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    Posted: 14 Apr 2008 at 6:55pm
So... Yeah, I want to reformat my comp. Now let me say first say that my DS comp is AMAZING! No problems at all! I am really really glad that I purchased my comp from DS! The only reason why I want to reformat it is because... well I have OCD like that lol. Seriously. I've had my comp for a good 6 months and, as i said before, it's been working great. But I'm just really weird like that and want to completely wipe free my hard drive, then put all my games back on LOL One of the fans was kinda worrying me for a bit, but everything looks okay there now. Back on topic, do I need to know anything before I reformat? Like, should I get someone with experience to do it? Or is it straightforward enough for me to do it by myself?
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 14 Apr 2008 at 7:25pm
you can do it yourself its easy

here is a walk thru for you.

after install you will need to install your drivers for the parts in your pc, like chipset, video card and etc., you have the cd for those I'm sure, start by installing your chipset first then video card and then everything else for best results.

have any questions ask.

but I like to advise you to not reinstall you have nothing to gain at all really, the difference is only in your head.


lol just realized I never asked you do have xp right

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  Quote Bill the Cat Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 14 Apr 2008 at 7:35pm
What you're really talking about is reinstalling Vista. I would also recommend against doing this unless you feel the OS has gotten really screwed up by viruses or Windows Updates....
 
It is straight forward enough for you to do yourself. If you've never installed Windows on a computer, it is a right of passage that will leave you feeling more in control of you computing destiny. Having said that, if this is your first time, it wouldn't hurt to have someone looking over your shoulder who has done it before.  Just be real clear that everything (email, browser favorites, cookies, etc) on your hard drive is going to disappear. Getting all your data backed up and locating all the CDs you need to reinstall everything else is the hardest part of reinstalling the OS.
 
I'm an XP user obviously, but I assume that when you boot from the Vista Installation CD, it will give you a series of choices. One choice will be to do a fresh install which will allow you to repartition the drive and reformat it before the real installation begins.


Edited by Bill the Cat - 14 Apr 2008 at 7:40pm
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  Quote Nomad Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 14 Apr 2008 at 7:52pm
Well to be honest Bill, I don't think I've gotten any viruses or anything like that. I'm running avast! and Windows Defender and I think I've been fairly careful about what sites I visit, etc.
"If you've never installed Windows on a computer, it is a right of passage that will leave you feeling more in control of you computing destiny."
I have not installed Windows on a computer before so it would be new to me haha. Yes, I'm aware that it will clear everything (pretty much why I'm doing it lol). I'm also fully aware that I'll have to re-DL all my Steam games, find all my FireFox add-ons again, etc.
I'm still thinking about it because again, I really have pretty much no reason to do it. I just feel really compelled to for some odd reason. I'm really a clean freak and I know that I've DL'ed large files such as game demos, only to delete them after like 10 minutes cuz I got bored with them. Now, that prolly has no effect on anything, but there's like this voice in the back of my head saying, "All those things you delete leave traces, and those traces are going to add up wasting space!" It's just stuff like that that's being the motivation to reinstall Windows. I seriously think I have OCD Confused

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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 14 Apr 2008 at 7:55pm
ok I feel like a complete idiot for not reading your sig sorry

here is the walk thru for vista

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  Quote Nomad Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 14 Apr 2008 at 7:57pm
Originally posted by DST4ME

ok I feel like a complete idiot for not reading your sig sorry

here is the walk thru for vista

Haha no it's cool man! Don't worry about it!
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  Quote Duke Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 14 Apr 2008 at 8:00pm
I reformatted my system two days ago. I like to go about 6 months myself before I format the system. Its very refreshing.

Other than viruses, its a good maintenance thing to keep the system running 100%. Meaning the [windows] registry is clean too. That registry file as you may know, the bigger it gets, the slower your windows will become. And if you ever checked your registry [regedit] you can still find traces of software strings that came and went. ie. software thats been installed and then uninstalled. They still take up space in the reg.   

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  Quote EdH63 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 14 Apr 2008 at 9:08pm
It really is redundant to reinstall your OS if all you're wanting to do is clean out your registry and disk of trash and clutter.  I mean, you can do it that way and "gitter done", but why?

I would recommend using a registry cleaner and a PC cleaner program on occasions.  I've been using RegVac and A1 Ultra PC Cleaner for years now and they have served me well.  I ran A1 Ultra on my wife's computer the other day after not having run it for about a year and it literally removed 6gigs of trash out of her registry and hard disk... 6GIGS!  It ran all day long, starting at around 10:30 in the morning, all the way to almost 10:00 that night removing and deleting the issues.  Her OS, WXP, runs much faster now because of that.  Hers was an extreme because she's retired and shops and searches on the computer all freaking day long.  Most of the trash that was removed was internet cache and temp files.

Now, you may be a Rainman and count every key stroke and do back door division, and in that case you'll probably need to reformat every 6 months or you may have a seizure.  However, I wouldn't reformat unless you really need to.   
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  Quote Bill the Cat Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 14 Apr 2008 at 9:52pm

I'm fasinated by "operating system entropy". Oh man, I could go on about this for paragarphs and paragraphs, but I won't.

Nomad, do it if you must. It is an adventure. If you don't have a lot of stuff on your new machine, now's as good a time as any. Just make sure you know your Steam account name and password and all the other account names and passwords you use. Getting back on Steam was one of my biggest headaches when I moved to this machine.
 
Think carefully before you pull the trigger.


Edited by Bill the Cat - 15 Apr 2008 at 1:55am
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 14 Apr 2008 at 11:42pm
Duke I'm not sure what you are doing on your PC that it needs that kind of a cleaning every 6 month but I test software and even my PC does not need that after all the install and uninstall for testing I do.

as mentioned CCleaner does a great job of cleaning crap and it has a registry cleaner I like and its does a great job too.

but if you really need to install every 6 month then I think that vmware is probably the best bet for somebody who needs to reinstall often, its much easier to setup and restore.

also again if you need to install that often why not do a fresh install, then copy that install to an external and then every-time you wanna refresh install just copy back the fresh install from the external drive, it will get you a fresh copy with all drivers installed and all in a matter of 2 minutes. you can clone your drive with acronis or most HDD makes have their own software seagate for example has maxtorblast

Duke I alwasy say to each man his own, so if that is what you like to do more power to you and I hope some of my ideas will make that go faster and easier for you.



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  Quote Duke Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 Apr 2008 at 12:10am
DST4ME,

Thanks for the advice, reinstalling the OS is easy for me. I have most of my stuff drivers/software located on my file server so reinstalling everything back on is simple. Honestly, I lied, I just re-installed the other day because my OS became corrupt. Its easier for me to reinstall instead of trying to figure it out. For some stupid reason, my USB mouse stopped working and Windows kept on detecting it as an unknown device and asking for a driver (which there is none).

Anyhow, If everything is fine and dandy I'll leave it as is. But generally, I DO like to format + reinstall the OS at least every 2 or 3 years of operational use.
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 Apr 2008 at 12:22am
lol that I can understand my only problem is that I have so many apps and things are so configed that it takes me a long time to put all apps back the way they were.

so I clone my drive once a week, so if anything goes wrong I just copy the clone back and keep going like nothing ever happened

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  Quote Gary Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 Apr 2008 at 1:14pm
i just did mine 2 weeks ago and it was very simple.My Dell that i had,i had to jump threw hoops just to load my chipset drivers.Im glad im not going threw that crap anymore.Clap
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  Quote MrNanite Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 Apr 2008 at 3:18pm
Actually, I have a friend who does the same thing as DST4ME.  He has an external housing that he has 3 drives he swaps out.  One is nearby, one is the current image, and one he puts in his bank drawer.  And once a week he takes one out of his machine, take it to the bank and swap it with the one that's there.  The becomes the next backup.  He also has incremental backups he does between.   He's told of stories where he's massively corrupted his OS by playing with something and has been able to put it back to what he had previously within a short amount of time.
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 Apr 2008 at 4:30pm
ya it takes me 15 minutes to copy or restore.

I recommend it ot everybody.

how long it takes to copy or restore depends on how space needs to be copied.

my OS drive is 16GB that takes 15 minutes.

so I backup once a week but I copy over the old backup.

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  Quote bucephalusbaghdad Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 Apr 2008 at 9:32pm
are there any decent freeware hd cloners?

ive got a 250 gb external id love to use
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 Apr 2008 at 9:52pm
who makes your HDD?
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  Quote bucephalusbaghdad Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 Apr 2008 at 10:38pm
Originally posted by DST4ME

who makes your HDD?


western digital, though i searched and they dont seem to have a utility that is specifically designed for ghosting or cloning, much less one that works on vista.

really id like a freeware solution if available. ill look into it and post what i find as well.


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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 Apr 2008 at 11:06pm
Ofcourse they do, its called Data Lifeguard Tools.

Originally posted by from Western Digital's site

The downloadable Data Lifeguard Tools now comes in both DOS and Windows versions and was written specifically for the installation of Western Digital EIDE hard drives. If your computer system already has a hard drive installed with an operating system of Windows 98SE or greater, you should use the Windows version of Data Lifeguard for best results. The DOS version is required if installing a hard drive in a new system without existing operating system support. If you plan on copying the contents of a boot drive, Western Digital recommends using the DOS version of Data Lifeguard Tools.


go here to download it

when ever you clone a drive you want to do it when windows is not running

my first clone ever was done with Data Lifeguard Tools back in 2002

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  Quote bucephalusbaghdad Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 Apr 2008 at 11:25pm
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 15 Apr 2008 at 11:38pm
lol not at all, I have been testing software for a long time so I have come across many different apps, in this case for example I already knew that DLT did copying ;)

good luck just make sure you remove the clone before you boot or the mbr of the clone might get messed up ;)
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  Quote bucephalusbaghdad Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 16 Apr 2008 at 1:13am
oh thank god you told me that, horrible things were going to happen. horrible things.

(not sarcastic)


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  Quote Bill the Cat Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 16 Apr 2008 at 10:40am
Boot disk cloning is a pretty unique application in that it is virtually impossible to test the clone copy. (Just look at all the Rescue Discs DSO made that don't work) If you install the clone to test it, it either works or it destroys your system. You have to assume that the clone is good just on faith.
 
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I am a big advocate of backups in general and backing up an image of your boot drive in particular. I've got nothing against freeware/shareware or DLT, but making backups is one application where I want a polished totally professional progam doing the job. There actually is a cloning utility in Windows (ntbackup). It's so tricky to use and so poorly documented, M$ doesn't install it from the CD by default. I'm afraid to try it. For $30 to $40, I'd highly recommend Acronis True Image. It has saved my butt several times in the last six months. It is a Windows app that clones while you continue to do other work. BTW, it's not copy protected. You can install it on multiple machines. You can run it from a hidden HD partition even if you boot partition has been destroyed
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 16 Apr 2008 at 11:12am
I use acronis also but imaging you need acronis installed to recongnise it.

clonnig is much better, works everytime (if somebody does not know how to install a clone let me know) and you don't need anything installed to view it.

imaging actually is more risky then clonning, I have never had a problem with cloning and I have used DLT, MaxtorBlast with no problems.

I'm not sure where you got the idea that a clone will destroy your system.

no matter what you use you can't install a clone on a different machine due to hardware and driver issues. I can be done but you can't take a HDD from one machine and stick in a whole different machine without few hours of extra work. clone or not.

I have not seen any difference what so ever in making a clone is acroinis,DLT or MaxtorBlast and I have tested these myself.

fyi, I have never had a clone fail me.
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