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Q6600 or Core 2 duo e6850?

Post Date: 2007-11-09
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    Posted: 09 Nov 2007 at 1:47am
I'm trying to decide which is a better buy for me.
 
I'm looking to do one thing, game.
 
I know some game engines like the Unreal 3 engine and what not are taking advantage of the quad core tech.
 
But how much is the overall performance increase in using a quad in this particular instance?
 
Is it enough to warrant the performance drop I would take in using a quad in a game that doesn't use the quad tech?
 
Basically what I am asking is, Which is a better buy for the current-gen games?
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For current-gen games, I'm gonna say E6850 (tho don't take my thoughts too seriously cuz I'm pretty n00bish with computers right now lol). Crytek has said that Crysis will see like a 20%-30% increase in performance with quads I think, but right now that statement is the target of much skepticism. Well lemme ask you this, what games exactly do you want to play?
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Team fortress2, CS:S, Warhammer, UT2007, CoD4 mostly FPS's.
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Originally posted by Bryant

Team fortress2, CS:S, Warhammer, UT2007, CoD4 mostly FPS's.

Nice choice of games there Big%20smile
Well for those, I'd say the E6850. Again, I'm not the most knowledgable one when it comes to computers but that's what I think. Hopefully skyR or someone will come and either confirm what I said or correct me if  I'm wrong Wink


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Both is going to run fine for all those games you listed.
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Overclock a Q6600 to around 3.2GHz and you get performance to within 5% of the overclocked dual core @ 3.6Ghz for the games out now and gain a substantial performance increase for games in the future.
 
Tom's Hardware had a nice article on this. To get that sort of overclock, select 1066 RAM, a Q6600, 680i A1 motherboard, stage 3 cooling, and consider the Ultra case. These options *should* get you a 3.15Ghz overclock running cool and stable.
 
Be sure to ask for a G0 stepping CPU, that helps with temps and more importantly, temperature range. G0 Stepping Q6600 processors may only run a couple of degrees cooler than a B3 stepping processor, but they can tolerate 10C higher operating temps. Requesting a G0 will cost, iirc $35.


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Tyler's got a point, although I went with the E6850 (overclocked to 3.52GHz) in my build, which I have had for a couple of weeks, and it is insanely fast.

If you want the absolute best for current-gen games, I would say go with the E6850.

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Originally posted by Tyler Lowe

Overclock a Q6600 to around 3.2GHz and you get performance to within 5% of the overclocked dual core @ 3.6Ghz for the games out now and gain a substantial performance increase for games in the future.
 
3.6 - 3.2
-----------   = 11%
    3.6
 
Or are you using some benchmark based measure of performance?
 
Which CPU to get is pretty much a coin toss. It's hard to perceive a 20% let alone a 10% difference. Both chips are grossly over powered for most tasks. In my humble (yet uninformed) opinion, your going to be GPU limited with either chip.


Edited by Bill the Cat - 09 Nov 2007 at 4:07pm
3.6 GHz E6850,       4 GB RAM, GTS 250,   TJ9, Win 7 64-bit
4.4 GHz i7 3930K, 16 GB RAM, GTX 670, 550D, Win 7 64-bit
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Go with the quad core, it'll be better futureproofing for your system. Starting with Crysis, games are going to start using multiple cores. Crysis will be supporting 3 cores. I believe the first game to support multiple cores was actually Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, but I could be wrong on this. 
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Posts: 0 		  Quote Tyler Lowe Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 09 Nov 2007 at 10:59pm
Originally posted by Bill the Cat

Originally posted by Tyler Lowe

Overclock a Q6600 to around 3.2GHz and you get performance to within 5% of the overclocked dual core @ 3.6Ghz for the games out now and gain a substantial performance increase for games in the future.
 
3.6 - 3.2
-----------   = 11%
    3.6
 
Or are you using some benchmark based measure of performance?
 
Which CPU to get is pretty much a coin toss. It's hard to perceive a 20% let alone a 10% difference. Both chips are grossly over powered for most tasks. In my humble (yet uninformed) opinion, your going to be GPU limited with either chip.
 
Game benchmarks Bill Tongue. If you get a chance, check out the article at Tom's. They did use an E6750 @3.6 Ghz, so the E6850 might pull slightly more, but the performance difference for games was minimal, even now. I think the exact difference was 7%.
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Originally posted by Dashuu

Go with the quad core, it'll be better futureproofing for your system. Starting with Crysis, games are going to start using multiple cores. Crysis will be supporting 3 cores. I believe the first game to support multiple cores was actually Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, but I could be wrong on this. 


Vanguard barely supports duo core =\ First game to support 3 or more cores was Supreme Commander.
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im still confused, what's the final answer??
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Depends on who you ask =).
 
My answer is a quad. If the new games don't make use of all 4 cores, who cares given the price of a Q6600 now, since you're so close in performance to the best dual cores on the same titles? If the next gen of games coming out *do* end up using them more, you will definately care. That makes the quad a safer bet in my opinion.
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