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    Posted: 24 Sep 2008 at 6:23am
So..... this is technically a configuration question, but if any of you moderators want to move it into a more appropriate section, feel free.

I have on the DSO I just bought (It's in the mail now! Reviews soon, if I could post in the reviews section), a WD300GB Velociraptor HDD for my primary, and a 7200RPM WD 500GB HDD for my secondary Hard Drive.

I've seen various suggestions about how to install / use these drives to their maximum potential, and I'm not sure if this would be good, so here goes.


Install all programs / OS on the Veloci, and games on the secondary. When I do video capturing while playing games, have my computer record the video stream onto my veloci (Let's face it, High resolution video capturing is a beast for space, and I need every MB / write speed I can get to have my computer not skip frames), while games run off of the secondary... that way, the games have their own HDD to read from for fetching new textures, etc., while the Veloci is busy writing stuff....

yea or nay? Would you suggest otherwise? Is this 100% off topic? If so, slap me on the wrist!
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  Quote Nomak Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Sep 2008 at 8:16am
In short, HDs w/ faster write speeds will perform better.
 
How high of a resolution are you talking about?
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  Quote Jeremiah.L Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Sep 2008 at 9:05am
@ Nomak, I am aiming for at least 1280x720, with as little frames being dropped as possible. If I can do 1920x1080, I'd be all over that like white on rice. It all boils down to if my computer is up to the task, and if the Hard Drives will be able to keep up. With an average write speed of 100MB/sec on the Veloci, I'm sure I wouldn't be disappointed.

@ Harleyman, I don't mind video encoding happening on a slower drive; but when I am recording in REAL TIME, I'd think it would be best to have the fastest HDD take over the writing of the data. Once I finish with my capture, I can move the data off of the fast drive to the slower, larger one and do compressions there. I guess what I'm stuck on is that I'm afraid if the game needs to access something not in RAM (Like new textures), while video capturing, It'd be best to let an idle HDD pick that up instead of the HDD that's busy writing the massive amounts of data I'm throwing at it.

However, Harleyman, I'll take your advice and give it a shot. If I don't like the results, Well. I can always swap drives and see how that performs I suppose.

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  Quote Nomak Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Sep 2008 at 9:12am
At higher resolutions faster write speed = better.
 
But give it a shot actually and report your findings for both resolutions. Ouch
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  Quote Jeremiah.L Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Sep 2008 at 9:24am
@ Nomak

Will do.
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  Quote Jeremiah.L Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Sep 2008 at 9:33am
Doesn't Vista have an auto defragger that works in the background? When the CPU is Idle or whatever? I don't think I've ever done a manual defrag in the (close to) 2 years I've had this laptop w/ Vista. Whenever I tried, Vista always told me that the drive didn't need to be defragged... then again, I never turn the computer off. Mainly cause the 360 in the other room streams music and video off of the laptop.

*Edit* I DO realize that defragging is important however. My old computer (RIP. Rotten no good power supply) would be defragged weekly, or if I just finished a rather exhausting move / copy / delete frenzy


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  Quote Jeremiah.L Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Sep 2008 at 9:47am
Thanks Harley. Let me give that a go, and if it speeds this computer up, I owe you big time!
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  Quote Kliebor2 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Sep 2008 at 11:09am
Uhm... Harley...

Not to rain on your parade, but the Vista defrag is a redesign, from Win 2K3 done by diskeeper. They have written the Windows Defrag since Win 95/NT yes, but the tech is new every release. The Vista Defrag is the same base code as Diskeeper 2007.

So it is not that old.

It is a crippled:
No auto dfrag
No volumes larger than 2 Terrabytes
No invisitask (ie it plods along no matter if you use the system or not.)

Even crippled it is a safe and complete defragger, it just is not as good as the paid for Diskeeper

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  Quote Kliebor2 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Sep 2008 at 1:26pm
And you would rather use self proclaimed beta freeware to defrag your priceless data... yikes... thanks but no.

The 40 bucks for Diskeeper is much safer and a far better solution if you really dislike the windows basic defragger, which by the way works perfectly it is just a bit slow.

If you really do not want diskeeper, O&O Defrag or Perfect Disk are also windows certified and not beta freeware... **shudder**

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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Sep 2008 at 3:14pm
corrections

OS alwasy goes on the fastest drive, you can put your game on the faster HDD also.

media/personal files go on the slower drive (7200rpm)

O&O is a great defrager

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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Sep 2008 at 3:41pm
Its not a matter of opinion.

if you want your PC/windows to respond faster you go with the faster drive, you want the games to enjoy the speed also, then you put the OS/games on the faster drive.

for storage you use the slower drive.

done, to get a system like that then make it windows slow cause it on a slower drive goes against getting a fast system.

Do games run faster on the faster drive? you bet.

so should you install the OS on the slower drive because of that? hell no you install both on the faster drive.

Its not like the 8GB of windows is not gonna leave you room for games in your 300 or 150GB HDD



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  Quote Axel Daemon Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Sep 2008 at 4:00pm
How big are game installations nowadays anyways?
"People believe in people who believe in others."
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Sep 2008 at 4:03pm
Gigs, I have heard 5,10.
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  Quote Jeremiah.L Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Sep 2008 at 4:14pm
Well look what I stirred up lol.

Thanks for the feedback everyone. I'm still tuning in, just watching from the background now...
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  Quote Kliebor2 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Sep 2008 at 4:27pm
Some of the bigger ones like MMORPGs and the newer games with next gen type graphics can have huge install folders. My WoW folder is over 40 Gig... admittedly I keep 1 back patch and a crop of mods, but the game itself is like 28-30 Gig

Warhammer is also huge... around 12 Gig...

So nothing to sneeze at... not at all :)

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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Sep 2008 at 4:45pm
HM everything you see me state, I have tried myself and its from doing it myself that I know the OS needs to go on the OS

I hate people that quote reviews and act like they know what we talking about

I'm agreeing with you that the game is better on the faster drive, no doubt, what I'm saying is that the OS needs to be on the faster drive and the game can also, if you want to enjoy the speed of the drive with the game.

Only thing different that I'm saying is that the OS always goes on your faster drive.

I have Raptors so I have first hand experience

I have been working with raptors since they first came out
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Sep 2008 at 4:54pm
NO HM its not for you, I don't see you quoting reviews.

you got me with the chain yanking

so

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  Quote Nomak Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Sep 2008 at 5:45pm

You debate as a tool?

 

Why not debate in a professional manner?

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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Sep 2008 at 5:47pm
LOL glad to be the resource to our tool

no wait that does not sound right
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  Quote Nomak Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Sep 2008 at 5:53pm

Originally posted by DST4ME

LOL glad to be the resource to our tool Smile

1 vs 1 even
 
Ouch


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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 24 Sep 2008 at 7:52pm
You know whats funnier is the typo, thats suppose to say to "your tool" ROFLMAO



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