 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5084	Quote Reply Posted: 16 Apr 2009 at 4:46pm
	hmm, must be slow today. see only one version. The GTX is their 2nd generation design, but only one generation that I see. lol

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	the old OG gen is the 120 240 and 230 which work with 120mm fans the new gen that I mentioned works with 140mm also Edited by DST4ME - 16 Apr 2009 at 5:33pm
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Dsnewb210 Members Profile Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 01 Oct 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 972	Quote Reply Posted: 16 Apr 2009 at 5:14pm
	Is that reservoir/pumphead combo big enough to support a 140mm triple rad? I believe it holds 200ml of liquid..
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justin.kerr Members Profile Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List DS Veteran Joined: 06 May 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5084	Quote Reply Posted: 16 Apr 2009 at 5:24pm
	yes, more than enough, old timers still just use a T line, no res, better pressure.

Dsnewb210 Members Profile Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Senior Member Joined: 01 Oct 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 972	Quote Reply Posted: 16 Apr 2009 at 5:34pm
	Ive heard the t-line way can be a royal pain in the @ss to bleed the system and what not...
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justin.kerr Members Profile Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List DS Veteran Joined: 06 May 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 5084	Quote Reply Posted: 16 Apr 2009 at 6:09pm
	T lines do take longer to bleed lol

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