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    Posted: 05 Sep 2007 at 11:58pm
This article shows that the quad holds its own if you decide to overclock. They overclocked the quad to 3.6 and the 6850 to 3.85, both on air cooling. The quad does well against the 6850 when overclocked. Of course, the quad dominated the rendering arena.
 
With the multithread programs coming out soon and beyond, along with the overclocked quad's performance in this article, makes me glad I picked the quad...
 
 
I'm interested in knowing what the difference would be with with liquid cooling.
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Excellent article. My guess is that with liquid cooling the Quadcore will OC even better since it has a slower FSB, which in turn will allow it to OC more.
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Originally posted by commast

Excellent article. My guess is that with liquid cooling the Quadcore will OC even better since it has a slower FSB, which in turn will allow it to OC more.

 
 
My thoughts exactly...
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Liquid cooling will lower the temperature of the processor, especially under load. This allows us to push the CPU even higher with more juice.
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  Quote Erommelus Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 06 Sep 2007 at 9:52pm

Alex, did you see the part were they were showing the settings that they dialed in? I found it really interesting. 
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Yeah, the overclocking was amazing. And this is on AIR too. I think Intel's new G0 stepping is amazing. Looks like we will have to update our Overclocking Charts to show higher overclocks with the G0 stepping.

I don't know if AMD can provide so much of a power boost. Intel is selling these items at speeds of 2.4GHz when they could be selling them at 3.4GHz easily on air cooling. Look's like Intel didn't want to push so much power so quickly, all their CPU's appear to be downclocked, patiently waiting for AMD to pull something new, and then Intel will counter with something massive.
 
Look at how much power these guys have, and wait until Intel's Penryn comes out! Evil%20Smile


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Yeah, right now I'm glad I picked the Q6600 for my build. I'll definitely upgrade it when the price and time are right!
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More on the Q6600 G0's.
 
 
According to this article, the G0's can get 3.8-4.0 GHZ easily with liquid cooling.
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So, does this mean the Q6600 2.4 can OC to a 3.4 right now?  What was the level 3 stage cooling OC going to be set at? 
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If it is a G0, it should make those numbers easily. I dont know if that's what DS has been using or not. I would hope they ONLY use the G0, since by comparison, outside of the obvious difference seen in this thread, the future profit benefits of the G0 outweigh the B3. People would be more willing to buy the quad if they knew its potential.



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  Quote commast Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 10 Sep 2007 at 12:34am
The bad thing about all of this is Intel still produces the B3 stepping along with the G0 stepping, so some people will get the B3 and some will have the G0. I've already made my request to have the G0 stepping on my build last week and Alex said that he will have someone check on that. I'll have to wait and see.
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Alex said he would take care of mine too--DS has great service!

 
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  Quote Me Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 10 Sep 2007 at 9:43am
So the quad 6600 2.4 is the one with the G0 and DS can overclock that way up with liquid?
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I'm not sure exactly, but I know this thread has got it stirred up a bit on this topic now.  It might be a good idea for the boys here at DS too clarify if this option can/will be available on the Q6600 2.4.  I know I would like to have that done to mine if it is.
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  Quote commast Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 10 Sep 2007 at 8:58pm
As fas as i know Intel originally produce the Q6600 with the B3 stepping (105W). With the introduction of the G0 stepping, the power consumption is about 95w. This stepping will allow the Q6600 to OC more while using less power. Like i said before, the bad thing is that when Intel introduced the new G0 stepping they didn't stop with the B3, it's still being produce and that's the whole problem. There are a couple ways you can check to see which version you have : look at the retail box (can't, since DS has it), look at the marking on the CPU (not possible unless you remove the heatsink) or use a software like CPU-Z. I still haven;t heard anything from DS yet but i guess i won't know until they ship my pc.
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Here's to hoping we're all lucky in getting the G0. :)
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Seems a bit of a crapshoot then. Either you get a version that will OC on air cooling to between 2.6 and 2.8 on average. or one that can push past 3.0Ghz.
 
I'll second Sonofek's sentiments: here's hoping.
 
BTW,
 
I really don't understand the term "stepping".
 
What exactly is "stepping"?
 
How/why does it affect power consumption?
 
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As of right now, we overclock all stepping, G0 or B3 from 2.4GHz to 3.1GHz

The core stepping will not change this. Some are B3 and some are G0, it's becoming really problematic for us to find G0 cores. I understand the G0 runs cooler, but, honestly it isn't that big of a temperature difference. We are talking about a few degrees only.
 
I hope this clears up the issue between these CPU's.
 
Stepping is the code Intel uses with what type of production batch the CPU's came from.
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Clap

Great news.
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  Quote commast Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 11 Sep 2007 at 1:10pm
Just get off the phone with a DS rep and i was informed that the cpu in my build is a B3 stepping. There's a charge if i want to switch to a G0 stepping, which is perfectly understandable since they have to take out the old cpu and replaced it with the G0 and that's going to hold up my pc for a few more days for testing. I decided to go with the G0 anyway not so much because it can OC better but because it use 10w less power than the B3 - 10w is about the amount a pci card or a hard drive use. It doesn't seem much, but to my thinking, a cooler CPU means that it will last longer. Once again, i was extremely impressed with DS with the way they work with the customer to get to a resolution. Bravo Clap
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is it g zero or go?
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g zero
The only thing that keeps me wishing on a wishing star.
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Man that's just awesome that you can get that specific and DS will go that extra mile to make sure their customers are happy
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We want to make sure you are perfectly happy, if we have to make special accommodations, we will strive to meet them. Finding the G0 core has become a problem though, and very time consuming, so that's why we have begun to make the G0 selection very strict.
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Alex, can you find out which Q6600 I have?  And, how much more is it to step it?  I'd also like to change my PSU to an 850W Thermaltake.

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Well I'm not getting my machine for a while but when I do I'll ask for a G0 cpu when I place my order (if I remember, that is)
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Originally posted by Alex

As of right now, we overclock all stepping, G0 or B3 from 2.4GHz to 3.1GHz

The core stepping will not change this. Some are B3 and some are G0, it's becoming really problematic for us to find G0 cores. I understand the G0 runs cooler, but, honestly it isn't that big of a temperature difference. We are talking about a few degrees only.
 
I hope this clears up the issue between these CPU's.
 
Stepping is the code Intel uses with what type of production batch the CPU's came from.
 
That does clear up the concept of stepping very nicely, thanks.
 
Would an additional case fan cover the difference between the heat generated by the B3 versus the G0 production batches or even more than cover it?
 
Edit: I did not see additional case fans as a selection choice in the customization screens, but is that something DS offers to do, and if so, for how much?


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it is, look under cooling below where it says liquid chilled on the page
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Hey Guys, if you decide to go with the G0 stepping, it's going to take a few days longer because DS has to find that particular stepping and you also has to pay an extra charge. Despite all of that i still go ahead with with the G0 anyway. My build was suppose to ship out today but since i made the change it will be another week before it get ship out, which is perfectly alright.
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The reason why we don't provide drop downs for additional fans is because we don't want to install extra fans when they are not needed. Adding another fan won't cool your CPU better every time, it's best to upgrade your cooling system instead. Perhaps into liquid.
 
Why pay for more fans when you don't need them, that's how we feel.
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