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    Posted: 01 Jan 2008 at 10:56pm
Hello DS Community -

After months and months of searching, reading reviews, and configuring systems at each retailer, I've finally decided to go with Digital Storm.  I'm pleased with that decision and can't wait to get my new system!

My question is on build times...

I'm moving into a new home (currently being built) at the end of February.  I'll be purchasing all new furniture (new DS computer included) around mid-January.

I'm thinking I'd like the system to arrive at my temporary apartment, as I won't know the final address of my home until mid-Feb (have to register it with city).

Is 30 days typically enough time for DS to build and deliver their systems?  My system isn't going to be over-the-top.  Is DS fairly consistent with their estimated delivery dates?  Or would it probably be best to wait until I move to my new home at the end of Feb?

I just want my new system as soon as possible :)
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  Quote syn Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 01 Jan 2008 at 11:08pm
Personally it seems a bit on the slow side with a tremendous lack of updates on the order page, but I guess that is expected with them switching offices and all.


Placed order on the 19th, and according to the status page is still in stage two (OS/driver installation and burn-in) with an estimated shipping date 3-5 days from the 23rd (which obviously ain't happenin'). I haven't been contacted that there were any problems during the burn-in, so I'm not sure what the problem is.


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  Quote Alex Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Jan 2008 at 12:37am

Sorry about the delay, we just moved to a new facility and we have re-developed our entire facility.

We looked at the issues we were having with our current system, turned it upside down, and reworked it. We are going to be much more efficient now.
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  Quote bubf Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Jan 2008 at 7:22am
Man, you placed yours on the 19th and got to stage 2 already?  Lucky dog
 
I placed mine on the 12th and still on stage 1.
 
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  Quote Salmon Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Jan 2008 at 9:52am
Hmm, that's not too encouraging then to place my order in January.  I really didn't want to wait until the end of February, either...
 
Hate to say it, but that may require me to purchase elsewhere.  30 days seems like it should be plenty of time, in my opinion. 

So this is pretty standard from DS then - long delays w/o updates on purchases?
 
(Not trying to sound negative - I'm just going to be making a lot of purchases at once and like to keep everything organized)
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  Quote George Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Jan 2008 at 6:48pm
I called about 3 times today and no answer.. Are they closed today? (1/2/08)
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  Quote Stryker Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Jan 2008 at 7:18pm
It took only 3 weeks  from the time that I place my order for me to receive it, (new system arrived today). 1 week was due to shipping.  DS called me concerning my configuration and I called twice to get updates and they went checked and were precise on what was going on.
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  Quote CougarX6 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Jan 2008 at 7:38pm
Originally posted by Stryker

It took only 3 weeks  from the time that I place my order for me to receive it, (new system arrived today). 1 week was due to shipping.  DS called me concerning my configuration and I called twice to get updates and they went checked and were precise on what was going on.
 
Seems to be pretty much hit or miss what kind of experience people have then...
I ordered 12/4/07, got a call on 12/22 that the video card I had selected was no longer carried and hadn't been for quite awhile (yet still on the Configurator).  Finally ironed out the video card and order went into Stage 2 on 12/26, after selecting a video card that had to be special ordered.
Then received an email on 12/28 stating the order was now "delayed at the facility" because of a marketwide shortage of my video card.  Called right away and found out the email was an error... they had received the card I ordered and machine was in Stage 2. 
However, the order status page still has the "delayed at our facility" line even today!
Now of course there were the "holidays" and they "moved to a new facility" and the phone system was down today because of the move...etc, etc, etc.
But when do the excuses stop and they actually do what they promise in their mission statement?  I'm looking at 30+ days on a not even close to a top of the line system.
Was initially hoping I'd have my system before Christmas... and then wondered if I'd have it by next year.  Well it's next year...and I'm still wondering if I'll have it by next year!Cry
Starting to get a little frustrated!
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  Quote georges326 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 02 Jan 2008 at 11:39pm
Ordered ours on 11/30 and recieved on 12/17.  Working well; no complaints. Now that the holidays are over and they are in the new offices, the assembly, testing and shipping will probably go much smoother. Actually depending where you live, it's the shipping that may take the time.  Go ahead and order per your timing, I do not believe you will be disappointed.
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  Quote Solo Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 03 Jan 2008 at 12:01am
just under 2 weeks after i ordered i received my system
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  Quote Tyler Lowe Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 03 Jan 2008 at 12:04am
TBH, I would be more concerned about a place that garanteed a time of build, rather than providing you an estimate and attempting to meet that estimate to the best of their abilities.
 
I know of a couple of online builders that will be more than happy to *garantee* a time frame. I also read some unbelievable horror stories that convinced me to continue looking. I will never forget the one about the guy that got a system with all the cables just thrown inside the case, not connected to anything. He calls tech support and gets an operator in India, who listens to his story about the tangled mess of non connected cables inside his brand new computer, and proceeds to go down a checklist, asking if the computer is plugged in, if he's pressed the power botton, if the monitor is plugged in....
 
I looked around a fair bit. The more reputable builders all give "estimated build times". If you select a builder that has a high value/quality to price ratio, the downside is, they're going to be in demand. Personally, I think the system I recieved was worth the small hiccups in delivery time along the way. Each person must decide for themselves where they want to spend their money. Just beware the businesses that are happy to garantee things that they may not be able to deliver on. 
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  Quote Salmon Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 03 Jan 2008 at 12:07am
Wow, a lot of inconsistency.  Well, my purchase time will be around Jan 20.  I guess I can always check back in around that time to see if the facility move has improved things.
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  Quote Salmon Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 03 Jan 2008 at 12:10am
Originally posted by Tyler Lowe

TBH, I would be more concerned about a place that garanteed a time of build, rather than providing you an estimate and attempting to meet that estimate to the best of their abilities.
 
I know of a couple of online builders that will be more than happy to *garantee* a time frame. I also read some unbelievable horror stories that convinced me to continue looking. I will never forget the one about the guy that got a system with all the cables just thrown inside the case, not connected to anything. He calls tech support and gets an operator in India, who listens to his story about the tangled mess of non connected cables inside his brand new computer, and proceeds to go down a checklist, asking if the computer is plugged in, if he's pressed the power botton, if the monitor is plugged in....
 
I looked around a fair bit. The more reputable builders all give "estimated build times". If you select a builder that has a high value/quality to price ratio, the downside is, they're going to be in demand. Personally, I think the system I recieved was worth the small hiccups in delivery time along the way. Each person must decide for themselves where they want to spend their money. Just beware the businesses that are happy to garantee things that they may not be able to deliver on. 


That's a good point, but it's less a guarantee of delivery, and more a typical estimate of how fast DS turns systems around.  I won't have my new home's address finalized until around 2/21, moving in 2/28.  I'm just being selfish and want my new system when I move into the new home... so if 30 days seems reasonable for DS, I'll make my purchase on Jan 20 and be set for delivery at my current address.  That's all I'm trying to determine - whether it's feasible.

Let's be realistic.  Waiting one more month isn't going to kill me or anything Embarrassed
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  Quote Solo Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 03 Jan 2008 at 12:12am
ok man if you're more concerned about an exact delivery time don't order from DSO.
 
DSO will hold your system if it has a faulty part after they test it.  I paid money to have my system rush produced, I.E. moved to the front of the line.  It had 2 bad video cards in a row, and I didn't receive it when they said I would get it, took twice as long.
 
I would tell you I am glad I received a working computer rather than one that was hastily built and did not work.
 
 
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  Quote Tyler Lowe Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 03 Jan 2008 at 12:16am
That's not a bad idea Salmon, but remember, some of the delays people experience have to do with DSO's commitment to shipping only systems that are 100% stable through a 72 Hr torture test. Your computer can go smoothly through to stage 3 and end up delayed due to stability or heat issues. Because their commitment to quality is extreme, there is always a chance for delay, no matter how streamlined their process becomes.
 
The best advice I can offer up, is to place the order when you have the time to allow them to build something you will enjoy for years to come.
 
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Originally posted by Salmon


Let's be realistic.  Waiting one more month isn't going to kill me or anything Embarrassed
 
There ya go! Tongue


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I see it as you have two possibilities with building fast vs slow.

You could get it quickly produced like cyberpower or other companies, but get a computer that is loose, has dents or doesn't even function with leaking liquid cooling.(true story).  but hey, you get it on time Smile.

Or.. you could give them time to correctly assemble the computer so that it is exactly what you wanted or even better.  A couple weeks is very small in the scheme of things.  I would chose a slow delivery with a good computer than a prompt delivery without a functioning computer.
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  Quote bubf Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 03 Jan 2008 at 4:25am

I'm all for a commitment to quality, that's why i chose DSO, and I shopped around for months.

The only thing that bugs me are the 2 people in this thread that ordered theirs after me, theirs are built, test and 1 delivered.  I just talked to a customer service guy and he said "looks like they are going to start it today".  Which is the same thing I heard around the 19th of December :) 

 



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  Quote Tyler Lowe Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 03 Jan 2008 at 9:42am
Stay on 'em. DSO does a *really* nice job building computers, but they are not perfect. If you feel as though your machine's build isn't progressing, or you're getting conflicting answers, contact Dave Dashuu or Alex Alex directly through the forum mail and have them get to the bottom of the issue.
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I'm sharing a bit of the build frustration a lot of people go through here.

Sure, I've been billed a hefty chunk of change to have a system built - but at the same time, I'm my own worst enemy with regards to it.

I didn't go for a simple system, I have water cooling, I have overclocking, I have even had to upgrade because of parts that aren't in stock and I've added an extra video card in to be a pain in the ass.

Do I want my machine here so I can get down to enjoying it? Absolutely.

Is it worth bitching and moaning about it not being here yet or that it's not coming on "X" date? Not really.

I got my car custom made - I was able to watch it go through the production line, to the lot, track it on a cargo ship across the ocean, watched it get held up in New Jersey pending inspection and finally delivered. A "4-6 Week Window" took 67 days.

In the end, I've had my car for 5 years, haven't had a single problem with it and I still giggle like a little kid when I zip around the big ol' Buses in Downtown Boston while I'm heading into work in the morning.

If you think it's frustrating waiting on your machine to be built properly out of the blocks - how much more frustrating do you think it'll be going for Warranty Work once you've gotten all installed and up and running on the box and it dies a week or two into gaming?

Your choice, really...

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  Quote EdH63 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 03 Jan 2008 at 10:53am
Originally posted by Akkim

I'm sharing a bit of the build frustration a lot of people go through here.

Sure, I've been billed a hefty chunk of change to have a system built - but at the same time, I'm my own worst enemy with regards to it.

I didn't go for a simple system, I have water cooling, I have overclocking, I have even had to upgrade because of parts that aren't in stock and I've added an extra video card in to be a pain in the ass.

Do I want my machine here so I can get down to enjoying it? Absolutely.

Is it worth bitching and moaning about it not being here yet or that it's not coming on "X" date? Not really.

I got my car custom made - I was able to watch it go through the production line, to the lot, track it on a cargo ship across the ocean, watched it get held up in New Jersey pending inspection and finally delivered. A "4-6 Week Window" took 67 days.

In the end, I've had my car for 5 years, haven't had a single problem with it and I still giggle like a little kid when I zip around the big ol' Buses in Downtown Boston while I'm heading into work in the morning.

If you think it's frustrating waiting on your machine to be built properly out of the blocks - how much more frustrating do you think it'll be going for Warranty Work once you've gotten all installed and up and running on the box and it dies a week or two into gaming?

Your choice, really...

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(I will post the full timeline of my order / delivery and everything once I receive the system.. should make for some "12-step" assistance for others dealing with pre-arrival twitches...)


You know, this is the mature and practical side of the human nature.  Unfortunately, many people feel entitled and are led by the notion that the amount of money I spend and the lack of patience I have entitle me to another standard.

Of course, mistakes will be made, deadlines will not be adhered to and above all, parts will not always be in complete working order, but in the end with DS, they make it right.

I like to say sometimes when people just rake my last nerve, "If it weren't for people in my day my life would be wonderful".  Of course, it doesn't work that way.  But, this is what you're reduced to sometimes when others just can't seem to get it as it relates to working with good people that can make mistakes.  I'm sure everyone at DS has the best intention in mind and no one is out to sabotage your merchandise.

Some people get it, and some people don't. 
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The wait will be well worth it.  
 
Trust me!!
 
 
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Originally posted by EdH63

Originally posted by Akkim

I'm sharing a bit of the build frustration a lot of people go through here.

Sure, I've been billed a hefty chunk of change to have a system built - but at the same time, I'm my own worst enemy with regards to it.

I didn't go for a simple system, I have water cooling, I have overclocking, I have even had to upgrade because of parts that aren't in stock and I've added an extra video card in to be a pain in the ass.

Do I want my machine here so I can get down to enjoying it? Absolutely.

Is it worth bitching and moaning about it not being here yet or that it's not coming on "X" date? Not really.

I got my car custom made - I was able to watch it go through the production line, to the lot, track it on a cargo ship across the ocean, watched it get held up in New Jersey pending inspection and finally delivered. A "4-6 Week Window" took 67 days.

In the end, I've had my car for 5 years, haven't had a single problem with it and I still giggle like a little kid when I zip around the big ol' Buses in Downtown Boston while I'm heading into work in the morning.

If you think it's frustrating waiting on your machine to be built properly out of the blocks - how much more frustrating do you think it'll be going for Warranty Work once you've gotten all installed and up and running on the box and it dies a week or two into gaming?

Your choice, really...

--Akkim
(I will post the full timeline of my order / delivery and everything once I receive the system.. should make for some "12-step" assistance for others dealing with pre-arrival twitches...)


You know, this is the mature and practical side of the human nature.  Unfortunately, many people feel entitled and are led by the notion that the amount of money I spend and the lack of patience I have entitle me to another standard.

Of course, mistakes will be made, deadlines will not be adhered to and above all, parts will not always be in complete working order, but in the end with DS, they make it right.

I like to say sometimes when people just rake my last nerve, "If it weren't for people in my day my life would be wonderful".  Of course, it doesn't work that way.  But, this is what you're reduced to sometimes when others just can't seem to get it as it relates to working with good people that can make mistakes.  I'm sure everyone at DS has the best intention in mind and no one is out to sabotage your merchandise.

Some people get it, and some people don't. 
 
I'm sorry but I don't feel I'm immature, impatient or entitled to something because of the amount of money I spent. 
What I am is frustrated with a company that I'm now looking at waiting 30-40 days to get me a computer for which they've already been paid.
I'm sure they're all a great bunch of guys and well intentioned.  But they'll be judged on how they handle their worst day not their best.  What they've shown is poor performance and poor planning, using the holidays and their move during the holidays as an excuse.
What they should be doing is whatever they can to make their customers satisfied.  Not saying well "it's the hollidays and we moved to a new facility but we'll do better.... now."
In the end... my system may be the best I've ever had... but it doesn't make waiting 30-40 days for it any less ridiculous.
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About the delays, I agree that it should not take so long, you are right. That's exactly one of the main reasons why we moved to this facility. It's three times bigger than our original place. This allows us to space out our teams and to dedicate them to certain tasks.

 Now, we are pre-testing configurations before the order comes through, the entire system is put on a test rack first. We install the OS, drivers, etc and over clock the system right there. After it passes our testing, then we allow it to go to our assembly lab so the final touches can be put on the system. Afterwards, we run another overnight run and then pass it to QA and then shipping.
 
This allows us to deal with systems that get too far behind. I understand the issues with the phones, etc, as well, and we resolved it all with a new phone system instead of upgrading lines. Now customers have the option to remain on hold so that they can wait for a CS rep instead of being sent to a voicemail as well.
 
We basically looked at everything that we could improve on and turned it upside down and resolved all issues. We scaled our operations now so that when we need to grow it can happen seamlessly and swiftly.
 
I thank everyone for hanging on tight through this squeeze but we are now out of it and it's smooth sailing now. There are going to be a lot of systems shipping within a week and we can't wait to hear how great they run from our customers.
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"Now customers have the option to remain on hold so that they can wait for a CS rep instead of being sent to a voicemail as well."
 
Yes! thank you!!  I would always much rather wait on hold than go to voicemail (I am NOT being sarcastic). 
 
Keep up the good work- I can't wait to receive my machine!!
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Is your phone/email system down because of the move? Because I cant get anyone to answer the phone or have I gotten a response to an email I sent to both sales@digitalstormonline.com and dave@digitalstormonline.com..

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Please try again, maybe the email went through some cracks. The phone's are online, call 510-490-1122, the toll-free number has not fully switched through yet.
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Originally posted by Alex

Please try again, maybe the email went through some cracks. The phone's are online, call 510-490-1122, the toll-free number has not fully switched through yet.


Thanks for the reply. I called Dave and my question was answered. Thanks guys!
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  Quote syn Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 04 Jan 2008 at 1:14am
Heh, after sitting on stage 2 for 10 days it just got ninja-updated to 'Picked up by UPS'.

Heres for hoping it isn't totally trashed like the DVDs I ordered that were shipped through them (dirty boot print on one of the boxes, and the other was opened and missing the dvd).


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I ordered on Nov 21, 2007 and it shipped out Dec 12, 2007.... not bad at all =)
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  Quote Akkim Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 04 Jan 2008 at 10:26am
Ordered 12/12.
Was informed that they were out of stock of 1066mhz ram on 12/22.
Had a bit of back and forth on 12/28 about how the case they were building in had issues and they were going to rebuild and the order tracking was updated to reflect that.

It's been there since. =)

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As for build times, it's really consistent with any of the high-end system manufacturers unless you're looking for a Pre-fab box...

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