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RIDICULOUS ? , AWESOME  ?, DOES ANYONE NEED SUCH A THING ?  ANY PRACTICAL FEEDBACK WOULD BE APPRECIATED, ABOUT TO HAVE MY DREAM SYSTEM BUILT .
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First off, welcome to the forums, second, let us see your config so that you get most power for your money, third raid ssd is great (if its intel IMHO), but what is the use for the pc? in gaming loading will be faster then a single ssd but thats about it, (of course os loading and file transfer speeds are great/amazing), but in gaming a single ssd will do.

So what is the use of the pc? and tell us your build, budget and resolution if its for gaming.
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  Quote GLENN2525 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Feb 2011 at 8:07am
and thank you very much for the welcome ; its primarily a gaming rig , building from scratch in my head right now, going to spend about 3000 , no more than 3500 , i play WOW and some fps type games , looking for future proofing , the only real questions i have concern hard drives . i have a raid 0 on my current rig and want at least that kinda speed or better . just ordinary drives, no raptors , though i am considering those, and then there are the hybrid drives , but they have their own software for their functionality , do they mate well in raid 0 ?  i don't know .  i can afford a couple  ssd 80's , so im thinking raid 0 , why not ? :)
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Feb 2011 at 8:14am
A ssd will be faster then raid regular hdds, the seektime and 4k file size speeds are not even gonna be comparable.

raid 80GB, if you like it and are familiar with raid then go for it.

what res you gaming at? it does not hurt to run by us what you are thinking about.

worst case senario we give you some recommendations, which you are not obligated to follow.

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im using the ASSASSIN stage three as a starting point and have been tweaking a few things to get the the most for what i need , mostly adding to , like killer 2100 and soundblaster ... but then im hearing a lot of negativity about the case and not a good case for water cool , except maybe the HP70 from corsair , if thats the right name for it .which is kinda noisy by most accounts , so now i might  need a case also , 
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Feb 2011 at 8:18am
See I'm glad we talked, the killer 2100 is waste of your money, will not offer you anything you will notice.

what res you want to game at? I will not know what kinda gpu power you need without knowing the res.

the best future proofing, is to get only what you need now, and then upgrade to a future gpu when you need it, no matter what you go with now, its not gonna be future proof, it won't support future dx, and vram wise it could fall short.
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  Quote GLENN2525 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Feb 2011 at 8:18am
24 in.HD LED monitor max rez , will probably run a cable to my 55" vizio 1080p also.
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Feb 2011 at 8:21am
Gotcha, for some reason right now the configarator is not working, so I can't config yet.

so you want LC on cpu, or do you want LC on gpu also? it not needed, so don't feel like you have to get it, but if you like it I can show you builds with LC on cpu/gpu and a build on air.
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  Quote GLENN2525 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Feb 2011 at 8:22am
ive heard nothing but good things about the killer cards for playing warcraft , tech tests and player comment , significant latency reduction . if you ever played it much , its an issue
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  Quote GLENN2525 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Feb 2011 at 8:28am
just cpu ,   cost goes up rapidly for anything else ... my gaming room is a converted washer /dryer area in an apartment ,  it gets warm in here quickly , not much circulation . so heat is a concern . i just put a nice zahlman heatsink on my current rig and opened a vent on top of it by removing a disfunctional usb / headphone thingamajig and its working great now, even when girlfriend cranks up the  heater to blastfurnace       its running a pentium d 3.0 and an nvidia 8600
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Feb 2011 at 8:29am
Take a look around here and you will see everybody that has one or used one (killer card), will tell you its a waste, you gain a few pings but nothing that amounts to anything, the things that will make a good difference are your isp speeds, the server distance and that servers speeds.

Again its just some info, at this forum I know who I'm taking to and those people's knowledge of how things work, I can't tell you how many-times I read BS info passed on by people that don't know what they are talking about themselves, so take what you read in other forums with a grains of salt.

at the end if you like it, you like it, but search the forum and see what others are saying about it too, others that have it.

ok gotcha, LC on cpu only, ok, waiting for the configurator to load so I can give you some ideas.

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i guess future proofing goes to the motherboard as technology allows , ... i generally just read tech reviews when im researching something .... but anyway ,duly (sp?) noted about the killer card ... hmmm  other questions ?    over clocking ram ?  upgrade to ram 2000 ?  high tech air cooling , will it be enough ?  asetek LC with  240 radiator ?  performance fans make that big a difference ? thanks for your attention ,  and im mesmerized by your pretty pictures , must have lights
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Feb 2011 at 8:56am
you won't notice higher rams speeds in games, the cpu and gpu will give you the fps you need so anything from ram will go unnoticed, for stage 1 oc all you need is the 1600MHz DS ram, for psu tho you want to go corsair.

asetek is not real LC system, as in it will not give you performance of a read LC system, Noctua will give you the same performance and its quiet too, will a longer better track record, the corsair air cooler does great also but is a bit more noisy.

upgraded fans here are loud, when I give you a test build I will go over what the case has and fan upgrades are a good idea for the case, most of cpu cooling comes from the cpu cooler and most of gpu cooling comes from the gpu's fans, but good air flow in a case will help some with gpu fan, if the airflow is not good enough.

LOL thank you, ya I love lights, to be honest it was suppose to have neon colors inside/on mobo/cable connectors/psu and etc, but the neon paint did not turnout great, so I guess you could say this is the tone down version
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OK now just to get a better idea of the picture in your head, tell me what you think about this one:

Here you go Ticket# 487681 --- $3056 (To see this build click here)

Copy of Specifications:
Chassis Model: Special Deal Hot Seller - Cooler Master 942 HAF X
Exterior Finish: - Standard Factory Finish
Trim Accents: - Standard Factory Finish
Processor: Intel Core i7 2600K 3.40GHz (Unlocked CPU for Extreme Overclocking) (Quad Core)
Motherboard: ASUS P8P67 Deluxe (Intel P67 Chipset) (Features USB 3.0 and SATA 6Gb/s)
System Memory: 8GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly Recommended) (Hand Tested)
Power Supply: 1000W Corsair (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible)
Expansion Bay: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 1: Operating System: 2x (80GB Solid State (By: Intel) (Model: X25-M MLC Edition) (Extreme Performance)
Set 1 Raid Options: - No Thanks
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 1x (1TB Western Digital Caviar (7200 RPM) (64MB Cache) (Model: Black Edition WD1002FAEX)
Hard Drive Set 3: Backup\Misc.: - No Thanks
Optical Drive 1: DVD-R/RW/CD-R/RW (DVD Writer 24x / CD-Writer 48x)
Optical Drive 2: - No Thanks
Internet Access: High Speed Network Port (Supports High-Speed Cable / DSL / Network Connections)
Video Card: 1x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 1.2GB (Includes PhysX Technology)
Add-on Card: - No Thanks
Sound Card: Integrated Motherboard Audio
Extreme Cooling: H20: Stage 4: Sub-Zero LCS Cooling System: CPU Only
H20 Tube Color:Red Tubing with High-Performance Fluid (UV Lighting Reactive)
Chassis Airflow: Standard Factory Chassis Fans
Internal Lighting: Internal Chassis Lighting System (UV) (Creates Glowing Effect for H20 Tubes)
Enhancements: - No Thanks
Chassis Mods: - No Thanks
Noise Reduction: - No Thanks
Boost Processor: FREE: Overclock the processor between 3.6GHz to 3.9GHz
Boost Video Card: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my video card(s)
Boost Memory: - No Thanks, Please do not overclock my memory
Boost OS: - No Thanks, Please do not tweak the services on the operating system
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium (64-Bit Edition)
Recovery Tools: Windows Recovery Toolkit (Bundled with Windows 7 CD)
Virus Protection: - No Thanks
Office: - No Thanks
Benchmarking: - No Thanks
Install/Test Game: - No Thanks
Display: - No Thanks
Surge Shield: - No Thanks
Speakers: - No Thanks
Keyboard: - No Thanks
Mouse: - No Thanks
External Storage: - No Thanks
Exclusive T-Shirt: - No Thanks
Priority Build: - No Thanks, Ship Within 5-15 Business Days After Order Is Successfully Processed
Warranty: Life-time Expert Customer Care with 3 Year Limited Warranty



Now this system is build to support sli 570, so you can drop a second one in if you see you need gpu power, for MMO games you won't, sli won't help much with those anyways.

the haf x has 3 x 200mm fans with room to add another to the top, for a total of 4 x 200mm fans, for plenty of airflow and room to work in, we can also make all 4 fans to be led red or blue if you like, stock the front fan is the only led and its red.

the HDD setup is suppose to be like this:

HDD1 = fast small drive: os/apps/games

HDD2 = regular large drive: media/personal/work file storage

the 1TB black caviar is a very fast drive, some of its transfer speeds are faster then the veloci.
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hey thanks for squeezing in the LC at budget , thats about what im looking for ; just have to make a tweak or two , girlfriend needs blueray she loves hanging out in the pc room and its also our sound system for the home, etc.  thanks again  you have been more than helpful      Big%20Smile
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I had raid 0 on my last system.  Then 3 years into the system Warhammer online(computer game) gave me a bluescreen of death.   Some reason the raid controll didnt like this bluescreen and both HD gone.   I lost all the data on the HD drives and reinstalled everything this time not as raid 0.
 
I dont think RAID 0 for home use SSD or HD is worth the tiny bit of speed increase considering the chance for double the fail.  I actually consider it triple the fail, as each HD could fail and the RAID control can fail.
 
I cant see the speed increase worth the hassle for me.  
 
 
 
 
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Don't keep anything important on the RAID 0 and then the small extra chance of data loss stops mattering.
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Feb 2011 at 2:47pm
Clone your raid to a single hdd and you can always restore from it, clone, twice a week and you won't lose much if any.

you can follow my clone guide here
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My pleasure and You're welcome

the non led fan you would want to add is here, let me know if you want the led version:

haf 200mm non led fan

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there is always the chance , but ive ran raid 0 on my current system which i upgraded one time,  flawless for 6 years ,  now my backup drive where i kept stuff i didnt want to lose , just stopped working the other day , lol , so.... ya never know....  the load speeds and startups , im spoiled now .  ssd raid 0 , just wanna know  how quick a pc can be . 
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Feb 2011 at 3:09pm
Some people here have three or four intel ssd in raid, now that is major speeds.

Be sure to go with intel for ssd.
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haf 200mm fan , got a product not found from the link , and light it up :)       i will look at the cloning ... ive had to reload my os more than a few times for various reasons, its never really a bother to me,  its a chance to clean out the junk and start fresh . just like a brand new pc that way .
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  Quote GLENN2525 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Feb 2011 at 3:15pm
will do on the intel ssd, i saw the benchmarks from a variety of manufacturers , crazy variance in performance . intel way ahead of the pack .
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  Quote DST4ME Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 18 Feb 2011 at 3:28pm
If you keep pc clean, there is not real junk or anything that will matter.

simple use of ccleaner and making sure you delete regkeys and files left over after an uninstall is all you need.

I rarely ever do a fresh install and will put my os's speed against a fresh install any day, personaly I hate having to reinstall all my apps and make the settings and etc, but thats just me.


they keep moving the fan's page, check the link again it should work.


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will do , thanks ,    i use uniblue registry booster, been trouble free .
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IF you are not using CCleaner, then start, it cleans your pc's temp folders/files and any other directory you ask it to clean, it also clean app's left over files also, like browser history and etc.

It has a build in uninstaller you can use to unistall apps, it has a section were you can edit the apps that startup with the pc, and it has a registry cleaner, but I always say leave your registry alone unless you are getting errors from it, all it takes is one time for the app to mess-up and one could be left having to reinstall OS, but ya use ccleaner and let it clean all those files.
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I USE EVIDENCE ELIMINATOR FOR THOSE TYPE THINGS , BUT THE APP EDITOR WOULD BE NICE , I WILL CHECK IT OUT . I ALSO HAVE HACKTHIS , BUT ITS HARD TO INTERPRET . MY TECH GUY GAVE IT TO ME , ITS EASY TO TELL IF YOU HAVE GARBAGE BUILDUP , DOING SOMETHING ABOUT IT NOT SO EASY , YOU NEED TO GIVE FILE TO THE FORUMS AND HOPE THEY KNOW WHATS WHAT.
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SHOULD BE PUTTING IN MY ORDER BY MIDWEEK ,  STARTING TO GET EXCITED .  YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN GREAT , Wink
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congrats....be sure to post build specs and pics when you receive your system...........once you click submit the torture starts...
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Glenn there are other ways to read hijackthis, if you know whats what.


I hope you don't think EVIDENCE ELIMINATOR really makes it impossible to retrieve those files, there are only a couple of ways to really do that.

Hope everything goes your way but remember you gonna be waiting or the mobo fix till march/april.

Our pleasure and good luck
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 waiting " mobo fix "  means what ?       ..also , not trying to hid anything its just a good cleaner .  out of curiosity , how do you delete a file , since you say overwriting it 7 times in gibberish wont do it ... any links to hijackthis interpretations would be interesting to read . i can tell what most of it is, but there are many mysterious lines that come up on it that i cant find a link for interpreting or finding an app association.
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  Quote GLENN2525 Quote  Post ReplyReply bullet Posted: 20 Feb 2011 at 10:50am
ahhh , found it , Mason@ASUS says they have the fix and it should be posted in a day or two , thanks for headsup .

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The mobo fix is not due out till march/april here, so I'm not sure who mason is, but its got nothing to do with here, its not something you post, the sata 2.0 on all the sb mobos are faulty, and the fixed mobos will be here on march/april.

There is not link for me to give for hijackthis, as I interpret it myself.

To make files unrecoverable, put hdd in teh oven, lol, or you need to zero out the sectors in the drive, or defrag few times a day for 3 months.
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very funny !  Big%20Smile        what kind of issue is it with the  MB then , practically speaking , and you still recommend getting one ?  the issue they were talking about was a double post from a cold startup . not exactly clear on that btw , as to the cause or effect . 
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Forget cold startup, thats no issue, the issue is listed here have a read and let me know if you need me to explain further, in short the sata 2.0 ports go bad after a while, and basically you are left with 4 sata ports, out of 8 or 10, ne mobo is needed to fix issue, the new ones arrive here march/april.

read about it here
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