Question for you more... experienced people.Post Date: 2008-09-30 |
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Tattters
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Topic: Question for you more... experienced people. Posted: 30 Sep 2008 at 2:30am |
Alright, well today I decided it was time to get a new computer. I
purchased my previous system from ibuypower and I was a bit... less
than satisfied. My friend told me to try here this time so I am.
So what I really disliked about my last system was the noise... So as a result I wanted to go with liquid cooling this time. However, I have no idea how this stuff works. Do I have to drain it or anything? And is it a hassle to maintain, and most importantly, is it worth it? Also, if you guys see anything bad about my current config please fix it! I currently have dual Samsung 2253LW 22" monitors in case you were wondering... :P http://digitalstormonline.com/comploadsaved.asp?id=188811 not sure if I did this right :\ Anyway... Thanks, Brian |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 30 Sep 2008 at 2:41am |
hey T, liquid cooling is well worth it, you get a cooler, more stable, more quiet and faster PC.
all you do is check the level once or twice a month, if you go with the HAF case you can just add liquid from outside, other then that, you need to flush it once every 5 years. there is some gargling noise, but then the problem with noise is that, its a matter of perception. I will be back with my recommendation after I look at your ticket Edited by DST4ME - 30 Sep 2008 at 2:44am |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 30 Sep 2008 at 2:42am |
here you go Ticket# 188819 --- Price: $3439 (To see this build click here)
Copy of Specifications: Chassis: Cooler Master HAF 932 Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Power Supply: 1000W PC Power & Cooling (Turbo-Cool Edition) (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 2.83GHz (1333MHz FSB) (12MB Cache) Motherboard: nVidia 790i Ultra Core 2 Quad (nForce 790i Ultra SLI) (DDR3 Only) System Memory: 4GB DDR3 1333MHz OCZ Card Reader: - No Thanks Hard Drive 1: 300GB Western Digital VelociRaptor (10K RPM) (16MB Cache) (Extreme Speed) Hard Drive 2: 500GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA) Raid Option: - No Thanks Hard Drive 3: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x) (LightScribe Edition) Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks Wireless Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: 2x SLI Dual (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260 896MB (Includes PhysX Technology) TV Tuner: - No Thanks Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio Extreme Cooling: Liquid Chilled FrostBite CPU Only Internal Lighting: Blizzard Internal Lighting (Red Edition) (Cold Cathode Tubes) Modifications: LCD Temperature Display & Fan Controller Boost Processor: Yes, Overclock the processor as much as possible with complete stability Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Boost Memory: Yes, Overclock memory timings (Includes Memory Fan Kit Installed) Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) (For Enthusiasts) Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based) Protection: - No Thanks Office: - No Thanks Benchmarking: - No Thanks Install/Test Game: - No Thanks LCD Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks External Storage: - No Thanks |
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Tattters
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Quote Reply Posted: 30 Sep 2008 at 2:49am |
Alright, thanks!
Something I forgot to ask. Should I go with Vista or XP? And if Vista, 32 bit or 64? Also, I'm not too familiar with the RAM deal. I do a lot of work with video and photo editing and the occasional game as well. My friend told me to go for as much RAM as possible. Will the one you chose work fine or what? Haha wow I feel so stupid :P Thanks Brian |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 30 Sep 2008 at 2:59am |
With all due respect, your friends are wrong.
4GB of ram is plenty, unless you do some heavy 3D graphic work, 32bit OS can only address 4GB total ram, you have 2 x 896MB ram in the GPU and then 4GB of ram in sticks. thats total of 5.768GB of ram, 32bit can use only 4 of that, 64bit will see and use all of that. vista 64 is the way to go for sure when choosing ram, always match your ram speed to the CPU's FSB speed, so you got the q9550 which has the FSB of 1333 so your ram should be 1333, thats your safe bet. I choose OCZ for the brand and not corsair, cause corsair has been crapping out. don't feel stupid, everybody had to start some where Edited by DST4ME - 30 Sep 2008 at 3:01am |
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Tattters
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Quote Reply Posted: 30 Sep 2008 at 3:04am |
Hahah yeah I'm glad I didn't just blindly trust her then :P
Thanks for all the help! |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 30 Sep 2008 at 3:15am |
I sure they mean well and had the best of intentions.
now you all can be clear, here is how it works, more ram you get, more multi tasking you can do, the higher the seed of the ram the faster your PC will be. How ever you need to understand for example if you have DDR2 667MHz ram today and you replace the ram with say DDR2 1066MHz ram, you will not notice any difference in speed. In over clocking, higher speed rams could get you better OC speeds and stability. so now you know, the more ram means more multitasking, it does not provide more speed, even faster ram won't provide noticeable speed. If you want to be sure, always do your own leg work |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 30 Sep 2008 at 3:30am |
Hey I just had a look, I think you should go with the q9650 instead so:
here you go Ticket# 188825 --- Price: $3576 (To see this build click here) Copy of Specifications: Chassis: Cooler Master HAF 932 Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Power Supply: 1000W Corsair HX (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650 3.0GHz (1333MHz FSB) (12MB Cache) Motherboard: nVidia 790i Ultra Core 2 Quad (nForce 790i Ultra SLI) (DDR3 Only) System Memory: 4GB DDR3 1333MHz OCZ Card Reader: - No Thanks Hard Drive 1: 300GB Western Digital VelociRaptor (10K RPM) (16MB Cache) (Extreme Speed) Hard Drive 2: 500GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA) Raid Option: - No Thanks Hard Drive 3: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x) (LightScribe Edition) Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks Wireless Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: 2x SLI Dual (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260 896MB (Includes PhysX Technology) TV Tuner: - No Thanks Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio Extreme Cooling: Liquid Chilled FrostBite CPU Only Internal Lighting: Blizzard Internal Lighting (Blue Edition) (Cold Cathode Tubes) Modifications: LCD Temperature Display & Fan Controller Boost Processor: Yes, Overclock the processor as much as possible with complete stability Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Boost Memory: Yes, Overclock memory timings (Includes Memory Fan Kit Installed) Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) (For Enthusiasts) Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based) Protection: - No Thanks Office: - No Thanks Benchmarking: - No Thanks Install/Test Game: - No Thanks LCD Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks my keyboard comes with a mouse External Storage: - No Thanks Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty I also had to change your psu, didn't catch it the first time. also recommend you raise your warranty to 5 years. Edited by DST4ME - 30 Sep 2008 at 3:35am |
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Tattters
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Quote Reply Posted: 30 Sep 2008 at 7:32pm |
So getting the better processor is worth the price?
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 30 Sep 2008 at 7:35pm |
its up to you, to me it is but to you it may not be.
since we are overclocking, the q9650 starts at 3.0GHz thus being able to give you a higher more stable speed. with your system, for the q9650 I would expect to see your OC speed to be around 3.8 to 4.0, with a q9550 I would expect your OC speed to be 3.4 to 3.6. so you decide if the price is worth the speed gain. faster speed is always better but you have to see if its worth it for you. Edited by DST4ME - 30 Sep 2008 at 7:36pm |
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Tyler Lowe
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Quote Reply Posted: 30 Sep 2008 at 11:49pm |
The Q9650 is a half multiplier faster than a Q9550 (9x versus 8.5x). The difference in clocks is going to be no more than 220MHz or so when overclocking, and potentially less, depending on the maximum FSB clock the motherboard can achieve. I would expect the OC speed of the 9550 to fall somewhere close to what DST suggested with air cooling, and the 9650 to be between 3.6 and 3.8GHz, if all other components cooperate. With Liquid cooling, you may see an additional 200MHz or so, but this is far from garanteed. What you will definitely gain is greater system stability, and a tendency to fall towards the higher of the two listed clocks for each CPU. It would be better to use DDR3 1600 or even DDR3 1800 if you want the absolute best chance at coaxing any additional speed from your CPU. With the 790i, my opinion is that your best value for overclocking either of those two quads is the 1600MHz RAM.
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 01 Oct 2008 at 12:05am |
just FYI, all the q9550 I have seen on this board with liquid cooling is 3.6, the only one person I saw had 3.8 was HM and that was with ddr2.
but all your calculation are right. |
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Tyler Lowe
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Quote Reply Posted: 01 Oct 2008 at 1:15am |
This is to be expected. With NVidia motherboards, overclocking quad cores, the way I expect things to pan out:
680i/750i: ~375MHz
780i: ~400Mhz
790i:~425MHz
I will never stop being surprised by what some individual motherboard samples can or cannot do, but these are where I expect to see these motherboards perform. For each motherboard, you might be able to squeeze an additional ~25Mhz or even more rarely ~50MHz or so if you select fast enough RAM and go with the best possible cooling. Nothing is garanteed when overclocking, but maybe folks will find this useful as a rule of thumb to guestimate results. CPU's can also be a limiting factor, so you can't apply this as a blanket statement, but it's somewhere to start.
Harleyman's OC was an 8.5x multi, and the result was 3800MHz. From this, you can see the base clock was at 450Mhz, which is the extreme end of what I would expect as possible from that motherboard. This may explain why he eventually had so many instability issues. More typical results would be 400x8.5, or 3400MHz, with the higher end normally stopping at 425Mhz x 8.5, or 3600Mhz. With the 790i, I would expect more overclocks in the 3600MHz range than you see with the 780i, and a few instances of systems running at 3800MHz. That would place the extreme edge at 4037Mhz, but you very rarely see anything like that result on Nvidia motherboards, and most of the time it requires voltage levels no one would run every day. Edited by Tyler Lowe - 01 Oct 2008 at 1:15am |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 01 Oct 2008 at 1:31am |
TL I believe HM said that he had a 780i mombo which his friend told him was not worth much when it came to oc.
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