Some Comments/Advice on my build pleasePost Date: 2008-10-07 |
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jtspectra2
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Topic: Some Comments/Advice on my build please Posted: 07 Oct 2008 at 10:52pm |
I have about 4500 saved up to build a new computer and after tons of reserch iv decided to Edited by jtspectra2 - 07 Oct 2008 at 10:53pm |
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Nomak
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Posted: 07 Oct 2008 at 11:00pm |
Well, i doubt theres a lot of people on ATM to help you out with this config .
But some things to look at/change: - HAF instead of 950si (case) - Same ram but from OCZ (better quality) - Cool-IT will not be able to keep your OC CPU at comfortable temps. so you must upgrade to Chilled Frostbite - You can get a better price for LCD monitor at Newegg most likely - 5 year warranty is something to look at as well Edited by Nomak - 07 Oct 2008 at 11:06pm |
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DST4ME
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Posted: 07 Oct 2008 at 11:04pm |
are you going to be OCing the gpus or not?
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Nomak
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Posted: 07 Oct 2008 at 11:05pm |
Oh hey, DST is on.
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jtspectra2
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Posted: 07 Oct 2008 at 11:07pm |
Well since im told that the cooling option i selected for my CPU will not handle the OC'ed temp's ill probably use the extra money to OC' my GPU instead of the CPU |
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DST4ME
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Posted: 07 Oct 2008 at 11:07pm |
lol sorry I was upgrading my xps to 8800gts for folding
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jtspectra2
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Posted: 07 Oct 2008 at 11:09pm |
is my build to much for someone that only plays flight sim and call of duty ? i do a lot of video editing and music so i figured i would need a good processor and good ram to be able to handle what i need
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Nomak
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Posted: 07 Oct 2008 at 11:11pm |
Actually you need to use that extra money to upgrade said cooling solution to your CPU if youre still planning to OC it, GPUs you can OC yourself (if youre into that, if youre not then you wont have use for OC on GPUs in the first place).
If youre into video/music editing 8 gigs of ram might be something to look at for you. Edited by Nomak - 07 Oct 2008 at 11:13pm |
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jtspectra2
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Posted: 07 Oct 2008 at 11:17pm |
Thanks! . maybe ill just wont OC anything and upgrade the ram instead. Im sure with a build like this it wont need to be OC'ed anywayz. Anyway. Thanks for everyones help so far. Any other comments or tips will be greatly appreciated. Thanks ! Edited by jtspectra2 - 07 Oct 2008 at 11:18pm |
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DST4ME
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Posted: 07 Oct 2008 at 11:21pm |
never answered my question
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jtspectra2
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Posted: 07 Oct 2008 at 11:24pm |
lol sorry bro. i thought i did. anyway . i said i wasn't going to OC my GPU's because i choose to OC my memory and my CPU. But since i was told i cant OC my processor without upgrading my cooling i decided to not OC the CPU but instead the GPU. But i was then told that there was no need to . so No. im probably not going to OC my GPU's man. Unless someone here tells me otherwise . |
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DST4ME
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Posted: 07 Oct 2008 at 11:26pm |
OH sorry, yes you already said that lol sometimes my head just stops working
ok be right back |
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jtspectra2
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Posted: 07 Oct 2008 at 11:32pm |
so i decided to upgrade my memory to the 8 gigs of ocz and to completely do away with any OC'ing. I'v also removed my monitor since i can find it cheaper at newegg. my new build price is now around 3600 . check it out and tell me what you guys think.
Chassis: Cooler Master HAF 932 Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Power Supply: 750W Corsair HX (Dual SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition) Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650 3.0GHz (1333MHz FSB) (12MB Cache) Motherboard: nVidia 790i Ultra Core 2 Quad (nForce 790i Ultra SLI) (DDR3 Only) System Memory: 8GB DDR3 1600MHz OCZ Platinum Edition Card Reader: Internal Digital Media Card Reader (Black) Hard Drive 1: 150GB Western Digital VelociRaptor (10K RPM) (16MB Cache) (SATA) (Extreme Speed) Hard Drive 2: 750GB Western Digital (7200 RPM) (16MB Cache) (SATA) (Extreme Speed) Raid Option: - No Thanks Hard Drive 3: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x) (LightScribe Edition) Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks Wireless Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 280 1GB (Includes PhysX Technology) TV Tuner: - No Thanks Sound Card: Razer Barracuda AC-1 (Recommended) Extreme Cooling: Cool-IT Eliminator Thermoelectric Liquid Chilled CPU Only Internal Lighting: Blizzard Internal Lighting (Red Edition) (Cold Cathode Tubes) Modifications: - No Thanks Boost Processor: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my processor Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) (For Enthusiasts) Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based) Protection: - No Thanks Office: - No Thanks Benchmarking: - No Thanks Install/Test Game: - No Thanks LCD Display: - No Thanks Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks External Storage: - No Thanks Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty Edited by jtspectra2 - 07 Oct 2008 at 11:32pm |
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DST4ME
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Posted: 07 Oct 2008 at 11:32pm |
Ok, here is the fully loaded version
here you go Ticket# 192388 --- Price: $4537 (To see this build click here) Copy of Specifications: Chassis: Cooler Master HAF 932 Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Power Supply: 1000W Corsair HX (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible) Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650 3.0GHz (1333MHz FSB) (12MB Cache) Motherboard: nVidia 790i Ultra Core 2 Quad (nForce 790i Ultra SLI) (DDR3 Only) System Memory: 4GB DDR3 1333MHz OCZ Card Reader: Internal Digital Media Card Reader (Black) Hard Drive 1: 300GB Western Digital VelociRaptor (10K RPM) (16MB Cache) (Extreme Speed) Hard Drive 2: 500GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA) Raid Option: - No Thanks Hard Drive 3: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x) (LightScribe Edition) Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks Wireless Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: 2x SLI Dual (NVIDIA GeForce GTX 280 1GB) (Includes PhysX Technology) TV Tuner: - No Thanks Sound Card: Razer Barracuda AC-1 (Recommended) Extreme Cooling: Liquid Chilled FrostBite CPU Only Internal Lighting: Blizzard Internal Lighting (Blue Edition) (Cold Cathode Tubes) Modifications: - No Thanks Boost Processor: Yes, Overclock the processor as much as possible with complete stability Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Boost Memory: Yes, Overclock memory timings (Includes Memory Fan Kit Installed) Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) (For Enthusiasts) Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based) Protection: - No Thanks Office: - No Thanks Benchmarking: - No Thanks Install/Test Game: - No Thanks LCD Display: Samsung 24 inch (Widescreen) (Black) (High-Performance Gaming Display) Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks External Storage: - No Thanks Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty --------------------------------------------------------- here is the loaded version: here you go Ticket# 192392 --- Price: $3903 (To see this build click here) Copy of Specifications: Chassis: Cooler Master HAF 932 Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Interior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish Power Supply: 750W Corsair HX (Dual SLI Compatible) (Silent Edition) Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650 3.0GHz (1333MHz FSB) (12MB Cache) Motherboard: nVidia 790i Ultra Core 2 Quad (nForce 790i Ultra SLI) (DDR3 Only) System Memory: 4GB DDR3 1333MHz OCZ Card Reader: Internal Digital Media Card Reader (Black) Hard Drive 1: 300GB Western Digital VelociRaptor (10K RPM) (16MB Cache) (Extreme Speed) Hard Drive 2: 500GB Western Digital (16MB Cache) (7200 RPM) (SATA) Raid Option: - No Thanks Hard Drive 3: - No Thanks Optical Drive 1: DVD±R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 20x / CD-Writer 48x) (LightScribe Edition) Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks Wireless Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections) Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 280 1GB (Includes PhysX Technology) TV Tuner: - No Thanks Sound Card: Razer Barracuda AC-1 (Recommended) Extreme Cooling: Liquid Chilled FrostBite CPU Only Internal Lighting: Blizzard Internal Lighting (Blue Edition) (Cold Cathode Tubes) Modifications: - No Thanks Boost Processor: Yes, Overclock the processor as much as possible with complete stability Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s) Boost Memory: Yes, Overclock memory timings (Includes Memory Fan Kit Installed) Tweak Windows: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system Windows OS: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium (64-Bit Edition) (For Enthusiasts) Restore Kit: Digital Storm Specialized Recovery System (DVD Image Based) Protection: - No Thanks Office: - No Thanks Benchmarking: - No Thanks Install/Test Game: - No Thanks LCD Display: Samsung 24 inch (Widescreen) (Black) (High-Performance Gaming Display) Surge Shield: - No Thanks Speakers: - No Thanks Keyboard: - No Thanks Mouse: - No Thanks External Storage: - No Thanks Warranty: 3 Year Platinum Care Extended Parts & Labor Warranty |
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DST4ME
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Posted: 07 Oct 2008 at 11:33pm |
jtspectra2 the current pc you use to do your editing, how much does it have?
btw incase you missed it, I made 2 builds for you right before this post Edited by DST4ME - 07 Oct 2008 at 11:34pm |
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jtspectra2
Senior Member Joined: 07 Oct 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 840 |
Posted: 07 Oct 2008 at 11:40pm |
dude . YOU ARE THE MAN!. that first one looks pretty sexy. in fact they both do. but the first one is right up my ally . THANKS !
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jtspectra2
Senior Member Joined: 07 Oct 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 840 |
Posted: 07 Oct 2008 at 11:41pm |
Ya i saw those. thanks. anways the current computer that i use is a crappy laptop due to my deskops mobo goin and me being left with this. but it did have 4 gigs of ram, and it worked just fine. but i could only imagine if i had 8 Edited by jtspectra2 - 07 Oct 2008 at 11:42pm |
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DST4ME
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Posted: 07 Oct 2008 at 11:42pm |
my pleasure, just notice the difference basically is the graphic cards (gpu).
the first one has 2 gpu and the second one has 1 gpu. since the second one has only 1 gpu, you don't need 100w psu so that was lowered also. so if you need graphic power, you can use the first one. if your current system is not freezing on you then 4GB of ram is what you want not 8 make sure you are not thinking that more ram = more speed, cause it does not. if you were fine with 4GB then you won't notice any difference with 8GB, specially with vista 64bit that can see your totall of over 5GB of ram (my first config) Edited by DST4ME - 07 Oct 2008 at 11:44pm |
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jtspectra2
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Posted: 07 Oct 2008 at 11:51pm |
ok gotcha. so im probably going to go with the first build that you made. since this is my first time ordering from DS i have a couple questions since you seem to have experiance with DS.
Iv never had dual GPU before. Will the computer come with both of them running or just one ? Does it matter which Card i plug my Display into ? How is the wiring in the case ? neat? good airflow ? The cooling option that you selected on the build , what kind of maintenece does that require ? if any. im sure i have more questions but i cant think of them right now . lol thanks man |
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DST4ME
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Posted: 07 Oct 2008 at 11:58pm |
Click images to enlarge jtspectra2, look at those pics^^^ you will see the quality of work, also that is an HAF case with CPU liquid cooling so that is what you sysem looks like. liquid cooling maintenance: check liquid levels once a month (you can add liquid from the outside front in the HAF) change liquid once every 5 years below I have included another pic of HAF, half way thru you will see where you can add liquid from the outside yes pc will come with both gpu installed, you can ask them when ordering how you want your 2 gpu setup, sli or not. Edited by DST4ME - 08 Oct 2008 at 12:18am |
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jtspectra2
Senior Member Joined: 07 Oct 2008 Online Status: Offline Posts: 840 |
Posted: 08 Oct 2008 at 12:23am |
dude it looks so sick. if thats what im gunna get from DS then im sold. it looks incredible . i cant wait to place my order.
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DST4ME
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Posted: 08 Oct 2008 at 12:33am |
you can't wait? I can't wait to get mine, that thing is sick
ya the 8 pics above is almost the same setup as yours, the GPU is different but most is the same. the light in that one is blue, remember you have different colors your can chose there (blue, red or green) I'm thinking green my self not sure yet. I love how clean their work is Edited by DST4ME - 08 Oct 2008 at 12:34am |
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jtspectra2
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Posted: 08 Oct 2008 at 12:52am |
ill probably go red since the front fan has a red light on it . thats not ur system ? i thought it was and that you already had one. either way. it looks sick. what specs did you order on yours and how long ago did you order it ?
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DST4ME
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Posted: 08 Oct 2008 at 1:10am |
I'm waiting for Nehalem to come out to order my system,I have been waiting a year for it.
the pic for that system is from another post here from one of DS's customer. when I order I'm getting lot of things you are, 4gb of ram, velociraptor for HDD1 and 500GB for HDD2 (HDD1 is for OS and apps, hdd2 is for media/personal/work files) liquid cooled CPU, thinking about liquid cooled GPU also since I'm gonna OC mine, so they fold faster. probably go with 3 GPU. unless something new and better then HAF comes along, I'm getting the HAF, vista 64bit premium, highest CPU available. Edited by DST4ME - 08 Oct 2008 at 1:11am |
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jtspectra2
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Posted: 08 Oct 2008 at 1:57am |
is Nehalem intels new chip ? how much better will that be then the quad core ? any idea on a release date ? should i wait for that or just stick with what i got configed?
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Lawdog
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Posted: 08 Oct 2008 at 3:18am |
Just a heads up for you JT....the fill port for the liquid cooling isn't going to serve you. You'll have to open the case to add any fluid. In the pictures shown earlier in the thread (picture number 2 I believe) you can see the resevoir is mounted in the drive bays not up where that nifty little spout on top is....just so you aren't expecting something else. To be sure you can ask when you order. Edited by Lawdog - 08 Oct 2008 at 3:20am |
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DST4ME
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Posted: 08 Oct 2008 at 4:40am |
I think it will work, but to be sure ask as LD says, but I'm pretty sure you can do it.
nehalem is gonna be the first true quad core, for gamers, they may not see much gain, not sure yet on that one but for anything else other then game, multitasking heavy duty computing its great. Obviously I think its worth waiting for which is why I'm waiting for it. Edited by DST4ME - 08 Oct 2008 at 7:12am |
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jtspectra2
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Posted: 08 Oct 2008 at 12:27pm |
Then whats the point of the fill thing if i cant even use it ? should i not even bother getting liquid cooling and just not oc my processor or what ? |
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Lawdog
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Posted: 08 Oct 2008 at 3:16pm |
I still think it's worth liquid cooling and it's not all that hard to open up your case to check fluid levels once a month and add at that time. There could be a lot of reasons why the fill port wouldn't be used....although you'd have to inquire with DSO about whether or not it could be set up to use the fill port. If it can it may require parts for the liquid cooling that DSO doesn't regularly stock. My advice is to call DSO and ask questions about it before ordering. I personally think the fill port on the HAF 932 while might be nice to be able to use is in no way a deal breaker as far as considering liquid cooling.
As far as the overclock....up to you if it's worth it. My view on it is that it is well worth $45 to "upgrade" my CPU to a higher clock speed under complete warranty.
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DST4ME
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Posted: 08 Oct 2008 at 4:11pm |
jtspectra2, you can use it, You misunderstood what law was saying, he is saying you may not be able to add liquid from outside, you may have to add liquid when needed from the inside like other cases. he is not saying anything about the usage of liquid cooling. hope that clears it up. without liquid cooling you can't get the oc speeds and the oc is giving you speeds of a much higher cost system for the price you are paying so its a bargin. If there was no use for it, I would not ask you to get it boss Edited by DST4ME - 08 Oct 2008 at 4:13pm |
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jtspectra2
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Posted: 08 Oct 2008 at 8:44pm |
No i completely understood what he was saying, im just saying . whats the point of offering a case that offers a quick fill on the outside and then not utilize it. not to big a deal, was just curious. i was told by Kelly from DS that the liquid cooling would not be required to OC my CPU , just that i have at least stage 3 air cooling. I may go with that instead. still debating.
another question i have is. will i be able to use all my programs, printer, and other peripherals with windows 64 bit, or am i better off getting 32 until 64 becomes more effeciant? Please elaborate. thanks |
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jtspectra2
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Posted: 08 Oct 2008 at 11:35pm |
im sure he meant well when he told me to go with air cooling.i mentioned to him that i wasnt sure that i would be consistant on checking levels on my coolent and what not, so i think he was looking into air cooling in my best interest.. either way there is going to be fans in my tower that will make noise. on how loud stage 3 is i will have to ask. as for 32 bit vista vs 64 . how much would i be missing out on if i opted for the 32 bit version. i'm not to concerned on what DS offeres to their customers as far as ram. im pretty set on just getting 4 GB, and in time if i feel the need to upgrade i will move to 8.
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DST4ME
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Posted: 08 Oct 2008 at 11:57pm |
32bit will not see all your total ram so in a way your throwing your money away if you don't go with 64bit.
with liquid cooling you do have fans but its not that simple, stage 3 cooling you have to raise your fan speed to get proper cooling, higher speeds = higher noise. liquid cooling system fans, run at low speeds cause teh main cooling is being done with the liquid system. one of the biggest advantages of liquid cooling is how quiet it is as for how loud it is, ask one of our members david, he will tell you :
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Tyler Lowe
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Posted: 09 Oct 2008 at 12:11am |
Jtspectra, the best thing to do, is to call DSO and ask to speak with Kelly again. Direct his attntion to this thread so he can adress properly any concerns you might have. Kelly knows a tremendous amount about computers and is very good at putting together components that will fill the needs of a customer based on customer input. There were probably things that came up in your conversation that you may not even recall right now that lead him to recomend the things he did. Ask him about any remaining concerns you still have. Kelly helped me with my build, even held my hand (well, not literally, but close enough) through the process of getting my backordered chasis. Of the people advising you, one is a paid professional with an Nvidia SLI rig of the month build under his belt and years of experience overclocking. The rest are future and former customers that mean well, but have varying degrees of experience.
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DST4ME
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Posted: 09 Oct 2008 at 12:39am |
You know what, you don't need to work at DS to know what you want, and I know what I'm doing, and the system Kelly would design for me, is far from what I would design myself. so I would be very careful leaving my best interest at the hands of others, specially when they work at the same place, this is a rule everybody should use for any business they are dealing with not that I'm saying kelly will mislead or DS will mislead, I'm just saying every business has to run by business rules and every now and then this interferes with the customers best interest. We can call and talk to 3 different CS at DS and we will get 3 different builds recommendation. to suggest that we the customers don't know any better is just pure disrespect to everyone of us and in cases of some of us, its not true.
if you do talk to Kelly write back what he said, give me a chance to tell you what I think and why, then decide for yourself. TL, Kelly keeps recommending to people to get 8GB of ram, you said that this will hurt the OC speed of the system, which one of you is wrong? I also was not aware that if you don't work for DS, the liquid cooling will work differently or HDD will spin faster, maybe the processor will oc higher if you work for DS. What does working at DS have to do with knowing what you want in your system? we already have the components that we can use here, and we all know what goes with what, I'm not sure how working at DS will help anybody choose liquid cooling any differently then me, you or anybody else that knows what they are talking about, you make the guy think its rocket science. Kelly's real expertise would come in when you are actually building the system and/or using parts not listed here and you don't know what mombo will work with what GPU and or which liquid system is best for what case/system and such. or perhaps when things go wrong, I have no doubt when it comes to building a pc kelly is the man but to suggest that nobody else can figure out which one of the parts DS offers to get, is wrong, just wrong. here all of that is figured out, the nvidia mombos work withe nvidia, out of those the 790i has potential for higher ocs but the board itself seems to be not stable. the asus mombos we have here will work with ATI cards. and so on and so forth. So 1. I don't appreciate you trying to say kelly can config a system better then anybody else that knows what they are talking about, cause that is pure BS. I have no doubt that kelly can build a system like no other. but deciding what goes with what, I'm sure kelly is man enough to tell you himself, that anybody that knows what they are talking about an do that. 2. I don't appreciate you trying to indirectly discredit my advise by trying to apply that kelly can do a better job then me, that not a fact, thats your opinion, and when it comes to DS systems I challenge your opinion. when it comes to putting the actual system together I'm sure kelly can do a better job but when it comes to config here at DS, to suggest that kelly knows better then anybody else is just pure BS, he will tell you that himself. I really don't appreciate you discrediting me and my time I devote to helping others as something as a waste of time to this person or anybody else. I'm spending my time helping people here and you are spending your time discrediting my good/valuable help. thanks, its says alot about you. Edited by DST4ME - 09 Oct 2008 at 4:37am |
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