Soundcards vs onboard performancePost Date: 2013-06-27 |
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Bucko
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Topic: Soundcards vs onboard performancePosted: 27 Jun 2013 at 11:00am |
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Most of the time when I see discussions of onboard-vs-dedicated sound performance differences, the threads are a few years old.
Anyone have any links to benchmarks or real world experience comparing with or without dedicated soundcard, using a modern CPU and mobo combination? I know the general consensus tends to be not worth the cost of the card but I'm looking for benchmarks with conclusive numbers running games versus synthetic benchmarks that don't utilize sound the way a game would. |
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tju76
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Posted: 27 Jun 2013 at 11:15am |
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Deff worth the cost if you have nice set of headphones etc
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Bucko
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Posted: 27 Jun 2013 at 1:36pm |
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Thanks, but what I'm really after here is to understand how it affects things like framerate (sorry but my first message wasn't too specific about what I meant by performance).
In other words I want to understand the CPU hit from the onboard solution, not really comparing how one sounds vs the other. |
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Nerek387
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Posted: 27 Jun 2013 at 2:06pm |
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Very little I'm assuming. I ordered a creative soundcard with my new system, onboard is eh.
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Bucko
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Posted: 27 Jun 2013 at 2:14pm |
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I know the difference will be little overall but that's a subjective measure. I'm looking for hard numbers; benchmarks with real data showing whether its 2%, 5%, 10% etc for a given setup.
The problem with subjective measures is that 10% might be insignificant to one person and be monumental to someone else. So you never know what very little means to that individual. Lots of people invest in expensive cooling solutions just to overclock to get another 10%, where other people aren't that interested in an extra 10%. Hope it makes sense what I'm looking for here;really not trying to be difficult but looking for raw data. Edited by Bucko - 27 Jun 2013 at 2:17pm |
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bprat22
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Posted: 27 Jun 2013 at 2:51pm |
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I personally have never seen hard numbers, comparing a sound card vs integrated sound and its cpu impact. I guess extensive Google searching is needed to try to find the benches you want. Not sure its even been done because of its minimal impact.
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Onkel_Ken
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Posted: 27 Jun 2013 at 5:33pm |
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I have a nice sound card that is shown in my sig. It provides excellent sound especially with my Sennheiser headphones. I like having the extra front panel access with real volume controls. The audio is fantastic and increases the believability of the virtual experience.
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Tidgxor
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Posted: 27 Jun 2013 at 5:43pm |
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Like bprat22, I have not seen hard numbers, not since around 1995 or 1996 or so. Back then, with single core larger nm CPUs, integrated sound cards would reduce the clock cycle by ~5% dependent upon the bit rate of the sound. So approximately 5 out of every 100 cycles would be spent on sound, rather than other calculations. The on-board sound (for the few motherboards that had them) was generally of lower quality, far more so than today's onboard, so most opted for the dedicated in other to get better, more fluid Hertz patterns, etc. It wasn't really a performance issue, even for a single core.
So, in today's world of smaller nm, multi-core, layered cycle CPUs, integrated sound is an inconsequential speck in a clock cycle. I really think that in order to tell the difference, in say, a game, you would need to analyze the FPS at a level in the realm of 1/10th a frame or less. Of course this is conjecture, but I can say from personal experience with an older Core 2 Duo desktop I had, that removing the dedicated soundcard made no difference, not a single point, in benchmarks. The best way to think of it, is that modern CPUs are rarely used at 100%. The only way that onboard sound would reduce performance would be if the CPU was at 100% and then needed to allocate resources to something beyond that 100%. But, a thorough Google search might reveal the differences in hard data you desire, but someone would need to be testing for that specifically, as it would be hard to control based on the small differences. Just be wary of the multitudes of people who claim to have gotten "x%" performance increases by buying XYZ soundcard, I have personally never seen anyone substantiate these claims, and I generally believe them to be buyer's justification, and observation bias. Edited by Tidgxor - 27 Jun 2013 at 5:47pm |
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tju76
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Posted: 27 Jun 2013 at 8:08pm |
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I can almost guarantee their is no impact at all
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Bucko
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Posted: 27 Jun 2013 at 9:08pm |
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I have an extra Creative X-Fi (I can't remember which model specifically, would have to check) that I took out of another system. When my new system gets here, after I get some of the more important things out of the way I might drop the card in and disable the on-board to see if I can detect a difference. This all assumes Windows 8 properly supports the card since its coming out of a Windows 7 box.
I am trying to think of a good test to run with it. Something that utilizes audio during the benchmark (most of the ones like 3DMark don't utilize sound). About the only test that comes to mind might be the FarCry2 benchmark tool. Anyone have any other ideas on an easy-to-run benchmark? Edited by Bucko - 27 Jun 2013 at 9:09pm |
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Onkel_Ken
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Posted: 02 Jul 2013 at 4:13pm |
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I got the fancy sound card for the front panel access and control as well as the potential for outstanding sound. I didn't really think about the SC as regards improving frame rate or reducing CPU cycles. I like playing with the sound card features when I am not gaming. I guess I am somewhat surprised that more people don't get the fancy sound cards. Maybe they don't make that big of a difference but I sure like mine and how it sounds.
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