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    Posted: 07 Jul 2019 at 8:25am
Since a former employer has offered to pay my vested pension in a lump sum, I have decided to use a portion of it to upgrade my aging system with something that will not only look good, easily handle the gaming I typically spend my free time with, and last a few years before becoming obsolete. The games I typically play include MMOs and Survival games such as Conan Exiles, Ark, etc, but the occasional new release or beta gets tossed in every once in a while. Ive also experimented with streaming, so looking for something that will handle both the game Im playing as well as streaming without causing either to stutter in case I start doing that more regularly. Currently Im running a 7yr old home build with an FX-8120, 16gb ram, a 12yr old G15 keyboard, and a 3 yr old 1050ti, so its starting to show its age. I havent stayed up with the latest components, so any input would be appreciated. While my original budget was $5000, I bumped it up a bit after picking the following options:

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Chassis Model: Digital Storm Velox
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: AMD Ryzen Threadripper 2950X (16-Core) (Boost Up to 4.4 GHz)
Motherboard: ASUS ROG STRIX X399-E GAMING (Wi-Fi) (AMD X399 Chipset) (Up to 3x PCI-E Devices) (ECC Support)
System Memory: 32GB DDR4 3200MHz Corsair Dominator Platinum DHX (Extreme-Performance)
Power Supply: 850W Corsair RM850x (Fully Modular)
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Optical Drive: - No Thanks
Storage Set 1: 1x SSD M.2 (500GB Digital Storm M.2 Performance Series)
Storage Set 2: 1x Storage (2TB Seagate / Toshiba / Hitachi)
Storage Set 3: - No Thanks
RAID Config: - No Thanks
RAID Card: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Graphics Card(s): 1x GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11GB (VR Ready)
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
HPC Processor: - No Thanks
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 2: Corsair H115i PRO - 280mm Liquid CPU Cooler (Fully Sealed + No Maintenance)
HydroLux Tubing Style: - Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected
HydroLux Fluid Color: - Not Applicable, I do not have a custom HydroLux liquid cooling system selected
Cable Management: Exotic Cable Management - White - (Cable Combs with Custom Color Sleeved Extension Cables)
Chassis Fans: Corsair ML PRO Series (High Static Pressure) (Magnetic Levitation)
Internal Lighting: Digital Storm LED Lighting System
Airflow Control: Corsair Commander PRO Management Control Board & Software (1x Board)
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
LaserMark: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: Stock Factory Turbo Boost Advanced Automatic Overclocking
Boost Graphics Card(s): - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Home (64-Bit Edition)
Recovery Tools: USB Drive - Windows 10 Installation (Format and Clean Install)
Virus Protection: Windows Defender Antivirus (Built-in to Windows 10)
Office: Microsoft Office 2019 Home & Student (PC Attach Key PKC Only, No Pre-install)
Game: - No Thanks
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: APC 1500VA Uninterrupted Power & Surge Conditioner - BX1500M - (NOTE: Ships VIA Ground ONLY)
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: Corsair K70 LUX Cherry - MX Red (Mechanical Gaming Keyboard) (Black/Metal Finish)
Mouse: Corsair Scimitar RGB Optical MOBA/MMO Gaming Mouse (Black)
Branded Gear: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 15-20 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty (3 Year Labor & 1 Year Part Replacement) 

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  Quote HockeyBuck Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 07 Jul 2019 at 2:25pm
Welcome to the forum NightDiver67!    Happy retirement!

One thing you missed out on in your build is utilizing the newer storage tech...M.2 NVME SSD for your Drive 1 selection.   M.2 NVME SSD's use the 5 times faster PCIE bus your unused video slots on the mobo.   Normal M.2 SSD's like the one you had selected merely borrow available SATA III ports and can't exceed 6 GBPS.

For both gaming & streaming, the Intel I7-9900X (10 core - 20 thread) CPU /Asus Strix X-299 mobo combination would be a stronger choice.   

Gaming doesn't make much use of all the extra cores as it's more about the GPU.   The X class is made by Intel to be overclocked, you have enough cooling with the Corsair H115i 280mm cooler...and a Stage 1 OC is free !
If gaming is the primary use of this rig, then you want the I7-9900X... as it and the NVidia RTX 2080 Ti will deliver the higher frame rates over the Ryzen 2950X. Lots of comparisons out there on this subject.

Streaming does like cores &RAM...and you would have plenty of both with the I7-9900X (10 cores/20 threads)
and 32 GB of Corsair Dominator if you do get into streaming.
The suggested Velox Build 2 also includes your added peripheral selections.   You might also consider adding to the DS 1 year Parts Warranty as a good investment.

Oh as you used white Cables...a reminder that the DS Velox case is available with a paint upgrade in white, blue and red.

Velox Build 2   ($5672) Config # 2460784

I9-9900X Overclocked Stage 1 /Corsair H115i 280mm AIO cooler
32 GB Corsair Dominator RAM
Asus Strix X299 motherboard with WiFi
Samsung Evo Pro 500 GB M.2 NVME Drive 1
2 TB SATA III Storage Drive 2
NVidia RTX 2080 Ti GPU
Corsair RM850X modular 850w PSU
White Cable Management upgrade
Corsair ML Pro Series RGB Fan Kit
Corsair Commander Pro control module
DS RGB LED Case Lights

See what you think...


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  Quote NightDiver67 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 07 Jul 2019 at 5:02pm
Thanks for the suggestions, I did have the NVM option selected originally, but apparently it got changed as I was swapping out different options to stay under budget and I didnt switch it back. Im glad you pointed that out. 

As far as the white cable sleeves, I figured they would change colors with the rgb lighting a bit more than the green that I had originally selected.

I did spec out an intel rig as well, but, while it would fit my current needs in most cases, I was thinking about future games that optimize for multiple cores as well as times I have several programs running at once, or decide to take back up projects for Folding or [email protected] Im not just looking to best suit my current needs, but also make it as future proof as possible, as this will probably be the last full build I get. After this, it will probably be just new motherboards and cpu's in the event that something completely dies...



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  Quote HockeyBuck Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 07 Jul 2019 at 8:06pm
You and I won’t ever see games using or needing all those cores...on either brands CPU.      The phrase more than you would ever possibly need comes to mind...lol.

Invest in another 2080 Ti, or water cool everything and your rigs performance would see more measurable performance in gaming from that ....but more cores is really intended for other specialist pursuits.    People do Pro level video encoding and heavy photo work with these particular CPU’s and slay everything.    Actually for a gamer, I usually recommend the other top CPU...I7-9700K 8 core / 8 thread....even Overclocks easier and cooler but performs nearly identical in gaming!      Running multiple programs at once is more about having lots of RAM and 32 GB is plenty.    

I use white cable and tubing in a rig now, and it is a great canvas for your lighting colors.    
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  Quote NightDiver67 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 08 Jul 2019 at 12:12am
I know some games are CPU heavy, and this actually becomes a choke point, even with upper level video cards. Since I dont know how many cores my current games make use of, I simply went with the higher amount to ensure it wouldnt be an issue now, or more importantly in the years to come. Here is the Intel rig that I was specing out that, according to benchmarks, has a slight lead in single or quad core applications, but still lags behind in heavier core loads.

Chassis Model: Digital Storm Velox
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i9-9920X (12-Core) 3.50 GHz
Motherboard: ASUS ROG STRIX X299-E GAMING (Wi-Fi) (Intel X299 Chipset) (Up to 3x PCI-E Devices)
System Memory: 32GB DDR4 3200MHz Corsair Dominator Platinum DHX (Extreme-Performance)
Power Supply: 850W Corsair RM850x (Fully Modular)
Storage Set 1: 1x SSD M.2 (500GB Samsung 970 EVO) (NVM Express)
Storage Set 2: 1x Storage (2TB Seagate / Toshiba / Hitachi)
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Graphics Card(s): 1x GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11GB (VR Ready)
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 2: Corsair H115i PRO - 280mm Liquid CPU Cooler (Fully Sealed + No Maintenance)
Cable Management: Exotic Cable Management - White - (Cable Combs with Custom Color Sleeved Extension Cables)
Chassis Fans: Corsair ML PRO Series (High Static Pressure) (Magnetic Levitation)
Internal Lighting: Remote Controlled Advanced LED Lighting System (Multiple RGB Color Modes)
Boost Processor: Stage 1: Overclock CPU - Up to 4.5GHz via Intel Turbo Boost Max Technology 3.0
Boost Graphics Card(s): - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Home (64-Bit Edition)
Recovery Tools: USB Drive - Windows 10 Installation (Format and Clean Install)
Virus Protection: Windows Defender Antivirus (Built-in to Windows 10)
Office: Microsoft Office 2019 Home & Student (PC Attach Key PKC Only, No Pre-install)
Surge Shield: APC 1500VA Uninterrupted Power & Surge Conditioner - BX1500M - (NOTE: Ships VIA Ground ONLY)
Keyboard: Corsair K70 LUX Cherry - MX Red (Mechanical Gaming Keyboard) (Black/Metal Finish)Warranty: Life-time Expert Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty (3 Year Labor & 1 Year Part Replacement)



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  Quote HockeyBuck Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 08 Jul 2019 at 1:35am
If it’s more cores you must have, the 14 core/28 thread   I9-9940X is about 5% faster than the 12 core/24 thread I9-9920X in gaming.    Only adds $348.     
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  Quote NightDiver67 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 08 Jul 2019 at 5:48am
yes, but that would put me over budget even after bumping it from 5k to 6. If you notice, both builds skip over monitor choice. I still need to factor in the cost of one or more monitors to upgrade from my current ones in order to take advantage of the new graphics capabilities, so need to keep costs for the rig itself under $6,000.

Unfortunately I have to balance top performance, budget, looks, and future proofing. This is why I went with the Velox instead of the better looking Aventum, the Corsair watercooling rather than the Hydrolux with custom tubing, and a couple steps down from the top cpu in both setups. Because I havent researched components since 2012, I can make decisions within a specific product line, but have no real world information to choose between separate lines such as AMD vs Intel, or Radeon vs Nvidia, and thats where I need the advice when it comes to my current and future needs.

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  Quote HockeyBuck Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 08 Jul 2019 at 10:27am
Well, I have put 4 DS builds together since 2011, and most recently a solid Lumos I7-9700K Overclocked Stage 1 / RTX 2080 rig this year that my son uses.    That rig absolutely flies in gaming.   Nothing it can’t do at high frame rate.

I think you would have an extremely strong Velox build with the RTX 2080 Ti / I9-9920X, Overclocked Stage 1.    You could always ask DS if the Corsair H115i 280mm AIO cooler is enough cooling to handle a Stage 2 Overclock (+$99) and in that way you would get the full performance potential from that high end CPU. They might want to step up to HydroLux Light...but that would offer control of coolant levels & color and tubing.   My sons rig has that excellent cooler.

When it comes to monitor shopping to complete your rig, look for an IPS panel with NVidia GSync on board that works best with your GPU from the NVidia tested and approved monitor list.    You will find better prices shopping amazon, Newegg, Best Buy etc..    Dell Alienware, Dell, Asus and LG make good quality IPS panels.
Here’s that link:

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/g-sync-monitors/specs/
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  Quote NightDiver67 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 08 Jul 2019 at 11:29am
Thanks for the link, Ive been hitting those sites to look at different monitor choices, but its been a chore since I have to look at the specs one monitor at a time. Unfortunately Im noticing that I will either have to downsize from my 32" HDTV to 27" for Gsync with the same aspect ratio, or switch to an ultrawide if I want the same size or larger. This will definitely speed things up. Im debating on going with the ultrawide, but not sure how that will affect game display.This is the one Im looking at currently... https://www.newegg.com/lg-34gk950g-b-34-wqhd/p/N82E16824025923?reviews=all&Description=38GL950G&cm_re=38GL950G-_-24-025-923-_-Product
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  Quote HockeyBuck Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 08 Jul 2019 at 11:55am
Nice LG 34” IPS panel, however it’s not on the NVidia GSync tested list as it is AMD Freesync equipped rather than NVidia GSync.   The LG GSync model on the NVidia list is 34GK950G.

The current top dog in 34” is the Dell Alienware AW3418DW.
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Ok, I thought I linked the GK, not the GL... nice catch... If I do decide to go with the LG, I'll have to make sure I dont make that mistake when ordering... I'll also check out the Alienware as well... what are your opinions regarding gameplay on the ultrawide screens?
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  Quote HockeyBuck Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 08 Jul 2019 at 12:22pm
Change is something our eyes initially don’t like.    Lol...I got the wife an excellent Dell Ultrasharp IPS U3417W panel with the 1900R curve at Xmas, and it took some adjusting time but I really do like 34” 3440 X 1440 for gaming now.    On my own rig I still prefer 3 X 24” Dell Ultrasharp IPS 1920 x 1200 (5760 X 1200)...but I am being tempted.
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  Quote NightDiver67 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 08 Jul 2019 at 12:42pm
Im using a pair of 32" Vizio HDTV's at the moment, so Im going to be dealing with change regardless of what I go to from here... It would be a major waste not to replace one of them for my main monitor given the fact that Im moving from a 1050ti to a 2080ti. Even though they are 1080p, I would hate to even think what their refresh rate is... lol

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  Quote HockeyBuck Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 08 Jul 2019 at 1:02pm
You are definitely in for an adjustment period...lol, but you will quickly embrace the new sharper 34” WQHD resolution I’m sure.   
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  Quote NightDiver67 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 09 Jul 2019 at 10:37am
Based on the earlier discussions, I think I will go with this as my final build. While the general consensus is that Intel would make the better gaming computer, because I also conduct research calculations through [email protected], which take advantage of idle cores, I decided that the Threadripper would be the better choice for my overall use. I did upgrade my SSD and PSU from my original build choices, decided to hold off on a new mouse, and plan on going with the Alienware 34" monitor from another source. I didnt select overclocking since the offer will more than likely expire by the time Im ready to build.  Depending on prices at that time, I may go ahead with boosting the video card.

Specifications:
Cost: $5798
Chassis Model: Digital Storm Velox
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: AMD Ryzen Threadripper 2950X (16-Core) (Boost Up to 4.4 GHz)
Motherboard: ASUS ROG STRIX X399-E GAMING (Wi-Fi) (AMD X399 Chipset) (Up to 3x PCI-E Devices) (ECC Support)
System Memory: 32GB DDR4 3200MHz Corsair Dominator Platinum DHX (Extreme-Performance)
Power Supply: 1000W Digital Storm Performance Series (Fully Modular) (80 Plus Gold)
Storage Set 1: 1x SSD M.2 (1TB Samsung 970 PRO) (NVM Express) (Extreme Performance)
Storage Set 2: 1x Storage (2TB Seagate / Toshiba / Hitachi)
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Graphics Card(s): 1x GeForce RTX 2080 Ti 11GB (VR Ready)
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 2: Corsair H115i PRO - 280mm Liquid CPU Cooler (Fully Sealed + No Maintenance)
Cable Management: Exotic Cable Management - White - (Cable Combs with Custom Color Sleeved Extension Cables)
Chassis Fans: Corsair ML PRO Series (High Static Pressure) (Magnetic Levitation)
Internal Lighting: Remote Controlled Advanced LED Lighting System (Multiple RGB Color Modes)
Airflow Control: Corsair Commander PRO Management Control Board & Software (1x Board)
Boost Processor: Stock Factory Turbo Boost Advanced Automatic OverclockingWindows OS: Microsoft Windows 10 Professional (64-Bit Edition)
Recovery Tools: USB Drive - Windows 10 Installation (Format and Clean Install)
Virus Protection: Windows Defender Antivirus (Built-in to Windows 10)
Surge Shield: APC 1500VA Uninterrupted Power & Surge Conditioner - BX1500M - (NOTE: Ships VIA Ground ONLY)
Keyboard: Corsair K70 LUX Cherry - MX Red (Mechanical Gaming Keyboard) (Black/Metal Finish)
Warranty: Life-time Expert Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty (3 Year Labor & 1 Year Part Replacement)
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  Quote Cretae Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 09 Jul 2019 at 12:32pm
Jusy FYI, DS has not been overclocking Ryzens. Since you mention you're not quite ready yet, the Ryzen 3000 series of 7nm procs will be out 3rd quarter. Rumor is the 3950X will be around the same price as the 2950X.

Also, the comparisons between the RTX 2080 SUPER and the 2080 Ti will be out shortly. Be interesting to see how much performance increase there is. Just might save some cash there.

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  Quote NightDiver67 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 09 Jul 2019 at 1:41pm
I didnt say I was overclocking the Ryzen... I said I might overclock the video card (Nvidia), but yeah, Im definitely going to be looking to see whats available come September and how everything shakes out before I hit that Place Order button... And yes, that includes the Supers... If I can keep things under 6 grand and not lose a large amount of performance, I might even move up to the custom watercooling. Only time will tell.... :)

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  Quote SnowandSand Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Jul 2019 at 7:31am
As Cretae stated the R9 3950x(16 core 32 thread) is supposed to be out around SEP and estimated to be around $750. I would take the current 12/24 core/thread R9 3900x over the Thread ripper for gaming (this is what I will be upgrading my 2700x with soon. Also the X570 boards support Pcie 4.0 which means even faster M.2 nvme drives. I believe there are a few manufacturers selling 1 TB drives for around $260 atm.
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