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    Posted: 16 Feb 2009 at 9:58pm
Long time lurker.  I am getting ready to buy my first DS rig and the prebuilt  920/GTX 280 Antec case model seems to be perfect for me to putz around in WoW and LOTRO.  I have two questions, however:

1) I am also considering upgrading from my 19" CRT to the ACER 22" LCD that DS sells. What is it's resolution? Will a 280 be enough to push it? 16xx is perfectly fine for WoW, LOTRO, and I assume, D3 later on in the year.

2) I can't help but notice that all of the pre-built systems have stock cooling and no OC.  This seems so odd to me, as DS prides itself on it's quality OC work.  Can I get a v8 added to the $1779 machine? Or if not feasible, can it be OC'ed with stock fans? What would the results be, give or take? Of course I want the best rig I can buy for the price (which is, admittedly on the small side) but the difference between the pre-built price and a custom machine with a v8 and OC is $300. Is it really worth it for the improved CPU clock speed?

Thank you in advance for any advice you may be able to offer.
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 16 Feb 2009 at 10:03pm
you can't change things in the pre configs.

above 1600 x 1050 you need 2 GPUs to run it at full settings.
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  Quote Hammer Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 Feb 2009 at 12:51am
I too have been tempted by pre-builds in the past, but found it odd that DSO doesn't OC them. DSO's OCing is one of THE reasons I like this company.
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  Quote Betareflex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 Feb 2009 at 11:15am
Originally posted by Hammer

I too have been tempted by pre-builds in the past, but found it odd that DSO doesn't OC them. DSO's OCing is one of THE reasons I like this company.
The 3 year warranty, coupled with the professional OC is a serious draw for me.  DOes anyone know why they don't OC the prebuilts?  Is there really that much of a difference between an OC'ed i7 920 and a standard?


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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 Feb 2009 at 12:37pm

Let me pass this over to our team. I will get us to overclock all the systems.

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  Quote Onkel_Ken Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 Feb 2009 at 12:45pm
If you overclock a 920 which starts at 2.6 and get 3.2 it is almost like getting an expensive 965 which is many of hundreds of dollars more.  The OC fee on a customized rig is only $45.  The folks on the forum can help overclock the graphic card if you want help.  The OC of a CPU is something that is nice as long as you watch the heat and stability.  This is why it was worth the $45 to let DS OC it and warranty the beast.
 
I have seen them OC special prebuilts before at times like a 940 to 3.5 as I recall.  Just have to call them and let them know what you want.  I built my machine to be exactly what I wanted by picking all of my components.
 
Overclocking depends on the individual chips.  We could both order 920 OC and I could get 3.1 and you get 3.4.  It all depends on cooling and liquid does better than air as well as the specific chip being overclocked. Some 920s will clock better than others.  By picking a 940 or a 965 you have a higher starting point to begin with.  The 920 & 940 are exactly the same except for their clock rates.  The 965 has better attributes as an extreme version.


Edited by Onkel_Ken - 17 Feb 2009 at 2:01pm
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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 Feb 2009 at 1:54pm
We just made some changes to the pre-builds just now. We changed the power supply of the low-end versions to the 750W to ensure a strong upgrade path for an additional video card, etc..
 
Now, if you pick a pre-build with the following CPU, the overclock results are below:
 
i7-920 = 3.33GHz
i7-940 = 3.60GHz


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  Quote Rev. Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 Feb 2009 at 2:18pm
Just an FYI you do NOT need 2 GPUs for WoW nor LoTRO.
 
I run LOtrO fully cranked @ 1920 x 1200 on a single GTX 285.
 
WoW takes even less GPU power.
 
If your on a 19" (1) GTX 280 is plenty.


Edited by Rev. - 17 Feb 2009 at 2:19pm
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  Quote Samael Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 Feb 2009 at 2:28pm
I cant wait to get my system so that I can play LoTRO on full everything!!
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 Feb 2009 at 3:23pm
Great one Alex

@rev, for wow can't use sli, all major new games will need 2 gpus to run them at high settings.
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  Quote Rev. Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 Feb 2009 at 5:53pm
Originally posted by DST4ME

Great one Alex

@rev, for wow can't use sli, all major new games will need 2 gpus to run them at high settings.
 
No sir.  Not on a 19" moniter you don't.
 
Go read up on some reviews.  SLI and Tri-SLI on a 19" moniter is only good for your ego and looks good in a sig.
 
No one running with a 19" moniter needs mutiple GPUs even for Crysis Warhead.
 
The OP said he plays on a 19" moniter and is concerned about WoW and LoTRO and maybe D3 later.
 
Even at 22" (moniter I had before I upgraded). 
 
He doesn't need muliple GPUs for what he wants.
 
My 1x GTX 285 plays everything I through at it :)


Edited by Rev. - 17 Feb 2009 at 7:31pm
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  Quote Betareflex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 Feb 2009 at 6:56pm
Mr. Alex: You just earned yourself a customer.

Thank you for your kindness and professionalism.
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  Quote Rev. Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 Feb 2009 at 7:32pm
Originally posted by Alex

We just made some changes to the pre-builds just now. We changed the power supply of the low-end versions to the 750W to ensure a strong upgrade path for an additional video card, etc..
 
Now, if you pick a pre-build with the following CPU, the overclock results are below:
 
i7-920 = 3.33GHz
i7-940 = 3.60GHz
 
Confused A company that hears "the People" Ermm
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 Feb 2009 at 10:20pm
Originally posted by Rev.

Originally posted by DST4ME

Great one Alex @rev, for wow can't use sli, all major new games will need 2 gpus to run them at high settings.

 

No sir.  Not on a 19" moniter you don't.

 

Go read up on some reviews.  SLI and Tri-SLI on a 19" moniter is only good for your ego and looks good in a sig.

 

No one running with a 19" moniter needs mutiple GPUs even for Crysis Warhead.

 

The OP said he plays on a 19" moniter and is concerned about WoW and LoTRO and maybe D3 later.

 

Even at 22" (moniter I had before I upgraded). 

 

He doesn't need muliple GPUs for what he wants.

 

My 1x GTX 285 plays everything I through at it :)


if your resultion is above 1600 x 1050 or above you will need sli

the OP is asking about a 22" , nobody was talking about 19inch, the topic discussion is for a 22"

crysis warhead even at 1280 x 1024 sees lot of improvment in sli



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  Quote Rev. Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 Feb 2009 at 11:43pm

I am glad your not a tech at DSL telling everyone they NEED SLI.

 
That is all.
 
You can play just about any game around at great quaility on a single GPU and 22" moniter.
 
I for one will not be playing Crysis Warhead.  And if I did, I would not spend double or triple GPU costs and PSU to run it to play one game :)
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  Quote Onkel_Ken Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 17 Feb 2009 at 11:50pm
But Crysis Warhead is such a cool game.  Broken%20Heart
 
Now that I have invested in all this stuff I was looking for a game that plays as if it was a high performance benchmark.  Angry
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Well, if you don't play any first person shooters, I can understand that.  Crysis Warhead is currently considered the most graphics intensive first person shooter and you can bet other companies are just going to up the ante down the road.
 
I predict that between 6 months to 1 year from now, there will be first person shooters that will make the graphics in Crysis Warhead look like difference between 32bit graphics and 64bits graphics in the old days.  The game companies just keep putting out more intensive games to match the hardware that keeps coming out.
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  Quote Rev. Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Feb 2009 at 12:26am
Originally posted by Kryhavoc

Well, if you don't play any first person shooters, I can understand that.  Crysis Warhead is currently considered the most graphics intensive first person shooter and you can bet other companies are just going to up the ante down the road.
 
I predict that between 6 months to 1 year from now, there will be first person shooters that will make the graphics in Crysis Warhead look like difference between 32bit graphics and 64bits graphics in the old days.  The game companies just keep putting out more intensive games to match the hardware that keeps coming out.
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True, but if your like me, 6 months to a year from now I will not have the same rig configuration :)\
 
Don't get me wrong, SLI is great.  But there are people with a budget that ask advice.  You don't need Tri-SLI to have a sweet gaming rig.
 
If price were no limiting factor, wouldn't everyone have Tri-SLI ;)
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Feb 2009 at 12:55am
DS officially says that if you are above 1600 x 1200 you need to go with sli GPU, so I don't have to work for DS for a customer to get this important info.

Everybody does not use their pc the same as me and you, so what we think or whats good for us or what is usless to us, has got nothing to do with what is good for others.

my screenshot clearly show the improvement in crysis, even at 1200 x 1050, the 295 was pulling 60+fps while the others were 40fps.

as for tri sli, if you are at or above 2560 x 1600 you do need tri sli to run at high settings.


thank god you are not helping me build a PC, cause if you sent me home with one GPU with a resolution of 1600 x 1050 or higher, I would be one pissed customer.

maybe you don't like 60+ fps in games so that its smooth all the way, others do.

and here is DS's own official comment on the subject:

Q 4: Do I really need multiple video cards?

      
It really depends. If you are planning to run your new gaming computer on a large display with a high-resolution, it’s essential to have at least a dual video card solution or else it will tax the performance on your system.




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  Quote Rev. Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Feb 2009 at 10:36am
Hehehe, you don't like people disagreeing with you do you?
 
A friend of mine just ordered a DS PC.  He got a Q9550, 4GB of RAM, (1) GTX 260 (216 core) video card and YES a 22" moniter!
 
The tech at DS told him the system will be great, and play every game out at high settings.
 
You know what, the tech was correct.
 
My last post on the subject.  But SLI is not a necessity until you get to the higer resolutions.
 
BTW, I dont know you, and you dont know me.  I have been building PCs for years for myself and others...
 
I have used SLI and you know what.. I PREFERR a single card solution.  I have many people still wanting me to build (happy customers).  So I must be doing something right ;)


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  Quote Htoler Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Feb 2009 at 11:40am
I can attest to the fact  that Sell`s reps  do not always know what they are talking about  Their intentions may be good, but the are not always up on what best for what , 

am sure many have seen my post  a rep told me my system  would ROLF stomp WOW   it does not but  it sure has kicked the butt of any other game so far
Crysis , COD 5 UT III  ,  

so  research research research  and them make an informed decision on what you need or do not need .

Wish I had researched a bit more than I did   hind sight now    good luck on your build


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  Quote Rev. Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Feb 2009 at 3:54pm
Originally posted by Betareflex

Long time lurker.  I am getting ready to buy my first DS rig and the prebuilt  920/GTX 280 Antec case model seems to be perfect for me to putz around in WoW and LOTRO. 
 
BTW what LOTRO server do you play on?
 
When you get your machine we can join fellowship and you can tell me how awsome the game runs and how awsoem it looks ;)
 
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Feb 2009 at 4:32pm
I don't like people misinforming and going against facts unlike others, I'm not offering my opinion on these forums but facts you are also disagreeing with DS.

I have posed DS's own official response, I have posted creditable charts showing the difference.

what you or your friend or some rep said to somebody else has no baring on fps in a game. I have posted charts showing the difference from very creditable sources, not just he said, she said.

bottom line with anybody that understands games is fps, and if you are under 60fps then you don't have smoothly game play.

and for the last time this is DS's official stand on the subject:



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  Quote PatrickB Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Feb 2009 at 5:22pm
Honestly DST is right. Im running a Crossfire(well sorta) on a 1680x1050 22" monitor and I see a major difference between single and dual. Single gpu working on COD4 max settings i will run around 45-60 fps. With both GPU's working on it I get 85-91 constantly.

The tech's at DS are not always right. WHEN i was looking into buying one one of the tech's told me that a 1000W would EASILY run dual 4870x2's. I did some research and a 1200W is recomended. Just saying.
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A single 295 can't run games on max at 1920 x 1200 max? I doubt that.
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a 295 GTX is a dual card and a sli card, it is basically 2 x 260, same with 9800 gx2, thats a dual card also and can run high resolution on hi settings.

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DST4ME is correct.
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  Quote Rev. Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Feb 2009 at 6:13pm
Originally posted by DST4ME

a 295 GTX is a dual card and a sli card, it is basically 2 x 260, same with 9800 gx2, thats a dual card also and can run high resolution on hi settings.
 
So, you think a 9800GX2 will outperform a GTX 285 because "it is a dual GPU".
 
Smile
 
 
Sorry, I couldnt help that...
 
DS4ME obviously is the local guru here.  Move along all, nothing to see here.
 


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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Feb 2009 at 6:43pm
Originally posted by Rev.

Originally posted by DST4ME

a 295 GTX is a dual card and a sli card, it is basically 2 x 260, same with 9800 gx2, thats a dual card also and can run high resolution on hi settings.

 

So, you think a 9800GX2 will outperform a GTX 285 because "it is a dual GPU".

 

Smile



Am I the only one that has no clue how rev comes up with this stuff?

did anybody else other then rev think I said that a 9800gx2 out performs a 285?

cause I keep reading my post and all I see myself saying is that a 295 is a dual card and so is 9800 gx2.

I can't see how anybody would get what the rev is saying, specially sense I never even mentioned the 285 at all to begin with.

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  Quote Rev. Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Feb 2009 at 6:53pm
The OP is getting ready to order a prebuilt with the "i7 920/280 GTX"
 
The prebuilts come with the 285 according to the site,
 
You told him he needed multiple GPUs for his 22" moniter.  That is how this discussion even started.
 
Now you say a 9800X2 can run games at high setting because it is a dual GPU...
 
Yes, it is a dual GPU, that will get owned by the single GTX 285 that comes with the pre-built system the OP is ordering :)


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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Feb 2009 at 7:08pm
I'm still waiting for you to explain to me how this:

Originally posted by DST4ME

a 295 GTX is a dual card and a sli card, it is basically 2 x 260, same with 9800 gx2, thats a dual card also and can run high resolution on hi settings.


says this:

Originally posted by Rev.


So, you think a 9800GX2 will outperform a GTX 285 because "it is a dual GPU".


Smile



cause everything you have said so far follows the same pattern.

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  Quote pwcorgi Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 21 Feb 2009 at 2:25pm
I don't know if it was because Sli tech was new, but to me, it was more trouble than it's worth. XFX said that I had to flash the Bios, because I got the 2nd card later on, and I had no idea how to do that, then I ended up needing a new psu that supported Sli, because I apparently had power issues.

BTW: This was when the Geforce 6600 came out.
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