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    Posted: 12 Jan 2009 at 3:43pm
I need help.... I know that the two new nvidia cards came out. The GTX 285 and the GTX 295.  I want to know which will give me a perfect performance with no lag and setting  set to the max for a smooth playthrough.  Should I get 2 SLI GTX 295 or 3 SLI GTX 285.Wink 
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I would say go with one gtx 295, that would be more than enough for you to get a great performance, I don't think you would need more than one, two or three of them would be kind of overkill. Also, the gtx 295 is supposed to be better then the 285. But, I'm sure that DST4ME will also set you straight on what you should do.. 
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depends on the resoloution you wil be playing at and if you care about crysis. Not sure what is better 3 285s or 2 295s my guess would be 3 285s but I really have no idea.
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unless you are gaming at 2560 x 1600, you don't need those, you only need 1 x 295 or 2 x 285.

if you are at 2560 x 1600 or higher then 2 x 295 is the way to go.

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I wish i could fit 3 285's in my case.. Stupid Asus and there mobo flaws...
 
 
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Hmm.. hadn't even thought about 3 285's when I ordered my system a few days ago... be interesting to see how that compares to 2 of the 295's... meh, either way it'd be some smooth 2560 x 1600 gameplay.
 
Still cheaper to go with the 295's though


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You could buy 2x 295's and send me one, because your not gonna see any difference with one than you will with two.
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yeah I will be adding a second 280 since they have dropped in price to 300$ and hopefully getting a 30 inch monitor soon and going 2560x1600  I think that 1 295 will most likely be enough for 2560x 1600 exccept for crysis.

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Originally posted by JFuller092

You could buy 2x 295's and send me one, because your not gonna see any difference with one than you will with two.
 
Lies! I WILL see a difference... even if it's not an in-game difference at least I'll feel cool?Smile
 
But yeah... probably won't see a huge difference... although playing Warhammer Online with 100+ people, massive spell effects going off, and whatnot on a 30" might actually see a benefit from the 2 295's over a single 295... guess I'll see Ouch.
 
All else fails I won't have to wonder about what could have been.
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http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/268/1050268/101-gtx295-benchmarks
heres the 295
 
 
heres 285
 
Looks like one 295 handles the highest rez just fine
285 you might want to add a second for the highest rez
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295 = 2 x 280 gtx

285 = 10% bettter then 1 x 280 gtx

so ofcourse the 295 handles high res just fine, cause its like 2 cards in sli.


the 285 will not do as well in high res so you will need 2 of those.

the 285 sli beats a 295 gtx but by not much, however that means that 4 x 285 will beat 2 x 295 by not much, so 3 x 285 will not beat 2 x 295.

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wheres the benchmarks dst??
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don't have any comparing 3 x 285 to 2 x 295.

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Posts: 121 		  Quote Dredoric Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Jan 2009 at 6:25pm
What DST4ME said is more or less what I was thinking...
 
Since the 295 seems like a 260-280 hybrid (ram of a 260 and cores of 280... or some such) it'd make sense that 2 285 would beat a 295... and thus needing 4 285 to beat 2 295 (although the difference between 3 285 and 2 295 might not be too much)... then again I wouldn't want to drop the money required to get 4 285... and there'd be plenty overkill at that point Ouch
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Posts: 726 		  Quote XpubuX Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 12 Jan 2009 at 6:26pm
yep I have not seen any either so I think its fair to say that we don't really know which will win. isn't the 295=to 2 gtx260+  not the 280s   . what motherboard fits 4 285s?

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I believe the 295 is a hybrid between a 260+ and 280... or close to

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Originally posted by XpubuX

yep I have not seen any either so I think its fair to say that we don't really know which will win. isn't the 295=to 2 gtx260+  not the 280s   . what motherboard fits 4 285s?
 
... good question? Is there one? Maybe the EVGA x58 Classified? (Can't remember)
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Ya the classified can do 4 GPUs liquid cooled tho, and you need a case with 8 expansion slots.

the 295 is a combo of 260+ and 280.

2 x 280 beats 1 x 295

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but nvidia doesnt support quad sli unless u get a gx2 card right?
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you can do quad sli with 295

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yeah same sh*t as a gx2 its a double card.
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hey they are pretty powerful, they still beat the 280 at 1980 x 1050 res or above.

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Originally posted by JFuller092

You could buy 2x 295's and send me one, because your not gonna see any difference with one than you will with two.


I respectfully disagree with that. If you're gaming at 2560 x 1600, then you need at least 3 GPUs for excellent performance.
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I recently upgraded my build with 2x 285's SLI. I pondered the question of grtting the 295's even if for no other reason but bragging rights. Reasons I chose the 285's are ..
 
Scaling ( generally driver related ) 295's many times do not perform as well as the "single" core cards. Also some software / games are not capable of utilizing the quad core....
 
From what I have read quad cores generally are not supported, and "may/could" be problematic. Again usually driver related.
 
Also when reviewing the benchmarks you,.. many times will not see the improvement untill 2560x1600. Keep in mind in many cases the increase in FPS is moot. Example, going from 120 fps to 185 .... is nice.
 
Still I was going to go with quad SLI 295's My reasoning in part was once the 120 hz monitors come out I would buy one along with the 3D glasses. In talking with James he mentioned Nvidia had demo'd the new glasses with a 120 hz monitor useing a single 260 & it ran fine. Still ..... Then I thought I will be gaming at 1920x1200 (Samsung T260) for now. New cards are on the horizon as is DX11 and windows 7. New monitors (120hz) as i still want that 30 inch display just with better specs than the current offering. Being that I would be hard pressed to fully use the 285's in SLI let alone the 295's, Then the issue of quad cores & waiting on constant driver updates even if it is on only selected tiles. The choice became easier. Keep in mind Cost or "bang for the buck" is / was not an issue. To upgrade was only $100 - $200 respectivly.
 
Just my thoughts. Now back to the wait <sigh> like others I thought no big deal whats a few weeks. Now as my system <as of yesterday> was in the last 24hrs of testing I am begining to "feel" the wait <g>. Maybe with Arizona being so close to California the delivery time will be short
 
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BTW you can find plenty of stats comparing the cards/configuration & resolutions via google
One last consideration for me anyway was aside from the modest (10%) performance increase, The 285's run cooler & draw less power. Same with the 295's compared to ATI. Look up the info both at idle & under load.

Edited by Caymus - 13 Jan 2009 at 12:21pm
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when you say quad cores, you are not talkign about the cpu I hope.

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no ... sorry quad core <gpu's> as in GTX 295 
 
my rig is at stage 5 now.... tick ... tock
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stage 5 is very close

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