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  Quote CloveMan3 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Topic: Question about Raid 0 vs SSD configs.
    Posted: 25 Apr 2009 at 9:07am
Hello, after researching custom build companies for about a month, I'm very close to pulling the trigger on a DS gaming system.  The only question I have is whether there's any speed /access advantage of an SSD vs a RAID 0 velociraptor config?  I have two system tickets to compare and I'd like your input/reviews.  Thanks in advance!
 
First the Raid 0 Velociraptors set-up:
Ticket Number: 273696
Total Price with Instant Savings: $3,731.00
Direct Load URL:
http://www.digitalstormonline.com/comploadsaved.asp?id=273696

Copy of Specifications:
Chassis Model: Digital Storm 950Si
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (Quad Core)
Motherboard: EVGA X58 3X SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports Triple SLI or CrossFire)
System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1600MHz Mushkin (Highly Recommended) (Digital Storm Certified)
Power Supply: 1000W Corsair HX (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition)
Card Reader: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 2x (150GB Western Digital VelociRaptor (10K RPM) (16MB Cache) (SATA) (Extreme Speed)
Set 1 Raid Options: Configure HDD Set 1 to a Raid 0 Config - Stripe Performance (Requires Two HDDs)
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: 1x (1.5TB Seagate Barracuda (7200 RPM) (32MB Cache) (SATA) (Extreme Speed)
Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x) (LightScribe Edition)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: Killer Xeno Pro (Optimized for Online Gaming) Lag and Latency Reduction
Video Card: 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 295 1.792GB (Includes PhysX Technology)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Creative Labs X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Professional (PCI-Express Slot Based)
Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 2: Cooler Master V8 (Compatible With i7 Processors)
Liquid Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a H20: Stage 3 Cooling System Selected
Chassis Airflow: Upgrade Chassis With Zalman Performance Fans (Up to 6 Fans)
Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Blue)
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: 950Si Case Only: Processor & Video Card Area: Drill and Mount Two Side Window 120mm Fan Blow-Holes
Boost Processor: Yes, Overclock the processor as much as possible with complete stability
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Dual Boot (Windows XP Home & Windows Vista Home Premium (64-Bit Edition)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Benchmarking: - No Thanks
Install/Test Game: - No Thanks
LCD Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-10 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty

 
Next the SSD set up:
Ticket Number: 273699
Total Price with Instant Savings: $3,897.00
Direct Load URL: 

http://www.digitalstormonline.com/comploadsaved.asp?id=273699

Copy of Specifications:
Chassis Model: Digital Storm 950Si
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (Quad Core)
Motherboard: EVGA X58 3X SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports Triple SLI or CrossFire)
System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1600MHz Mushkin (Highly Recommended) (Digital Storm Certified)
Power Supply: 1000W Corsair HX (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition)
Card Reader: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (120GB Solid State (By: OCZ) Vertex Series (Model: OCZSSD2-1VTX120G)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: 1x (1.5TB Seagate Barracuda (7200 RPM) (32MB Cache) (SATA) (Extreme Speed)
Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x) (LightScribe Edition)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: Killer Xeno Pro (Optimized for Online Gaming) Lag and Latency Reduction
Video Card: 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 295 1.792GB (Includes PhysX Technology)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Creative Labs X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Professional (PCI-Express Slot Based)
Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 2: Cooler Master V8 (Compatible With i7 Processors)
Liquid Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a H20: Stage 3 Cooling System Selected
Chassis Airflow: Upgrade Chassis With Zalman Performance Fans (Up to 6 Fans)
Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Blue)
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: 950Si Case Only: Processor & Video Card Area: Drill and Mount Two Side Window 120mm Fan Blow-Holes
Boost Processor: Yes, Overclock the processor as much as possible with complete stability
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Dual Boot (Windows XP Home & Windows Vista Home Premium (64-Bit Edition)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Benchmarking: - No Thanks
Install/Test Game: - No Thanks
LCD Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-10 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty


Edited by CloveMan3 - 25 Apr 2009 at 9:08am
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  Quote Zurginator Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Apr 2009 at 9:13am
IMO, Velociraptor. SSD's really aren't there yet. Although give me a sec for a link, I know of a 15000 rpm HDD.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2000150014+1035507779&Configurator=&Subcategory=14&description=&Ntk=&SpeTabStoreType=0&srchInDesc=

Pick one of them, and DS will use it in your rig!

Also, whoever has control on these forums, you need to change the 'post options' options text color (Edit and whatnot). It's unreadable.

Edited by Zurginator - 25 Apr 2009 at 9:16am
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 25 Apr 2009 at 4:12pm
first off raid will not improve your seektime. second it almost pointless to raid anything right now as there are new ssd coming out this year which will be much faster but and might even drop the prices on current ssds, so just go with a regular drive and then later this year upgrade your HDD to an ssd.

you also have a lot of waste and overkill so lets fix all of that and get you most performance for your money:

here you go Ticket# 273767 --- Price: $2907 (To see this build click here) Price after current promotion $2807

Copy of Specifications:
Chassis Model: Cooler Master HAF 932
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 920 2.66GHz (Quad Core)
Motherboard: EVGA X58 3X SLI (Intel X58 Chipset) (Supports Triple SLI or CrossFire)
System Memory: 6GB DDR3 1333MHz Mushkin (Highly Recommended) (Digital Storm Certified)
Power Supply: 1000W Corsair HX (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition)
Card Reader: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 1x (500GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA)
Set 1 Raid Options: Configure HDD Set 1 to a Raid 0 Config - Stripe Performance (Requires Two HDDs)
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x) (LightScribe Edition)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: Killer Xeno Pro (Optimized for Online Gaming) Lag and Latency Reduction
Video Card: 2x SLI Dual (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 275 896MB (Includes PhysX Technology)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Creative Labs X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Professional (PCI-Express Slot Based)
Extreme Cooling: AIR: Stage 2: Cooler Master V8 (Compatible With i7 Processors)
Liquid Color:- Not Applicable, I do not have a H20: Stage 3 Cooling System Selected
Chassis Airflow: Upgrade Chassis With Zalman Performance Fans (Up to 6 Fans)
Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (Blue)
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Yes, Overclock the processor as much as possible with complete stability
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Dual Boot (Windows XP Home & Windows Vista Home Premium (64-Bit Edition)
Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Benchmarking: - No Thanks
Install/Test Game: - No Thanks
LCD Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-10 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty

what you do is when you get the ssd later this year then push the 500GB to HDD2 for storage and use the new ssd for HDD1 for os/apps/games.

but if you sill want to go with raid, then raid 2 vertex but it will cost you a lot more then if you wait. all raid does it helps things load faster, it does not help your fps, it just helps your load time.
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  Quote CloveMan3 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Apr 2009 at 10:38am
DST4ME thanks for all the advice! 
 
What would be the advantage of the two 275s vs a single 295 card?
 
There seems to be only about a $9 difference between the the two options.  Also, since I'm gonna be using Air Cooling, wouldn't having the one 295 generate less heat than the pair of 275's?
 
Of course, if the two 275s just beat the 295 hands down, then it's a moot point. 
 
I want whatever will give me the best performance and FPS with as much bells and whistles I can get playing on my 24" LCD.


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  Quote Zurginator Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Apr 2009 at 12:48pm
I think overall the 2 275 would give slightly better performance. They would generate as much heat as a 295, but due to the fact that each card has it's own cooler, they would remain cooler themselves.
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 26 Apr 2009 at 4:45pm
I see the prices have changed again here, otherwise 2 x 275 used to be cheaper here then the 295.

well for games that don't support sli the 275 setup will do better.

if your games support sli go with 295 if not go with sli 275, but ask how long you have to wait for a 295 if you choose that.

ya the 2 x 275 should run cooler cause you have a fan for each core.
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  Quote justin.kerr Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Apr 2009 at 9:52am

SSD's are not a very good value yet, but I am very happy with my SSD's lol.  The Vertex is getting better, but  Ifeel that the launched them to early.. So many firmware updates, and the firmware update erases all data.. That is why I went with 3 Intel X-25's. couldn't be happier!  My other computer,(also i7) I have two fast HDD's in raid 0, and there is no comparison.

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  Quote Zardoz8719 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Apr 2009 at 10:58am

...there you go throwing "logic" (value) into the mix.  I want what I want when I want it.  Good info on the (many) firmware updates.  And, GLAD you're happy with the 3-intel's... Ermm



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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 27 Apr 2009 at 4:30pm
if you are not having problems you don't need to do the firmware updates, but the fact that inel is slc is a big deal on its own.

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