RolnThunder ConfigurationPost Date: 2008-09-28 |
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RolnThunder
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Topic: RolnThunder Configuration Posted: 28 Sep 2008 at 12:37pm |
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Hey guys, long time reader, first time poster here.
After driving the sales team crazy with many questions, I am nearly ready to order my first rig with DS. I'm hoping to buy this system sometime during the upcoming business week. These are the specs I am considering:
Ticket Number: 188109
Copy of Specifications:
Chassis: Digital Storm 950Si Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Power Supply: 650W Corsair HX (Dual SLI Compatible) Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 2.83GHz (1333MHz FSB) (12MB Cache) Motherboard: NVIDIA 750i SLI Core 2 Quad (Chipset: nForce 750i SLI) System Memory: 4GB DDR2 1066MHz OCZ (SLI-Ready Edition) Card Reader: - No Thanks Hard Drive 1: 320GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA) Hard Drive 2: - No Thanks Raid Option: - No Thanks Hard Drive 3: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x) Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks Wireless Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260 896MB (Includes PhysX Technology) TV Tuner: - No Thanks Sound Card: Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer (CLEARANCE PRICED) Extreme Cooling: Air Cooled Stage 2 (Silent Artic Cooling Heat-sink Upgrade (Copper Heatpipes) Internal Lighting: Blizzard Internal Lighting (Blue Edition) (Cold Cathode Tubes) Modifications: - No Thanks Boost Processor: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my processor Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) (For Enthusiasts) Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based) Protection: - No Thanks Office: - No Thanks Benchmarking: - No Thanks Install/Test Game: - No Thanks LCD Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: Microsoft Multimedia Desktop 3.0 (Multimedia Keyboard + Optical Wheel Mouse) Mouse: - No Thanks my keyboard comes with a mouse External Storage: - No Thanks Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty I'm actually already $100 over my budget, so I'd like to keep the price as close to what it currently is. I still have to go out and buy a monitor, so I'm looking for any 17 or 19 inch suggestions. The only 2 issues that now prevent me from ordering this, say today or tomorrow, would be the chassis and video card. I cant decide if I should go with the HAF 932 or custom order an Antec 1200 (any feedback is greatly appreciated). Im also having a hard time deciding between the 9800 GTX+ and the GTX 260, though I am leaning towards the 260. I realize if I settle with the HAF case, I save about $100
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DST4ME
DS ELITE Joined: 14 Apr 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 36758 |
Quote Reply Posted: 28 Sep 2008 at 2:21pm | |
I don't know why everybody is fooled by the price of the HAF, just because its lower price does not mean its not a better case.
here you go Ticket# 188131 --- Price: $1910 (To see this build click here) Copy of Specifications: Chassis: Cooler Master HAF 932 Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Power Supply: 650W Corsair HX (Dual SLI Compatible) Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9550 2.83GHz (1333MHz FSB) (12MB Cache) Motherboard: NVIDIA 750i SLI Core 2 Quad (Chipset: nForce 750i SLI) System Memory: 4GB DDR2 1066MHz OCZ (SLI-Ready Edition) Card Reader: - No Thanks Hard Drive 1: 320GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA) Hard Drive 2: - No Thanks Raid Option: - No Thanks Hard Drive 3: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x) Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks Wireless Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260 896MB (Includes PhysX Technology) TV Tuner: - No Thanks Sound Card: Razer Barracuda AC-1 (Recommended) Extreme Cooling: Air Cooled Stage 2 (Silent Artic Cooling Heat-sink Upgrade (Copper Heatpipes) Internal Lighting: Blizzard Internal Lighting (Blue Edition) (Cold Cathode Tubes) Modifications: - No Thanks Boost Processor: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my processor Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) (For Enthusiasts) Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based) Protection: - No Thanks Office: - No Thanks Benchmarking: - No Thanks Install/Test Game: - No Thanks LCD Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks External Storage: - No Thanks Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty just 2 things needed changing |
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RolnThunder
Newbie Joined: 21 Sep 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 9 |
Quote Reply Posted: 28 Sep 2008 at 3:07pm | |
Has anyone seen the HP1 Razer Barracuda Headset for anything less than $90? http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2479583&Sku=R99-1042&SRCCODE=GOOGLEBASE&cm_mmc_o=TBBTkwCjCVyBpAgf%20mwzygtCjCVRqCjCVRq
The price of the headphones was the only thing stopping me from spec'ing the computer with the AC1. I guess it falls within my budget if I go with the HAF 932 . Thanks for the input DST4ME
I've also been doing some browsing on monitors, only to find that I have been out of the market way too long to know much about whats out there now. I found these but dont know if they are the best things out there for the price.
Any input is greatly appreciated. I want to be blown away by the graphics on my new rig when Far Cry 2 and COD5 are released
Edited by RolnThunder - 28 Sep 2008 at 3:09pm |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 28 Sep 2008 at 3:28pm | |
You are welcome
Have you tried newegg for monitors? |
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RolnThunder
Newbie Joined: 21 Sep 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 9 |
Quote Reply Posted: 28 Sep 2008 at 3:42pm | |
Yup, this is one of the best ones I could find on newegg for a response time of 2-3ms
Oh, and I never said the HAF 932 wasn't great on cooling I just liked the design of the Antec 1200 and the fact that it has washable air filters. I know very little about Coolmaster cases. Definately looking into the HAF more now since it will allow me to get a better sound card . I rely heavily on sound when playing games like COD4. Edited by RolnThunder - 28 Sep 2008 at 3:43pm |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 28 Sep 2008 at 4:05pm | |
well then here is a better look at haf for you:
forget response time, that is a scheme, there is no real way to do response time, now in days instead of Black to Black they are doing Grey to Grey which takes less time so it makes it look fastter. stick with samsung you will get a better monitor for your price range I see an asus here that is recommended well a little over but see if you like that one. Edited by DST4ME - 28 Sep 2008 at 4:07pm |
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Kliebor2
Senior Member Joined: 22 May 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 659 |
Quote Reply Posted: 28 Sep 2008 at 5:01pm | |
I know alot of people like the HAF, I can tell you from experience I love the 950Si, it is a great case, tons of room and great on air or liquid.
Do not let all the HAF fanboys discourage you from enjoying one of the best cases Silverstone makes (The TJ-09) which is what the 950Si actually is. Dave |
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Digital Storm 950Si - Q9450 Quad Core @ 3 Ghz
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 28 Sep 2008 at 5:07pm | |
Sorry boss as great of a case the 950si is, its no match for the HAF, when it comes to vents, better cooling and liquid cooling compatibility, HAF has everything 950si has and more. not only does the 950si cost more but you have to put in 80$ more just to bring its fans up to where HAF is
and I don't appreciate being called a fanboy, fanboys just follow others, I have done my home work and you gonna have to explaining to me why I should get the 950si when for less I can get the HAF that has what 950 offers and more. Edited by DST4ME - 28 Sep 2008 at 5:11pm |
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Tyler Lowe
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Quote Reply Posted: 28 Sep 2008 at 5:23pm | |
The HAF is nice for a steel and plastic case. As a steel case, it needs more airflow than the 950i. The 950i is constructed from solid aluminum and does a better job (much better) at passive cooling. So while the HAF is a great addition to the configuration page, I don't believe it makes all other case selections foolish. Having said that, for this build, and this budget, it makes no sense to me to put that much into the case when you could drop the keyboard, use the HAF and put that $100 towards an upgrade to a GTX280, or even better, a beefier PSU to handle a pair of GTX260's down the road and a slightly larger HDD. |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 28 Sep 2008 at 5:38pm | |
It does a better job at passive cooling but it can't match HAF in keeping the component cool to begin with so you don't' have to get the case so warm that passive cooling comes into play in a big way.
Without the fans HAF has, its the best choice between the two for money, and cooling, it have more vents also. I never said it makes the 950 foolish, I said that the 950 is great case, but the best way to deal with heat is to prevent it, as much openings and fans the HAF has, passive cooling is no issue. It also has little features that is great, like being able to add liquid right from the front, its got a big fan for the HDDs, the 950 don't have that, I don't care how passive it is, its not gonna keep my HDDs cool like that 200mm fan will I mean look at that bad boy again 950 is a great case but I can't say it can cool as good as HAF, I mean come on, its already in stage 3, stock. 950 has a door so you either have to keep that open or open it everytime, thats a pain, just like my old xps, what is the point of that door? drives me nuts. Edited by DST4ME - 28 Sep 2008 at 5:51pm |
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Kliebor2
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Quote Reply Posted: 28 Sep 2008 at 6:13pm | |
May want to actually look at the 950... it has no door...
That is the 850, a very different case The 950 has a dedicated GPU fan, a slot for a dedicated HD fan, and tons of room. The HAF also looks as if it lacks a removable MB tray which can be an issue in some cases during installs. It is a nice case and I have recommend it to people, I just do not think it is the answer to every PC build is all Dave Edited by Kliebor2 - 28 Sep 2008 at 6:13pm |
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Digital Storm 950Si - Q9450 Quad Core @ 3 Ghz
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 28 Sep 2008 at 6:15pm | |
isn't it the tj09?
not sure what you are installing, but look at that pick and tell me what you are installing that is a problem. also all of the high end cases have a dedicated fan for the PSU. the fan for the HDD in the 650 is a one fan that 120mm the HAF has a fan that is 200mm Removable MB tray would be nice to have, I don't know what CM was thinking but its not worth no $180 extra I never said it was the answer to all builds, but it is the answer here. Edited by DST4ME - 28 Sep 2008 at 6:22pm |
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RolnThunder
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Quote Reply Posted: 28 Sep 2008 at 6:17pm | |
I'm thinking that I am going to go with the HAF 932 and put the extra $100 to good use. Now, this is where the budget crisis comes into play.
Do I settle with the Creative Soundblaster X-fi Xtreme Gamer and upgrade the video card to the GTX 280
or
Do I keep the sound as Razer Barracuda AC1 and settle with the GTX260
The choice kills me on the inside a bit here If only I could afford both
Sound is a crucial element to me in game, but the thought of the GTX 280 makes me go Edited by RolnThunder - 28 Sep 2008 at 6:21pm |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 28 Sep 2008 at 6:23pm | |
RT, the HAF is a much better case for you then the 950, If you ask me, its a mistake to go with the 950 and a bigger mistake to go with the creative sound card
I said my peace, now later you can't say, "I wish somebody had told me", cause somebody did. good luck Edited by DST4ME - 28 Sep 2008 at 6:24pm |
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Tyler Lowe
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Quote Reply Posted: 28 Sep 2008 at 7:05pm | |
1. Get the sound card improvement. The Razer is a great card, and if you like good audio, it's worth it.
2. Upgrade that PSU to a 860W model. Later, you can add a second GTX260 to the first and get performance far in excess of what a single GTX280 can provide.
If you wanted to keep the Keyboard in the build, this is how I would alter your current configuration to get maximum performance for your dollar.
Edited by Tyler Lowe - 28 Sep 2008 at 7:05pm |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 28 Sep 2008 at 7:09pm | |
TL, you have read my mind, that is a great build and as TL said, you can go with a GTX 260 now and with that PSU you can go dual GTX 260 later and there is no resolution or game that you should not be able to cut throw like hot knife on butter.
down the road you may even drop a veloci raptor or a SSD in there |
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RolnThunder
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Quote Reply Posted: 28 Sep 2008 at 7:26pm | |
Thanks for the input guys. I am definately liking what I am seeing. How much of a performance difference will there be in having 4 gigs of 800 mhz ocz instead of 1066 mhz. Im not concerned about it either way, as 4 gigs is fantastic regardless...was just curious. Any input on the monitors I have posted, or the 22 inch Asus one DST4ME mentioned.
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 28 Sep 2008 at 7:30pm | |
you won't notice the difference in speed between 800 and 1066, but if you are over clocking the 1066 allows you to achive higher speeds.
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Tyler Lowe
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Quote Reply Posted: 28 Sep 2008 at 7:45pm | |
800Mhz RAM will support overclocking the Q9550 up to 3.4GHz. It's unlikely that you would be able to achieve higher clocks on air with that motherboard regardless of RAM selection. Changing the RAM out was an even easier selection for me than the case change.
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 28 Sep 2008 at 8:02pm | |
well theoretically it would make it easier to achieve those numbers with a higher ram. in this case
8.5 x 500 vs 8.5 x 400 but that as I said before is if you are going to OC which you are not, but if you change your mind, that would be the difference. |
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Tyler Lowe
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Quote Reply Posted: 28 Sep 2008 at 8:20pm | |
You're never going to see 533 base bus speed on that motherboard. You'll probably not see even 425Mhz overclocking a quad on the 750i, and if you did, we are talking a 50Mhz overclock of performance RAM, which should be easy to swing (extremely easy, no increased voltage involved). The point is, the motherboard will be a larger limitation than the RAM when overclocking, and the benefit in this instance of going to 1066 RAM just isn't there IMO. I would say, on air, with this motherboard, that you're looking at 3.2GHz., maybe 3.27GHz . That's a guess, you *might* see 3.4, but you're never going to see 4.5 GHz or anything remotely close to that figure. 1066 MHz RAM would make sense for a core 2 duo based build, but not for the Q9550, at least not in this instance, IMHO. This is why I say the decision to cut it was very easy.Edited by Tyler Lowe - 28 Sep 2008 at 8:21pm |
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 28 Sep 2008 at 8:27pm | |
I never said you would do any of that, all I said was if you can reach 3.2 you will have an easier time maintaining it with ram at 1066 then 800.
I also said theoretically I also said your build was a nice build, and you know if money was not an issue the 1066 is a better choice. in this case with this budget this build is a good build |
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RolnThunder
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Quote Reply Posted: 05 Oct 2008 at 12:56am | |
Order processed on Thursday evening and the new rig is already in Stage 5. Talk about speed and efficiency! I love DS
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DST4ME
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Quote Reply Posted: 05 Oct 2008 at 1:00am | |
cool don't forget to post pics
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