SILENT (not quiet) but DEADLY!Post Date: 2008-09-14 |
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parallox
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Topic: SILENT (not quiet) but DEADLY!Posted: 14 Sep 2008 at 3:49pm |
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I have an old Voodoo Rage SLi which I hate with a passion because of numberous hardware and cooling problems (see my post on resellerratings.com if interested). Anyway, it's time to look at upgrading, as I typically do about every 3 years. I was looking at DS as a potential builder, but I was hoping to get some feedback. To make it more interesting, imagine this scenario... Ok, you and your computer are traped in a large darkend room with a deadly Ninja, and if he hears your PC, he will locate you and chop off your head!!! Now to avoid smart ass responses, he is a mutant ninja, with keen hearing, but unable to hear THX 7.1 generated sound, the sound of raid 0 configued 10k rpm drives from WD, or see the light emitted from an LCD display (humor me) and case LEDs, or feel heat blown out by the fans. In addition, this system will sit in an open enclosure which will amplify the sound a little, and the air in this room tends to be a bit warming than average, 75* F. The only way to kill the Ninja would be to have a super silent (not quiet) but powerful system to run tracking software to locate him and fire a large laser or death ray or some other James Bond style killing device. How do you kill the Ninja with your silent but deadly system?
Now I have talked with a DO engineer, and here is a config we are looking at, if you would change/recommend anything, what would you change? Keep in mind, the HD configs should not change, I am looking at using an HDTV LCD running at 1080p or 1080i, and a THX 7.1 Creative sound speakers. I also want maximum power with maxium stability with little maintenance as possible (no water cooler refilling with having to open up the case).
Chassis: Digital Storm 850Si
Exterior Finish: - EXOTIC StormRed High-Gloss Automotive Paint Finish Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Power Supply: 1200W PC Power & Cooling (ESA Edition) (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad QX9650 Extreme 3.00GHz (1333MHz FSB) (12MB Cache) Motherboard: nVidia 790i Ultra Core 2 Quad (nForce 790i Ultra SLI) (DDR3 Only) System Memory: 8GB DDR3 Corsair at 1600MHz Dominator DHX (High-Performance) ** Might make this OCZ Memory Card Reader: Internal Digital Media Card Reader (Black) Hard Drive 1: 300GB Western Digital VelociRaptor (10K RPM) (16MB Cache) (Extreme Speed) Hard Drive 2: 300GB Western Digital VelociRaptor (10K RPM) (16MB Cache) (Extreme Speed) Raid Option: Setup hard drive 1 and hard drive 2 in a Raid 0 Stripe Configuration (Expert) Hard Drive 3: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: Blu-Ray/HD-DVD Player & DVD Writer (Play Blu-Ray/HD-DVD Media & Write DVDs) Optical Drive 2: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x) Wireless Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: 2x SLI Dual (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 280 1GB) (Includes PhysX Technology) TV Tuner: - No Thanks Sound Card: Razer Barracuda AC-1 (Recommended) Extreme Cooling: Air Cooled Stage 3 WindTunnel (Copper Heatpipe Heatsink & Additional Case Fans) Internal Lighting: Blizzard Internal Lighting (Blue Edition) (Cold Cathode Tubes) Modifications: NVIDIA Enthusiast System Architecture (ESA) System (Install, Test, Optimize Computer) Boost Processor: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my processor Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) (For Enthusiasts) Thanks to all those in advance for your feedback and suggestions on killing the Ninja.
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DST4ME
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Posted: 14 Sep 2008 at 4:01pm |
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here you go $4383
who in gods name advised you of that system? Chassis: Cooler Master HAF 932 Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Power Supply: 1000W Corsair HX (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad QX9650 Extreme 3.00GHz (1333MHz FSB) (12MB Cache) Motherboard: nVidia 790i Ultra Core 2 Quad (nForce 790i Ultra SLI) (DDR3 Only) System Memory: 4GB DDR3 Corsair at 1333MHz Card Reader: - No Thanks Hard Drive 1: 300GB Western Digital VelociRaptor (10K RPM) (16MB Cache) (Extreme Speed) Hard Drive 2: - No Thanks Raid Option: - No Thanks Hard Drive 3: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x) (LightScribe Edition) Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks Wireless Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: 2x SLI Dual (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260 896MB (Includes PhysX Technology) TV Tuner: - No Thanks Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio Extreme Cooling: Liquid Chilled FrostBite CPU Only Internal Lighting: Blizzard Internal Lighting (Blue Edition) (Cold Cathode Tubes) Modifications: - No Thanks Boost Processor: Yes, Overclock the processor as much as possible with complete stability Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Boost Memory: Yes, Overclock memory timings (Includes Memory Fan Kit Installed) Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) (For Enthusiasts) Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based) Protection: - No Thanks Office: - No Thanks Benchmarking: - No Thanks Install/Test Game: - No Thanks LCD Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks External Storage: - No Thanks Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty OK here we go: you don't need a 1200psu, its over kill. change your ram to ocz, with that speed, it was not an option for me to pick you will have to ask them for that and make sure you do change it, corsair has been crapping out lately, so get ocz. when going with 2 cards, you won't notice the difference between the gtx 280 and 260, so save your money and go with 260
if you want a second HDD go with a 500GB use the velociraptor for the first HDD/OS
drop the sound card if you don't need it, if you like it keep it. OC your system and choose liquid cooling, its cooler/more quite and will give you speeds/stability that fan can't
you only need one DVD drive so I upgraded you to light-scribe, if you don't need a bluray drive then don't get it, if you do then add it back in. 8GB of ram might be over kill, if its only for games 4GB should do, if you do some heavy media work and need that 8GB then go ahead
drop the exotic finish, unless you personally have to have it, your money is better spent in cooling and other things
go with 4 year warranty
with OC your PC should run around 3.8GHz, you can always push it further if you want
That system is called the "Ninja Killer" Edited by DST4ME - 14 Sep 2008 at 4:16pm |
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Posted: 14 Sep 2008 at 4:03pm |
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If you want a super quiet system, you will need to remove the 1200W ESA power supply. It's simply too loud. Even with ESA options. You will need to step down to the 1000W Corsair unit (it will provide plenty of power to handle your dual video cards and setup. But, if you are looking at triple SLI down the road, noise can be a problem (a lot of the 1200W power supplies are not silent).
The Stage 3 Air cooling will be noticeable. If you want a quiet system, you must go liquid cooling for the processor at least. Even video cards if possible.
If you are close to your budget, remove the paint job and ESA system. ESA is great but, you won't be able to reduce all the fan speeds down to a silent system.
Sorry but, I don't want you to be dissapointed.
Warm Regards,
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DST4ME
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Posted: 14 Sep 2008 at 4:04pm |
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covered all of that Alex
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Posted: 14 Sep 2008 at 4:08pm |
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Ahhh you beat me! parallox, that is a very creative way to state your requirements with the Ninja and all.
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Rolet
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Posted: 14 Sep 2008 at 4:12pm |
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Yeah, I have the 1200 ESA power supply and my computer is pretty loud, even with all the watercooling. I don't mind it though.
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Posted: 14 Sep 2008 at 4:53pm |
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It's a great PSU. We used it in our review systems many times.
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parallox
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Posted: 14 Sep 2008 at 5:13pm |
Thanks, I figured I make the forms a bit more interesting than the typicial, I want a system to deliver death... how do I do it?
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Posted: 14 Sep 2008 at 5:16pm |
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I check out my ninja killer
it delivers nothing but death
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Posted: 15 Sep 2008 at 12:09am |
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I highly recommend that you switch from stage 3 air to liquid cooling. I have stage 3 and it's very, very loud. I asked DSO to muffle stage 3 fans and add CPU liquid cooling. Hopefully it would quite down my system significantly.
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Posted: 15 Sep 2008 at 12:31am |
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Optimally, you can specify to DSO that you want stage 3 cooling with quiet fans and tuned to lower voltages for quiet operation. There are quiet air cooling options, but I'm not sure DSO is open to special ordering everything hehehe. The Liquid cooling they have seems pretty worry free and low maintenance. The fluid they use is rather remarkable from a chemistry point of view. I wish fluid xp+ were able to release all the info on their stuff, because it's just fascinating how well it works.
P.S. I'm very much into going quiet computing myself. After comparing what people online consider quiet and how reviewers relate noise levels, I'm looking at either liquid cooling for my next system, or going with a HUGE tower cooler with a low rpm 120mm fan. No matter what, when gaming, keeping your rig quiet might cause instability. Edited by widdlecat - 15 Sep 2008 at 12:36am |
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Posted: 15 Sep 2008 at 12:55am |
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Go with liquid widdlecat, its just a better choice no matter which way you look at it.
its easier to add fans to case then it is liquid cooling.
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Posted: 16 Sep 2008 at 1:24am |
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Ok, first I want to thank everyone for the great feedback. I really was hoping that my first run at liquid cooling was just a fluke and it's really not that much of a pain, so it sounds like I may just go in that direction again. I did have some followup questions though.
1) Any particular reason the Cooler Master HAF 932 was chosen as the case? Does it have some type of built in sound proofing, or was it just because it was the cheapest?
2) I was hoping for a raid setup, mainly for the extra space and speed. Do you think it's over kill, not worth it?
3) Looking at the charts, do you think the performance point would be better with one 280 instead of two 260?
4) Why not water cool the video cards? Don't those fans get kind of noisy?
5) Is the Windows tweak not worth it?
6) As far as the memory OC goes, I have had issues with bad timings on memory, both video and on the motherboard. Is there any risks I should be concerned about with OC memory?
7) Windows Home 64 bit instead of Ultimate 64 bit? Any real difference either way?
8) Also, I heard the on board sound can actually slow your system because it uses processor cycles. Think it is worth the sound card? Also, does the onboard card come with any special sound software like creative ships? I kind like the THX setup software for creative.
9) And finally, any hardware due out the next couple months I should consider waiting for? I heard there was a new processor that was due out soon from Intel, as well as new video hardware from nvidia. Any thoughts?
Thanks again, I know it was a lot of questions. Hopefully we'll get that ninja soon. Edited by parallox - 16 Sep 2008 at 1:26am |
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Posted: 16 Sep 2008 at 4:14am |
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1. HAF is one of the top of the line cases we have, its got the most vent for air cooling and its also got room which is great for liquid cooling. don't let the price fool you, its the best case we have as far as I'm concerned, its suppose to be cosmos s successor I think.
2. To raid so you can extend HDD space, if you ask me is foolish for users like us and a pain to work with, you would be better off having 2 separate HDDs, one for your OS and the second for media/personal files. Thats what I do, actually I have over 8 HDDs, 3 internal, 5 externals. 3. the difference is not that much, and as I said it in my first post, you are not going to notice a difference between 2 x 260s vs 2 x 280s. 4. There is not that much of a performance increase when you are using 2 cards, and a case like HAF will take care of the heat from those 2 cards no problem, fan noise can be adjusted by adjusting fan speed, if the CPU is liquid cooled, then the fans basically are working to keep the cards cool. 5. windows tweak is not worth it, something you can do yourself, besides for systems like these, you can enable all the windows services and still not notice a difference. windows tweaking is for weak systems that can't handle it. Anything you like to remove you can post here and we will walk you thru it
6. DS will not send you a system thats not working right, they will take care of all of that for you, make sure you go with ocz (less failure rate, should anything go wrong, its under warranty
7. yes there is a difference, you want to go with premium, not ultimate. anything less then premium will be missing some features and handle less ram, say you want to upgrade to 8GB for what ever reason, if you got anything under premium you will not be using all 8GB. 8. Actually creative has been having a bit of issue, you can always download the software from creative however you can't use drivers for a card you don't have. I don't' know if the on-board will make any difference to your CPU, even if it does, once again its not gonna be anything worth talking about, You want to talk about losing performance? media softwares running in the background all the time will eat more CPU then an on-board sound card
9. Yes, I am waiting for the Intel new chip called Nehalem, it should be a kick-arse chip, but weather you want to wait or not is up to you. hope that helps. Edited by DST4ME - 16 Sep 2008 at 4:21am |
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Posted: 16 Sep 2008 at 8:23am |
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DST4ME know's his stuff. Whatever he recommends is probably the best you're going to get for your money.
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